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Post by GW_Hope on Feb 24, 2020 19:04:15 GMT -5
I would but it took me 70 minutes to upload 5 holes which I did post. you dont have to upload....you could stream it on twitch or another platform If I have time I will try to play the Euro event this week. I don’t do live streams either I get too much lag. You would just have to trust me
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Feb 24, 2020 19:08:59 GMT -5
I learned by reading the thread for about 5 minutes that this is far from the point. You should check it out as well before forming an opinion on it. And it took another 5 minutes for me to replicate it consistently. 😂 Slowpoke
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Post by searchingforthegains on Feb 24, 2020 19:09:03 GMT -5
-62 is very good. Even if we all knew how to perfect the push swing, it would probably be near or at the top. Adam is great at the game, at all aspects. The main point that has been made that everyone agrees on (I think) is that the push swing is an advantage. That's it. It's not saying Adam isn't a great golfer, or that any other pushers are great. It's just that it's not a fair playing field because the game is broken. So this challenging others to break the -62 is just silly, as it doesn't prove anything either way. I mean I would prefer to have a straight swing compared to a push swing personally. And many people are claiming they are already shooting insanely better using this swing for the first time so I think asking people for proof on that is very fair and legitimate. Other wise, it is just empty claims
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Feb 24, 2020 19:11:45 GMT -5
Plays for the out of cone miss via aiming reticle method, but doesn’t actually play the miss, it’s always in the “cone” or thereabouts.
I’m not casting judgement either way because I honestly don’t care anymore, but that logic is dumb.
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Post by titan30003 on Feb 24, 2020 19:21:45 GMT -5
-62 is very good. Even if we all knew how to perfect the push swing, it would probably be near or at the top. Adam is great at the game, at all aspects. The main point that has been made that everyone agrees on (I think) is that the push swing is an advantage. That's it. It's not saying Adam isn't a great golfer, or that any other pushers are great. It's just that it's not a fair playing field because the game is broken. So this challenging others to break the -62 is just silly, as it doesn't prove anything either way. I mean I would prefer to have a straight swing compared to a push swing personally. And many people are claiming they are already shooting insanely better using this swing for the first time so I think asking people for proof on that is very fair and legitimate. Other wise, it is just empty claims That's fair. I guess to me it's been demonstrated beyond a reasonable doubt that the push pull swing is less sensitive to input variance, and absurdly so at high lofts. It would be interesting to see how quickly people can learn to take advantage of that, but that's a different question in my mind. Welcome to the forums by the way. This topic seems to be very important to you, do you know Adam?
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Post by searchingforthegains on Feb 24, 2020 19:28:19 GMT -5
I mean I would prefer to have a straight swing compared to a push swing personally. And many people are claiming they are already shooting insanely better using this swing for the first time so I think asking people for proof on that is very fair and legitimate. Other wise, it is just empty claims That's fair. I guess to me it's been demonstrated beyond a reasonable doubt that the push pull swing is less sensitive to input variance, and absurdly so at high lofts. It would be interesting to see how quickly people can learn to take advantage of that, but that's a different question in my mind. Welcome to the forums by the way. This topic seems to be very important to you, do you know Adam? Yeah ive watched his stream since he was on the KFT on Xbox and ive seen his swing improve ie less push misses...basically always in the center line. I've seen him go from shooting -40-45 on the KFT, to now playing well on the PGA and his swing has always been that way and hes improved and practiced it. Also why i dont buy these people saying they can easily recreate his results.
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Post by Brighttail on Feb 24, 2020 19:34:47 GMT -5
-10 first round, which I felt was great after only shooting -3 in the first 9. I hit some really flush shots from 190+ yards that left me tap ins on the back nine. I'm happy with the -10 as Virt, Smooth, and others managed only a shot or two better.
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Post by GW_Hope on Feb 24, 2020 19:44:39 GMT -5
That's fair. I guess to me it's been demonstrated beyond a reasonable doubt that the push pull swing is less sensitive to input variance, and absurdly so at high lofts. It would be interesting to see how quickly people can learn to take advantage of that, but that's a different question in my mind. Welcome to the forums by the way. This topic seems to be very important to you, do you know Adam? Yeah ive watched his stream since he was on the KFT on Xbox and ive seen his swing improve ie less push misses...basically always in the center line. I've seen him go from shooting -40-45 on the KFT, to now playing well on the PGA and his swing has always been that way and hes improved and practiced it. Also why i dont buy these people saying they can easily recreate his results. By the way, for me this has nothing to do with zenz. I don’t even know the man. Go look at my HB post. I posted that in December and knew about since last season when a few other players adopted it and shot up the boards. I never called them out either. Zenz started this by showing the world how to do it.
