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Post by materialization on Mar 5, 2020 9:04:48 GMT -5
In game under: Training -> Swing Basics -> Step 2 Every golf game that has adopted a "pull back/push forward" mechanic for swinging (rather than a 2 or 3-click swing) has always intended you to swing as straight as possible. The more off-center your swing is, the more your accuracy suffers as a result. This is representative of real golf (either having too shallow or wide of a backswing, or having the clubface turned inward/outward on impact). That game brings back the nostagia happy memories.
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Post by rob4590 on Mar 5, 2020 9:07:37 GMT -5
Just posting so this thread pops up in my notifications.
So it's slightly on topic - good job Doyley, Jeff and Tim in doing this.
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Post by alternateplace on Mar 5, 2020 10:02:13 GMT -5
Nice to see something being done to improve the competition on the tour... It's already tough enough to compete with no practice rounds due to time constraints and "life". Thank you!!!
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Post by mde8965 on Mar 5, 2020 11:00:08 GMT -5
Not that I matter as and the end of last season I got tired of the shitshow that is TGC19 and quit playing the tour events until they hopefully release a new game that will correct the supposed exploits and not result in having to police so much. I still play but just for my own enjoyment. This new exploit problem is new to me though. I haven’t been paying attention. I will say though that if I’m on a par 5 and am on the fringe distance wise to make the green in 2 over some obstacle or hazard I will aim slight right and purposely swing way off to the right and purposely get fast or VF down swing to get a few yards extra distance. If that is part of the exploit, well I wouldn’t change that if I was playing the Tour events.
I’m happy TGCT is trying to compensate for some of the bad code inherent in this version of the game. But at the same time it might be fracturing the community. Totally the game makers fault. Not TGCT.
Problem is there will likely be just as much of not more problems or different problems with the next game, causing folks to have to change playing style again to not be labeled an “exploiter”.
Funny how in TGC1 nobody was lighting up the boards with exploit discussions. Yes there was outright cheating discussions. But if it wasn’t forbidden in the rules it was fair game. And there were tons of exploits in TGC1. So if you wanted to compete with the best, you too better learn what they are and master them. Heck there were many threads by those that had mastered tricks (now called exploits) helping less experienced players to use them. (Fully lofted irons, fully de-lofted chip ins and playing for chips just to name 2 of like 10 that were actually coding issues the make those shots artificially easy and helpful)
I guess what I’m saying is I wish things were still that way. You want to be up on the PGA leaderboard, better master the short swing and the crooked swing “tricks” as well as learning to putt your butt off. It made for a much less fractured community and more threads discussing courses and play and less threads with the same folks calling out others for using unfair advantages. Not that the people calling out others are necessarily wrong but it does get old.
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Theopen
Weekend Golfer
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TGCT Name: Brian Ayers
Tour: Beer League
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Post by Theopen on Mar 5, 2020 14:41:48 GMT -5
Personally, I don't see it as fracturing a community ... more like shining a light in the shadows and seeing what scurries away. Luckily, these people are the minority, yet dominate the top of the leaderboard each and every week. So, if anyone is toxic around here, it's those that are willing (and apparently proud) to use those exploits.
Look ... this is golf. It is a game built around rules intended to ensure fair play. You're not even allowed to disturb the grass around your ball or jostle a leaf as it could be seen as trying to gain an unfair advantage. You're allowed to do some pretty morally questionable crap in games like Fortnite, Pubg, etc. Camping is generally frowned upon in most FPS, but there's no rule against it. It's a viable strategy in a game where killing and not dying is the key objective. But, again, this is golf, and I'm glad this site has decided to model itself after the sportsmanship inherent to it.
A serious idea .... perhaps TGCT should make a "No API" tour. If winning at all costs is all these people care about, then let them fight it out on their own ladder.
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dg727272
Weekend Golfer
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TGCT Name: David Guest
Tour: PGA
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Post by dg727272 on Mar 5, 2020 14:58:39 GMT -5
perhaps TGCT should make a "No API" tour. If winning at all costs is all these people care about, then let them fight it out on their own ladder. The Red Dead Golf Tour I like it!
