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Post by theduke21 on Feb 24, 2020 18:33:21 GMT -5
The issue, at least for me, isn't what he is doing. It is that it is posted for all to see and WILL be adopted elsewhere by others. We have been down this path already in this game. It was posted cause he was accused of "exploiting" and how is it even bad in the first place? I would rather know if im gonna miss im gonna miss right then not know if its going left or right. Still takes hundred of hours to perfect. Like I said other people can attempt it but I bet they will not be able to shoot the scores he is shooting. Also not true. Multiple people said within one round they were already good at it and playing well. The admin, Doyley, even said he shot a 58 with the method right away. And he'd be the first to tell you that he's not that great at this installment of the game. *sorry Doyley* It's bad because it's an unnatural way of playing the game that gives a very clear advantage toward people that swing the stick like it's supposed to be swung.
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Post by GW_Hope on Feb 24, 2020 18:34:01 GMT -5
Watch Z3NZ gameplay and you will see that 95% or more of his shots are still within the lines. Just because he has a 1 way miss, which any real golfer or golfer in a video game would like to have doesnt make it an exploit. If you guys think it is, you can adopt it and see if you shoot a -62. Good luck I learned by reading the thread for about 5 minutes that this is far from the point. You should check it out as well before forming an opinion on it. And it took another 5 minutes for me to replicate it consistently. 😂
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Post by searchingforthegains on Feb 24, 2020 18:35:03 GMT -5
Watch Z3NZ gameplay and you will see that 95% or more of his shots are still within the lines. Just because he has a 1 way miss, which any real golfer or golfer in a video game would like to have doesnt make it an exploit. If you guys think it is, you can adopt it and see if you shoot a -62. Good luck I learned by reading the thread for about 5 minutes that this is far from the point. You should check it out as well before forming an opinion on it. Just because I have a different opinion on the issue than you doesnt mean I havent read the thread
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Post by killahbeaz132 on Feb 24, 2020 18:35:22 GMT -5
Only here for 1 comment at the moment - I’m a killahbeaz132 fan. Really cool to see nice, logical, informed, smart folks around here. Not that he’s only just showed up, but it’s something I’ve noticed over his posts here through our time in PGA, and the post above just made me want to commend that line of thinking and interaction with a friendly community. Sign me up for the fan email listserv Thanks Justin! I just don't see the need to throw out insults and negativity to get the point across. Honestly, the majority of folks in these forums are great people. There are a few bad apples but you can expect that in everything. I like the passion that the members here have because it shows that people care and what this game and the subsequent games that follow to be great. We're all adults and we can all express our opinions in a way that we can have civilized discussions about them. I'm not saying I'm always right because I'm not, and I don't agree with what everyone else has said but that doesn't give me a right to be a jerk to them. I mean the whole point is that we're supposed to be the best players in the world at this right? So why can't we have our opinions all out there and somehow figure out to be as fair as we can throughout. The admins and all of the volunteers that run TGCTours do an amazing job and honestly most of what they do is thankless. There's a lot of negativity thrown their way from the API all the way down to the courses selected each week. Yet each week there are events for people across all the tours to play in and it's run very smoothly. I know it's a lot better than I could do to take care of all of this. Issues like the push swing and such are impossible for the admins to fix and really to find a solution that everyone is happy with isn't realistic. Like it has been stated before we all know who the guys are out there that are trying to get over on the system and play unfairly. I want to reiterate that Adam is not one of those guys. He is definitely just playing as he always has and his intent was never to cheat or gain an unfair advantage. I hope these tours go on for a very long time and the community we have here is a great group of people that have a lot of great insight. Let's not forget that we are lucky to have all this and that it can be as great as we want it to be if we keep lines of communication open and keep striving to make this better. Thanks guys! Hope I'm not boring you to death lol. Keep up the good work as well TGCT staff. Thank you!
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Post by searchingforthegains on Feb 24, 2020 18:35:38 GMT -5
I learned by reading the thread for about 5 minutes that this is far from the point. You should check it out as well before forming an opinion on it. And it took another 5 minutes for me to replicate it consistently. 😂 I look forward to seeing you up on the leaderboard at -63 then
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Post by GW_Hope on Feb 24, 2020 18:37:19 GMT -5
And it took another 5 minutes for me to replicate it consistently. 😂 I look forward to seeing you up on the leaderboard at -63 then No thanks, my integrity gets in the way.
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Post by theduke21 on Feb 24, 2020 18:38:04 GMT -5
And it took another 5 minutes for me to replicate it consistently. 😂 I look forward to seeing you up on the leaderboard at -63 then Fortunately for the Tour, a lot of us aren't willing to exploit the game to get high on the leaderboard.