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Post by searchingforthegains on Feb 24, 2020 19:59:15 GMT -5
Yeah ive watched his stream since he was on the KFT on Xbox and ive seen his swing improve ie less push misses...basically always in the center line. I've seen him go from shooting -40-45 on the KFT, to now playing well on the PGA and his swing has always been that way and hes improved and practiced it. Also why i dont buy these people saying they can easily recreate his results. By the way, for me this has nothing to do with zenz. I don’t even know the man. Go look at my HB post. I posted that in December and knew about since last season when a few other players adopted it and shot up the boards. I never called them out either. Zenz started this by showing the world how to do it. You cant say it has nothing to do with him when you basically implied earlier people who play a swing like that have no integrity. You may not like the swing mechanics of the game, but like ive said before this is the way he has always swung since back when i watched him on the KFT and over time his swing has become less push and more straight and his scores have improved. Its disingenuous to imply that anyone can start swinging like this and compete on the PGA and in no way does it make him lack "integrity"
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Post by GW_Hope on Feb 24, 2020 20:01:46 GMT -5
By the way, for me this has nothing to do with zenz. I don’t even know the man. Go look at my HB post. I posted that in December and knew about since last season when a few other players adopted it and shot up the boards. I never called them out either. Zenz started this by showing the world how to do it. You cant say it has nothing to do with him when you basically implied earlier people who play a swing like that have no integrity. You may not like the swing mechanics of the game, but like ive said before this is the way he has always swung since back when i watched him on the KFT and over time his swing has become less push and more straight and his scores have improved. Its disingenuous to imply that anyone can start swinging like this and compete on the PGA and in no way does it make him lack "integrity" Straw Man argument. I said MY integrity. I don’t play that way and to change to it is cheap. At the end of the day if you can live with it the so be it. I can’t. What ever happens at the top doesn’t affect me, I am playing for cuts. But don’t think I don’t know how to play the game. I was in the top 20 WGR at one time.
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Post by theduke21 on Feb 24, 2020 20:09:52 GMT -5
The "always swung like this" argument doesn't work. People used it for short swinging too. It's no excuse to keep knowingly do it. In my opinion this is actually worse than short swinging because it's way less natural. BY FAR. I have friends who just naturally short swung on golf games and other games that require joystick swings like MLB pitching.
If I personally knew I was using a swing that exploited the game and very clearly gave me an unfair advantage I shouldn't have over 90%+ of players, I would stop using it.
It's really that simple. I would feel like a POS if I was winning tournaments that way.
Golf. Honesty, integrity, for the love of the game. You know, all that stuff the USGA and R&A say.
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Post by searchingforthegains on Feb 24, 2020 20:20:02 GMT -5
The "always swung like this" argument doesn't work. People used it for short swinging too. It's no excuse to keep knowingly do it. In my opinion this is actually worse than short swinging because it's way less natural. BY FAR. I have friends who just naturally short swung on golf games and other games that require joystick swings like MLB pitching. If I personally knew I was using a swing that exploited the game and very clearly gave me an unfair advantage I shouldn't have over 90%+ of players, I would stop using it. It's really that simple. I would feel like a POS if I was winning tournaments that way. Golf. Honesty, integrity, for the love of the game. You know, all that stuff the USGA and R&A say. An unfair advantage would mean other people are not capable of swinging like this. And again if you watch his actual gameplay, you will see that his swing has got straighter over time even though I know you dont care about that. Also you never responded to my comment about using slow swings purposely. Thats available in the game. He's playing just as honest as anyone else. Making moral arguments over a reasonable swing is a yikes
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Post by unclevirt on Feb 24, 2020 20:21:27 GMT -5
The "always swung like this" argument doesn't work. People used it for short swinging too. It's no excuse to keep knowingly do it. In my opinion this is actually worse than short swinging because it's way less natural. BY FAR. I have friends who just naturally short swung on golf games and other games that require joystick swings like MLB pitching. If I personally knew I was using a swing that exploited the game and very clearly gave me an unfair advantage I shouldn't have over 90%+ of players, I would stop using it. It's really that simple. I would feel like a POS if I was winning tournaments that way. Golf. Honesty, integrity, for the love of the game. You know, all that stuff the USGA and R&A say. Trying doing it for 1000 hours and then you find out it's wrong. It's literally my natural swing. A straight swing for me doesn't feel straight in the slightest but it feels like I have to pull my mouse down to the right and push it up to the left. It doesn't feel natural at all. IT NEVER WILL. Don't give me that CRAP that it's not natural. The first swing I took on this game had that path.
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Post by Doyley on Feb 24, 2020 20:24:34 GMT -5
Pointing everyone's frustration/energy towards making HB aware in the hopes that the next game doesn't have the same shortfalls as this one is probably best case scenario at this point. I'm pretty sure they are aware now but will likely never publicly respond - it would be hard to defend and we all know there are no swing changes/patches on the horizon for TGC 2019..
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Post by Brighttail on Feb 24, 2020 20:33:22 GMT -5
I edited my post after playing around with this style. I have explained why in the Clubhouse thread.
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