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Post by fadgewacker on Mar 5, 2020 17:19:20 GMT -5
The Patrick Reed Tour
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Post by fadgewacker on Mar 5, 2020 17:25:52 GMT -5
Personally, I don't see it as fracturing a community ... more like shining a light in the shadows and seeing what scurries away. Luckily, these people are the minority, yet dominate the top of the leaderboard each and every week. So, if anyone is toxic around here, it's those that are willing (and apparently proud) to use those exploits. Look ... this is golf. It is a game built around rules intended to ensure fair play. You're not even allowed to disturb the grass around your ball or jostle a leaf as it could be seen as trying to gain an unfair advantage. You're allowed to do some pretty morally questionable crap in games like Fortnite, Pubg, etc. Camping is generally frowned upon in most FPS, but there's no rule against it. It's a viable strategy in a game where killing and not dying is the key objective. But, again, this is golf, and I'm glad this site has decided to model itself after the sportsmanship inherent to it. A serious idea .... perhaps TGCT should make a "No API" tour. If winning at all costs is all these people care about, then let them fight it out on their own ladder. Well said. Some of the responses to this whole situation over the last week make me question whether a lot of folk around here have ever played golf, properly, in their lives. Not that it is a prerequisite to being good at or even playing video game golf, but the morals on show here make me doubt they’ve ever truly been involved. If they have, then I’m damn glad they’re not in my 4 ball / card school / round. Some rather telling support in the thread for the post that sides with “anything should go”... 🙄
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Theopen
Weekend Golfer
Posts: 143
TGCT Name: Brian Ayers
Tour: Beer League
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Post by Theopen on Mar 5, 2020 17:57:52 GMT -5
I was seriously trying to remember his name without looking it up as it was the first thing that popped in my head (Ryder Cup, anyone?) ... but you nailed it!
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Post by unclevirt on Mar 5, 2020 18:03:06 GMT -5
Well said. Some of the responses to this whole situation over the last week make me question whether a lot of folk around here have ever played golf, properly, in their lives. Not that it is a prerequisite to being good at or even playing video game golf, but the morals on show here make me doubt they’ve ever truly been involved. If they have, then I’m damn glad they’re not in my 4 ball / card school / round. Some rather telling support in the thread for the post that sides with “anything should go”... 🙄 Hey Fadge, I'm turning over a new leaf and trying to engage in civil debate. I feel personally attacked because I think I'm one of the people that you are talking about and that's okay. I played 4 years of collegiate golf and am still the biggest advocate for adhering to the rules set by the USGA. In this game, you can get really close to the top without ever learning a rule. You can't do that in real golf. You don't just go out and play by yourself and end up on the pga tour. In this game, you can push/pull/flick/slow backswing change your settings before you ever realize you are doing something wrong. You could play it for 100's or even 1000's of hours and be the best player in the world and not even know about the tours (wouldn't surprise me if the best player in the world isn't even on this site or playing in the tours). To be clear, I'm not saying all of that stuff should be legal on this site. What I am saying is that it can be hard for someone to change when they've spent a long time doing it the wrong way and some push back comes from that. I just don't think it's completely fair to compare someone's "game morals" to "actual golf morals". I feel a big difference is that some people view this as a real representation of golf (most of the people here) and some people just view it as a video game where you just play the best way you can without actually introducing cheating like scripts, turning off your y-axis sensitivity or even some other cheats where...if you played this guys ghost he'd hit his shots to like 30 feet away but then his ball would always somehow end up 6 inches from the cup...not sure how the last one was achieved. That's all. This has been a good thread Doyley.
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Post by zorbacles on Mar 5, 2020 19:11:20 GMT -5
I like the idea of the no API tour. Would be interesting to see what kind of scores people can get when they can do whatever they want.
Just on this API tho, isn't there already a fairer play rule about being too straight? How can that work side by side with a rule saying you can't be too wonky
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ClassAct147
Weekend Golfer
Unlucky from dawn til dusk
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Tour: Platinum/TST
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Post by ClassAct147 on Mar 5, 2020 19:32:16 GMT -5
You want to be in that sector which lies between laser straight and banana balls. It's not that difficult.
