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Post by rcknfrewld on Feb 12, 2020 4:54:24 GMT -5
I don't like clogging up the thread with your previous quotes because they are quite long-winded at times. There, I named you. Happy? And you knew I was responding to you without having to quote you. And to me it's just common sense to vary the conditions. I'm not going to make a mock PGA schedule here and tediously list all the round's different conditions. I assume geatly varying conditions is understood and that a scheduler knows how to employ them. This could mean almost ANYTHING!
Be specific. Concentrate with me. This isn't hard. What is it you specifically want or are asking for?
Very slows to very fasts? Or what the new scheduler is proposing? Within reasonable conditions of the designers original course design or YOLO conditions? BOTH are considered "varying the conditions".
What I believe the new PGA scheduler is proposing is realistic, but what you proposed earlier (and yet will not defend after repeated asks) could also be considered varying conditions but yours are in reality not what one would see in an actual event.
Simply, I ask you... are you asking for highly varying conditions a.k.a. a fantasy tour? Do not dilute your answer, but you probably will anyways.
We should stick to mirroring the rl PGA in every way possible down to the terrain, greens, winds, weather, and of course courses. But it seems we've been headed to a safe middle ground compromise in an effort to please a minority voice. I don't like "compromising" because there is an actual right and wrong. At least boldly pick a direction right or wrong instead of meddling in the mediocre medium middle.
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Post by rcknfrewld on Feb 12, 2020 4:56:39 GMT -5
And don't focus on trying to appease the few who post here because the silent other hundred or so that play PGA get neglected. Plus the few people that contribute here mainly struggle to make cuts. So consider the source so to speak. Voice of the people - James, whiter than white, Brandon. The poor, silent, neglected members are well able to contribute, but choose not to. The forum is open for all to use. How do you know what their temperature on all of this is? If you don't understand by now that messing with the green speeds too much routinely kills the design intent with the more sculpted greens complexes that we encounter on PGA, and also makes a lot of courses putt very strangely, well... I hope that during your time as a ranger you can learn to appreciate this. Nobody wants it to be easy. Quite the opposite. Make it hard, but make it fair. High / varied winds... default directions at times... firm terrain vs soft terrain...there are many ways to make it play differently outside of greatly varying the speeds. You don't need fantasy courses with pins on VF VF Molehills to achieve that. I'd love to see us back to playing a few more RCRs to suit the schedule stops, as has been mentioned. This is meant to be the PGA Tour after all.There are so many great designers doing good work, that it'd be stupid to overlook those, but not every week and at the expense of a good RCR. Would love to see more good quality RCRs out there... Anyway, ignore me. I don't make every cut, am only WGR50 currently, have played all 3 iterations of the game, being on PGA since TGC2, and hold down a single figure handicap IRL - Maybe James can educate the rest of the rangers on what qualities to look for in folk, so as to see whose opinions to discount. Signed Lovingly A Struggling PGA Medium, who sometimes makes cuts (legitimately) I think the majority of people don't post here because they don't want to deal with your hoity toity responses and tone that you just gave me for example.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2020 4:59:45 GMT -5
This could mean almost ANYTHING!
Be specific. Concentrate with me. This isn't hard. What is it you specifically want or are asking for?
Very slows to very fasts? Or what the new scheduler is proposing? Within reasonable conditions of the designers original course design or YOLO conditions? BOTH are considered "varying the conditions".
What I believe the new PGA scheduler is proposing is realistic, but what you proposed earlier (and yet will not defend after repeated asks) could also be considered varying conditions but yours are in reality not what one would see in an actual event.
Simply, I ask you... are you asking for highly varying conditions a.k.a. a fantasy tour? Do not dilute your answer, but you probably will anyways.
We should stick to mirroring the rl PGA in every way possible down to the terrain, greens, winds, weather, and of course courses. But it seems we've been headed to a safe middle ground compromise in an effort to please a minority voice. I don't like "compromising" because there is an actual right and wrong. At least boldly pick a direction right or wrong instead of meddling in the mediocre medium middle. What is this "minority voice" you mention? Who speaks it and what is it they say? What is "right" and what is "wrong"? What is it that you specifically want?
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Post by rcknfrewld on Feb 12, 2020 5:02:18 GMT -5
How do you not understand what I mean? I guess our brain setup and conditions are too greatly varied to understand each other.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2020 5:06:37 GMT -5
How do you not understand what I mean? I guess our brain setup and conditions are too greatly varied to understand each other. You have literally gone from wanting very slow to very fast setups within the same tournament to then advocating for accurate setups to the IRL course all within this back and forth. Forgive me for not knowing what you are asking for here.
