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Post by wadey1801 on Jan 16, 2020 13:27:52 GMT -5
Can I ask how user created courses that are submitted to TGCTours are determined to be tour worthy, as a lot of recent courses especially on the PGA Tour are somewhat, poor to say the least. There are a lot of really good courses out they're that don't even get a look in (Including mine, Insley Manor Golf Estate - Tour, blatant plug) As many PS4 players know I run the TaylorMade World Tour society, the second biggest user created society on PS4 and only use top quality courses. I have about 200+ courses on my favourites list and would gladly assist if courses were needed. Would be interesting to hear from admins about the process. Wadey75
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Post by cathalos1991 on Jan 16, 2020 13:51:14 GMT -5
Can I ask how user created courses that are submitted to TGCTours are determined to be tour worthy, as a lot of recent courses especially on the PGA Tour are somewhat, poor to say the least. There are a lot of really good courses out they're that don't even get a look in (Including mine, Insley Manor Golf Estate - Tour, blatant plug) As many PS4 players know I run the TaylorMade World Tour society, the second biggest user created society on PS4 and only use top quality courses. I have about 200+ courses on my favourites list and would gladly assist if courses were needed. Would be interesting to hear from admins about the process. Wadey75 There was actually a bit of a debate surrounding this not so long ago in amongst the reviewing team. Ill see if I can locate the gist of it for you. In terms of course selection & scheduling for Tournaments it is a completely separate team that look after this. I'm not 100% on what the selection criteria is, I have only helped with scouting the potential courses they lined up for tournaments for stuff like for illegal pins & overall playability.
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Post by b101 on Jan 16, 2020 14:14:13 GMT -5
Yeah, you can see Tour Worthy on your Designer page. Tour Worthy =/= On Tour, by a long stretch. Some really good courses will not get put on because for whatever reason, schedulers need a certain fit. As you'll know from PGA, different folks like different things (think themes, variety, length, level and type of challenge), so there's a bit of variety that goes into it.
Now, if the question is 'what do I need to do to get my course design up to Tour Worthy levels?', just bump your thread in the Completed Courses section - there are loads of great guys in the design community who I'm sure would help with that.
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Post by cathalos1991 on Jan 16, 2020 14:18:06 GMT -5
When it comes to assigning a grade to each course, "Tour Worthy", " Accepted", Not Accepted" a lot of it really comes down to each individual reviewer.
There are obviously a few things we do look out for in terms of planting, sculpting, flow of the course, pin placements, scorability. And within each one there are a couple of different things like repetitive boring planting, surfaces and the textures, bunker placement & scultping.
With sculpting it can be things like the tee boxes being flat, do the greens offer a decent challenge without being OTT or essentially flat. Looking out for how shots react to the way the designer sculpted the course, is it unfair, etc. There's a lot to take into account. If it's just an autogen or we feel like the designer rushed the process without really caring much about the smaller details, it will usually end up in the not approved section.
The standard of courses that is coming through the database is so high now that a Tour Worthy course from a year ago, might only be "approved" if it was submitted today. There are courses, better than the first one I ever had approved coming through that aren't being accepted.
For me, and how I would go and make my decision and I know a lot of the other reviewers feel the same is, if the course ticks all the boxes, they've taken great care with all the intricate things and designed a technically solid course, it's suitable to don't a tournament in my eyes, I ask myself "Is this course memorable?" "Does it make me want to come back and play again?"
Maybe some others might want to chime in on what their processes are for it, hope this helps Gary. I also had a course on CC-A last week, but have much better courses in my opinion that haven't hosted any.
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Post by wadey1801 on Jan 16, 2020 14:24:04 GMT -5
Yeah, you can see Tour Worthy on your Designer page. Tour Worthy =/= On Tour, by a long stretch. Some really good courses will not get put on because for whatever reason, schedulers need a certain fit. As you'll know from PGA, different folks like different things (think themes, variety, length, level and type of challenge), so there's a bit of variety that goes into it. Now, if the question is 'what do I need to do to get my course design up to Tour Worthy levels?', just bump your thread in the Completed Courses section - there are loads of great guys in the design community who I'm sure would help with that. Have a play of Insley Manor Golf Estate -Tour and let me know what you think.