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Post by rcknfrewld on Mar 5, 2020 19:47:59 GMT -5
Well said. Some of the responses to this whole situation over the last week make me question whether a lot of folk around here have ever played golf, properly, in their lives. Not that it is a prerequisite to being good at or even playing video game golf, but the morals on show here make me doubt they’ve ever truly been involved. If they have, then I’m damn glad they’re not in my 4 ball / card school / round. Some rather telling support in the thread for the post that sides with “anything should go”... 🙄 Hey Fadge, I'm turning over a new leaf and trying to engage in civil debate. I feel personally attacked because I think I'm one of the people that you are talking about and that's okay. I played 4 years of collegiate golf and am still the biggest advocate for adhering to the rules set by the USGA. In this game, you can get really close to the top without ever learning a rule. You can't do that in real golf. You don't just go out and play by yourself and end up on the pga tour. In this game, you can push/pull/flick/slow backswing change your settings before you ever realize you are doing something wrong. You could play it for 100's or even 1000's of hours and be the best player in the world and not even know about the tours (wouldn't surprise me if the best player in the world isn't even on this site or playing in the tours). To be clear, I'm not saying all of that stuff should be legal on this site. What I am saying is that it can be hard for someone to change when they've spent a long time doing it the wrong way and some push back comes from that. I just don't think it's completely fair to compare someone's "game morals" to "actual golf morals". I feel a big difference is that some people view this as a real representation of golf (most of the people here) and some people just view it as a video game where you just play the best way you can without actually introducing cheating like scripts, turning off your y-axis sensitivity or even some other cheats where...if you played this guys ghost he'd hit his shots to like 30 feet away but then his ball would always somehow end up 6 inches from the cup...not sure how the last one was achieved. That's all. This has been a good thread Doyley. I tried to be civil once with fadge. It was horrible.
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Post by GW_Hope on Mar 5, 2020 21:05:29 GMT -5
You want to be in that sector which lies between laser straight and banana balls. It's not that difficult. . You can be straight on your display and you API chart would still have lots of variation. It’s picking up faulty equipment, short swings, and scripts. There is no rule against hitting it straight.
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Post by mrohde4 on Mar 5, 2020 21:27:21 GMT -5
Well said. Some of the responses to this whole situation over the last week make me question whether a lot of folk around here have ever played golf, properly, in their lives. Not that it is a prerequisite to being good at or even playing video game golf, but the morals on show here make me doubt they’ve ever truly been involved. If they have, then I’m damn glad they’re not in my 4 ball / card school / round. Some rather telling support in the thread for the post that sides with “anything should go”... 🙄 Hey Fadge, I'm turning over a new leaf and trying to engage in civil debate. I feel personally attacked because I think I'm one of the people that you are talking about and that's okay. I played 4 years of collegiate golf and am still the biggest advocate for adhering to the rules set by the USGA. In this game, you can get really close to the top without ever learning a rule. You can't do that in real golf. You don't just go out and play by yourself and end up on the pga tour. In this game, you can push/pull/flick/slow backswing change your settings before you ever realize you are doing something wrong. You could play it for 100's or even 1000's of hours and be the best player in the world and not even know about the tours (wouldn't surprise me if the best player in the world isn't even on this site or playing in the tours). To be clear, I'm not saying all of that stuff should be legal on this site. What I am saying is that it can be hard for someone to change when they've spent a long time doing it the wrong way and some push back comes from that. I just don't think it's completely fair to compare someone's "game morals" to "actual golf morals". I feel a big difference is that some people view this as a real representation of golf (most of the people here) and some people just view it as a video game where you just play the best way you can without actually introducing cheating like scripts, turning off your y-axis sensitivity or even some other cheats where...if you played this guys ghost he'd hit his shots to like 30 feet away but then his ball would always somehow end up 6 inches from the cup...not sure how the last one was achieved. That's all. This has been a good thread Doyley. You really think it’s possible for someone to change their steam controller settings (eg diminish axis sensitivity) and believe they aren’t doing something against the spirit of fair competition? In a multi-platform single player golf game? Seems like a stretch to me and if true, is really sad.
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