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Post by fadgewacker on Feb 12, 2020 5:08:50 GMT -5
Voice of the people - James, whiter than white, Brandon. The poor, silent, neglected members are well able to contribute, but choose not to. The forum is open for all to use. How do you know what their temperature on all of this is? If you don't understand by now that messing with the green speeds too much routinely kills the design intent with the more sculpted greens complexes that we encounter on PGA, and also makes a lot of courses putt very strangely, well... I hope that during your time as a ranger you can learn to appreciate this. Nobody wants it to be easy. Quite the opposite. Make it hard, but make it fair. High / varied winds... default directions at times... firm terrain vs soft terrain...there are many ways to make it play differently outside of greatly varying the speeds. You don't need fantasy courses with pins on VF VF Molehills to achieve that. I'd love to see us back to playing a few more RCRs to suit the schedule stops, as has been mentioned. This is meant to be the PGA Tour after all.There are so many great designers doing good work, that it'd be stupid to overlook those, but not every week and at the expense of a good RCR. Would love to see more good quality RCRs out there... Anyway, ignore me. I don't make every cut, am only WGR50 currently, have played all 3 iterations of the game, being on PGA since TGC2, and hold down a single figure handicap IRL - Maybe James can educate the rest of the rangers on what qualities to look for in folk, so as to see whose opinions to discount. Signed Lovingly A Struggling PGA Medium, who sometimes makes cuts (legitimately) I think the majority of people don't post here because they don't want to deal with your hoity toity responses and tone that you just gave me for example. I'm sure that's it James... The way that I, specifically, communicate with people on the forum, is stopping hundreds of folk joining the gang... Dear me... Still - the question stands, how do you know what these "ghosts" what? You and I don't get along, and won't get along, but I don't seem to have much bother with many other folk... bar the ones that maybe don't like being pointed at for breaking rules repeatedly. Maybe I'm misjudging it and everyone hates me. Who knows. But just for the record: Since you "won" that week, and admitted to having been, erm, bending the rules for a long time so as to beat finally Chris Rawesey, you and I have actually made exactly the same amount of cuts, legitimately. So I sincerely hope that you weren't grouping me in the ignore bracket? Apologies to theduke21 if this has derailed the thread. James' sheer projected elitism flabbergasted me somewhat. That's all I have to say on the matter.
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Post by rcknfrewld on Feb 12, 2020 5:12:05 GMT -5
How do you not understand what I mean? I guess our brain setup and conditions are too greatly varied to understand each other. You have literally gone from wanting very slow to very fast setups within the same tournament to then advocating for accurate setups to the IRL course all within this back and forth. Forgive me for not knowing what you are asking for here. It makes sense to mirror the rl PGA but that doesn't seem to be happening. So I'm suggesting we greatly vary up the conditions and setups on whatever courses get chosen to make it engaging and interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2020 5:13:50 GMT -5
You have literally gone from wanting very slow to very fast setups within the same tournament to then advocating for accurate setups to the IRL course all within this back and forth. Forgive me for not knowing what you are asking for here. It makes sense to mirror the rl PGA but that doesn't seem to be happening. So I'm suggesting we greatly vary up the conditions and setups on whatever courses get chosen to make it engaging and interesting. So you advocate one extreme or the other with no middle ground at all? Do you not understand this doesn't really make sense in reality?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2020 5:16:08 GMT -5
Why am I arguing with someone who doesn't wish to see other points of view?
I am being played... Enough is enough.
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Post by rcknfrewld on Feb 12, 2020 5:16:25 GMT -5
It makes sense to mirror the rl PGA but that doesn't seem to be happening. So I'm suggesting we greatly vary up the conditions and setups on whatever courses get chosen to make it engaging and interesting. So you advocate one extreme or the other with no middle ground at all? Do you not understand this doesn't really make sense in reality? Well, it makes sense to me. I need things to be highly engaging in order for me to be interested and motivated. Take it or leave it. And I find reality pretty boring so there's that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2020 5:17:41 GMT -5
So you advocate one extreme or the other with no middle ground at all? Do you not understand this doesn't really make sense in reality? Well, it makes sense to me. I need things to be highly engaging in order for me to be interested and motivated. Take it or leave it. This makes sense in a tour of... You. This is a tour of 140 or so players each week.
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Post by rcknfrewld on Feb 12, 2020 5:18:50 GMT -5
Why am I arguing with someone who doesn't wish to see other points of view? I am being played... Enough is enough. I'm not playing or trolling you. This is just how I talk. I'm not conventional or orthodox. Sorry I guess.
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Post by CuseHokie on Feb 12, 2020 5:50:42 GMT -5
Is it not possible for Tyler to review the settings already put in place and make modifications if he so chooses?
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Post by fadgewacker on Feb 12, 2020 5:57:28 GMT -5
Doyley theduke21 I understand that the courses are set for the next few weeks, but when will Tyler be taking control of the settings? Week 30 as per a previous post. Understand that scheduling of the tracks will be from week 30, but between now and then, will Tyler be in charge of the setups?
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Post by theduke21 on Feb 12, 2020 6:17:38 GMT -5
James I made it clear I would be adding variation in terms of firmness and winds. As far as green speeds, I just don't at all agree with throwing green speeds all over the place. I don't see how that's a challenge that proves anything or showcases the best players. The green roll terribly on this game under 144 feet for the most part, and all it does is allow us to throw darts and slam in putts and chips with no regard to speed.
As for setups between now and week 30, I was given the OK to edit things but only if I feel like it's really needed since it can be a hassle to coordinate changes and apparently editing tournaments can get buggy.
I did make a lighting change for next week's minor event because Black Hawk was way too dark on default. For the WGC, it's pretty standard conditions and I think Ravenna is a really good course so I don't have any issues with how it stands. I'll move forward looking at conditions that are set through The Players. I will likely be making a course change for the Arnold Palmer because of theme reasons but I'll have more details when it happens. Unfortunately the Bay Hill on the game isn't very good, and I don't find it to be an interesting course anyways.
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