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Post by lessthanbread on Jan 16, 2020 14:36:52 GMT -5
From a reviewer's perspective I know the rating of "tour worthy" is subjective. One reviewer might think a course is tour worthy and others may not. It's really a feel thing and a reviewer has to rely on their experience to make that call. For me, I usually have a pretty good idea if a course is going to be tour worthy or not immediately on the first tee. Tour worthy courses just have that extra something "approved" courses do not: Attention to detail, a great balance of challenging and fun play, expressed mastery of most/all course designer tools and techniques and I can tell the designer had a true vision for the course they wanted to make.
Schedulers probably have different ways of selecting courses for tour spots. Some might scan through the TGC Tours website database looking at the "tour worthy" courses and others might just look at the completed courses forum for spots. Also to note, there are many "approved" courses that get scheduled on tour as well. A course doesn't have to be rated as "tour worthy" by a reviewer to make it on tour. It's totally up to the schedulers of each tour on the courses they want to use.
My best pieces advice if you want to get your courses on tour are: 1: Design great courses (study the courses produced by the most experienced/accomplished designers and learn from them) 2: Put effort into marketing your publish (Post screenshots of the best locations of your course, do a cool write up. Make the forum post for your course look attractive) 3: Design many great courses (just simply having one great publish doesn't help you much, you have to build your reputation through designing multiple great courses) 4: Be active in the design community (Get your name recognized by other designers, post questions, answer questions, hang out on Twitch streams. Basically join the gang)
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Post by b101 on Jan 16, 2020 14:38:52 GMT -5
Yeah, you can see Tour Worthy on your Designer page. Tour Worthy =/= On Tour, by a long stretch. Some really good courses will not get put on because for whatever reason, schedulers need a certain fit. As you'll know from PGA, different folks like different things (think themes, variety, length, level and type of challenge), so there's a bit of variety that goes into it. Now, if the question is 'what do I need to do to get my course design up to Tour Worthy levels?', just bump your thread in the Completed Courses section - there are loads of great guys in the design community who I'm sure would help with that. Have a play of Insley Manor Golf Estate -Tour and let me know what you think. Sure. I'll drop you a PM. Would strongly recommend getting more involved in the designer's section as well if this is your aim. So much good stuff to pick up on there.
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Post by wadey1801 on Jan 16, 2020 14:48:33 GMT -5
Thank you for the advice guys ππ»
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Post by GW_Hope on Jan 16, 2020 15:02:44 GMT -5
Can I ask how user created courses that are submitted to TGCTours are determined to be tour worthy, as a lot of recent courses especially on the PGA Tour are somewhat, poor to say the least. There are a lot of really good courses out they're that don't even get a look in (Including mine, Insley Manor Golf Estate - Tour, blatant plug) As many PS4 players know I run the TaylorMade World Tour society, the second biggest user created society on PS4 and only use top quality courses. I have about 200+ courses on my favourites list and would gladly assist if courses were needed. Would be interesting to hear from admins about the process. Wadey75 I play on your tour. Impressed with your selection of courses and setting. The tour is challenging but fair. Good job!
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Post by wadey1801 on Jan 16, 2020 15:03:20 GMT -5
Can I ask how user created courses that are submitted to TGCTours are determined to be tour worthy, as a lot of recent courses especially on the PGA Tour are somewhat, poor to say the least. There are a lot of really good courses out they're that don't even get a look in (Including mine, Insley Manor Golf Estate - Tour, blatant plug) As many PS4 players know I run the TaylorMade World Tour society, the second biggest user created society on PS4 and only use top quality courses. I have about 200+ courses on my favourites list and would gladly assist if courses were needed. Would be interesting to hear from admins about the process. Wadey75 I play on your tour. Impressed with your selection of courses and setting. The tour is challenging but fair. Good job! Thanks mate ππ»ππ»
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Post by b101 on Jan 16, 2020 15:23:15 GMT -5
Thank you for the advice guys ππ» Actually, I've got a bit of time now. I'll stream a quick round with audio off so you can hear comments. Link in shoutbox if you want to join.
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Post by wadey1801 on Jan 16, 2020 15:26:25 GMT -5
Thank you for the advice guys ππ» Actually, I've got a bit of time now. I'll stream a quick round with audio off so you can hear comments. Link in shoutbox if you want to join. Unable to join but I'll watch ππ»
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Post by wadey1801 on Jan 16, 2020 15:28:06 GMT -5
Where's the shoutbox lol
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Post by b101 on Jan 16, 2020 15:29:24 GMT -5
Struggling to even find the course at the moment!
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Post by wadey1801 on Jan 16, 2020 15:30:13 GMT -5
Struggling to even find the course at the moment! Type manor
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