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Post by searchingforthegains on Feb 24, 2020 18:41:10 GMT -5
I look forward to seeing you up on the leaderboard at -63 then No thanks, my integrity gets in the way. ok play your rounds normal and then recreate the conditions and shoot -63 and post your gameplay.
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Post by GW_Hope on Feb 24, 2020 18:41:16 GMT -5
I mean damn, it took me until last month to finally do the very slow chips and flops around the green because I was too prideful to do it until then lol i did them for a few weeks and abandoned that too. Looked too dumb
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Post by searchingforthegains on Feb 24, 2020 18:46:47 GMT -5
I mean damn, it took me until last month to finally do the very slow chips and flops around the green because I was too prideful to do it until then lol So that "exploit" is ok but the push or pull "exploit" isnt. Sounds a little hypocritical.
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Post by Brighttail on Feb 24, 2020 18:47:36 GMT -5
Only here for 1 comment at the moment - I’m a killahbeaz132 fan. Really cool to see nice, logical, informed, smart folks around here. Not that he’s only just showed up, but it’s something I’ve noticed over his posts here through our time in PGA, and the post above just made me want to commend that line of thinking and interaction with a friendly community. Sign me up for the fan email listserv I agree with you here, B.Smooth13 . killahbeaz132 made some really good points here. In real life I always had a bit of a fade, especially off my drives and would always aim down the left side of the fairway. To me a push/pull swing is akin to that while a flick shot would be more akin to when you make a steep downswing and when your club strikes the ball it buries itself in the ground, stopping all forward momentum. I think we've all had that happen in our lives. Sometimes it even works out well, but doing that on every shot isn't realistic.
Of course we are playing a golf game so none of this is real. We all know the following tho:
1. Using master clubs the swing is not equal across all 3 platforms 2. The game overall is not equal across all 3 platforms 3. Flicking is something that the admin really can't police, not because of a lack of desire but because their current tools won't allow it. 4. Push/pull swings won't trigger any API because the API is based on the distance the swing is from the center of the cone 5. The game doesn't seem to be consistent when it comes to penalizing push/pull swings 6. The game is pretty broken now and whining about it won't make it better as HB has long stopped any updates to it
In the end, I agree. At some point we should let things go on this issue. HB is going to do nothing about it and so we have to wait for the new game. The admin aren't going to suddenly get some magic API that allows them to effectively police any of this. The flickers are going to continue to flick and the push/pullers are going to continue to play their game. In the mean time we should try to have some fun. I stopped really trying on this platform about 5-6 months after it came out as it was obvious we weren't playing on a level playing field. Personally I've tried to stop reading all the flames and the 'outing' of players, tho there are times I still get caught up in it. For me it isn't worth the angst, the whining and the complaining. We've heard it all before and things aren't going to change. So we wait and hopefully there is a new game on the horizon, tho I haven't heard anything about a TGC 2020. Might as well get along in the mean time.
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Post by Brighttail on Feb 24, 2020 18:49:47 GMT -5
The issue, at least for me, isn't what he is doing. It is that it is posted for all to see and WILL be adopted elsewhere by others. We have been down this path already in this game. It was posted cause he was accused of "exploiting" and how is it even bad in the first place? I would rather know if im gonna miss im gonna miss right then not know if its going left or right. Still takes hundred of hours to perfect. Like I said other people can attempt it but I bet they will not be able to shoot the scores he is shooting. Let people try to adopt it. This swing is not as easy to master, as it goes against what your normal swing would be like. For a person who started playing the game with the swing and learned to adapt to it, that is one thing. Trying to change your swing to mimic it is quite another.
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Post by GW_Hope on Feb 24, 2020 18:49:56 GMT -5
No thanks, my integrity gets in the way. ok play your rounds normal and then recreate the conditions and shoot -63 and post your gameplay. I would but it took me 70 minutes to upload 5 holes which I did post.
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Post by searchingforthegains on Feb 24, 2020 18:51:21 GMT -5
ok play your rounds normal and then recreate the conditions and shoot -63 and post your gameplay. I would but it took me 70 minutes to upload 5 holes which I did post. you dont have to upload....you could stream it on twitch or another platform
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Post by titan30003 on Feb 24, 2020 19:00:42 GMT -5
-62 is very good. Even if we all knew how to perfect the push swing, it would probably be near or at the top. Adam is great at the game, at all aspects. The main point that has been made that everyone agrees on (I think) is that the push swing is an advantage. That's it. It's not saying Adam isn't a great golfer, or that any other pushers are great. It's just that it's not a fair playing field because the game is broken. So this challenging others to break the -62 is just silly, as it doesn't prove anything either way.
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