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Post by gamesdecent on Jan 24, 2020 8:40:24 GMT -5
Bill Coore on a recent episode of The Fried Egg podcast had a quote I liked. Something about how architects used to find natural green sites and the contours of each site determined how fast the greens would run in order to still play fairly, whereas now we have a faster=better mentality and architects let the desired green speed dictate the contours they make, ultimately resulting in less interesting green complexes. I thought that was an interesting way to look at it.
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Post by mayday_golf83 on Jan 24, 2020 12:58:48 GMT -5
Bill Coore on a recent episode of The Fried Egg podcast had a quote I liked. Something about how architects used to find natural green sites and the contours of each site determined how fast the greens would run in order to still play fairly, whereas now we have a faster=better mentality and architects let the desired green speed dictate the contours they make, ultimately resulting in less interesting green complexes. I thought that was an interesting way to look at it. To translate into TGC parlance, you mean the insistence by some that greens MUST be playable at 187 lends itself to more boring greens??? 😱
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Post by gamesdecent on Jan 24, 2020 16:03:26 GMT -5
Bill Coore on a recent episode of The Fried Egg podcast had a quote I liked. Something about how architects used to find natural green sites and the contours of each site determined how fast the greens would run in order to still play fairly, whereas now we have a faster=better mentality and architects let the desired green speed dictate the contours they make, ultimately resulting in less interesting green complexes. I thought that was an interesting way to look at it. To translate into TGC parlance, you mean the insistence by some that greens MUST be playable at 187 lends itself to more boring greens??? 😱 And/or more entertaining PGA threads.
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Post by tpetro on Jan 24, 2020 17:42:02 GMT -5
To translate into TGC parlance, you mean the insistence by some that greens MUST be playable at 187 lends itself to more boring greens??? 😱 And/or more entertaining PGA threads. 👀 Love how the best players both IRL and TGC love to complain about difficult courses. I know this is news to some, but not everything is gonna be TPC Deere Run fellas
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Post by grovey31 on Jan 31, 2020 10:03:16 GMT -5
Bill Coore on a recent episode of The Fried Egg podcast had a quote I liked. Something about how architects used to find natural green sites and the contours of each site determined how fast the greens would run in order to still play fairly, whereas now we have a faster=better mentality and architects let the desired green speed dictate the contours they make, ultimately resulting in less interesting green complexes. I thought that was an interesting way to look at it. Was listening to Doak talk about the Memorial Park project he’s doing in Houston for the PGA Tour and he said they told him they won’t put a pin in any area that is more than a 2% slope. He went on to say that this means the greens will be very flat and therefore uninteresting. He said it mostly comes down to green speed and that the Tour wants things really fast to “test” the players. He went on to say that it’s not speed that affects good players. They can control their speed so well that they don’t even think about it. What makes it hard for them is matching the speed to the line of the putt and on flat green, that challenge is drastically nullified. I think I could listen to Bill Coore talk about golf forever! He always has such good insight and slightly different way to approach different aspects of architecture. Really enjoy his thoughts and discussions on routings too.
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Post by mav78 on Feb 2, 2020 11:12:18 GMT -5
I'm disappointed to have never played any of their courses yet but I think it much of a muchness with the three of them. They all take great advantage of these natural undulating sandy sites. I hear Streamsong Black is the best of the three courses there which shows how good Hanse is. I'd like to play a few of the more characterless sites they've built on and make judgement then. Ill go with Doak as his Anatomy of a Golf Course book is great and he had been consulting at Pennard recently.
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