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Post by fadgewacker on Jan 16, 2020 10:54:22 GMT -5
I'd personally be really interested to see how a special event, via TGCT, panned out for all players using Pro Clubs. An experiment with Pro Clubs to address swing deficiencies (we all know what they are) and the cross platform tempo irregularities that plague Masters clubs is what I'm suggesting, if enough people are interested. Doyley Tim SmilingGoats is this something that you could even entertain as an additional event / experiment? If we can't get it off the ground in an official capacity, I'm still considering setting up a PS4 society that would have 2 x 2 round events per week for a sample of weeks - with Pro club only "honesty" requested. Again, if people are interested in participating in that for a sample period of say 3 weeks? Cheers
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 13:05:19 GMT -5
Have not used Pro clubs in this game and don't intend to.
Good luck, though.
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Post by rob4590 on Jan 16, 2020 13:11:12 GMT -5
Have not used Pro clubs in this game and don't intend to. Good luck, though.
Totally agree - pro clubs on PGA will be the end of the game for me - it's a terrible idea
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Post by blueorfe on Jan 16, 2020 14:18:01 GMT -5
I haven't used pro clubs since playing one round in the beta; but I'd be willing to play in a trial event using them.
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Post by GW_Hope on Jan 16, 2020 14:54:01 GMT -5
I would try them. It might take a bit to get the feel of roll out and distance though. I don’t see how a trial could hurt, if it’s bad so be it.
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Post by fadgewacker on Jan 16, 2020 16:29:18 GMT -5
Gotta be honest, I’ve not used them yet either. It’ll probably bore me...
Sad fact is though, the masters swing is just so open to manipulation it’s beyond stupid, and the tempo across platforms is so uneven, I’d potentially consider going pro to make a fair competition.
It’s make the whole event more of a putting show, and I’d be worse off (WGR wise, as I play tempo quite well and putt poorly) but at least it’d be fair.
It’s a shite thing to even have to consider...
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Jan 17, 2020 11:04:19 GMT -5
Never used anything but Master clubs since starting up TGC2 for the first time, don't have any interest in using anything else. Might I be at a disadvantage based on platform and..eerr, method of swinging? Yea, likely, but it is what it is. I'd rather ride it out, and I think we'd run into a lot of the same problems with Pro clubs, too, since a flicker is a flicker, it's just useful more often with Master clubs - but that doesn't mean it isn't helpful with Pro's. I pretty strongly (and frequently) voiced my opinion about this a good bit back when the survey came around so I won't drone on about it again, but that's where I stand on this issue. To each their own, and I do completely get the logic behind why some are more open to the idea than I, it's just not a thing I'm really at all interested in spending my time doing.
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Post by lessangster on Jan 17, 2020 11:55:43 GMT -5
People seem to think pro clubs are on rails and it’s totally wrong, I play this game every day on Xbox so I’m no novice. Driver and fairway clubs are not that much of a problem if you get a fast or a slow with master clubs a little extra distance isn’t a round breaker unless you hit it into a hazard it’s accuracy with the irons that’s the problem, hit a fast or slow with a master club iron and you generally end up missing the green through bad tempo. I’ve used pro clubs almost exclusively the last few months and I still miss the odd green through tempo issues I think I’m averaging about 77% GIR but my chipping and putting is good so I’m still getting a reasonable score. People are just trying to find a way to level a playing field that shouldn’t exist if HB had done the job right in the first place. My ideas is Instead of say having the top 15 master club users in any division getting a promo mark do it by system, top 5 PS4, top 5 PC or top 5 Xbox players that use master clubs all get a promo mark as long as they used master clubs at the minute I see a lot of Xbox players that use master clubs and scoring well don’t gain a promo mark because their scores aren’t competitive in a cross platform competition.
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Post by fadgewacker on Jan 17, 2020 13:03:11 GMT -5
People seem to think pro clubs are on rails and it’s totally wrong, I play this game every day on Xbox so I’m no novice. Driver and fairway clubs are not that much of a problem if you get a fast or a slow with master clubs a little extra distance isn’t a round breaker unless you hit it into a hazard it’s accuracy with the irons that’s the problem, hit a fast or slow with a master club iron and you generally end up missing the green through bad tempo. I’ve used pro clubs almost exclusively the last few months and I still miss the odd green through tempo issues I think I’m averaging about 77% GIR but my chipping and putting is good so I’m still getting a reasonable score. People are just trying to find a way to level a playing field that shouldn’t exist if HB had done the job right in the first place. My ideas is Instead of say having the top 15 master club users in any division getting a promo mark do it by system, top 5 PS4, top 5 PC or top 5 Xbox players that use master clubs all get a promo mark as long as they used master clubs at the minute I see a lot of Xbox players that use master clubs and scoring well don’t gain a promo mark because their scores aren’t competitive in a cross platform competition. How does that work in PGA Les?
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Post by fadgewacker on Jan 17, 2020 15:55:44 GMT -5
I've only played TGC2 and TGC2019, not the original game but I'd like to weigh in here. Considering making everyone use pro clubs to somehow level the playing field is short-sided and a small picture minded solution. It's good intentions carried out in a misguided fashion if you will. And it looks like the vast majority are in fact against this pro club notion. The best of the best should use the most challenging clubset. And hopefully the API will slowly over time weed out all the people who are not playing the game the right way or whatever. It should be as simple as that. But I know a lot of people like to complicate things for some reason. But what about all the people that you gave an XBox to at Christmas, Saint Nick? I get what you’re saying, but is it really working? The flickers / scripters... 3rd party pad users... whatever they do, just keep respawning like a new wave of baddies. The only week of the entire year that nobody got DQ’d on PGA was the week that you “won”. How many of that “vast majority” you cite are indeed flickers/ glitchers? I bet they don’t want Pro Clubs 😂 I want to play the most challenging version that is on offer, I have to assume that you know. I don’t want it to be easier, but I would prefer it if it was fair. If we all played the same game. This post was purely and simply to see that now, after a further prolonged period of competing against “bad guys” each week, if there was enough interest to do a Pro clubs sample tourney, not to force anyone to do anything. Seems a few decent knockers would participate, if for nothing else, than the intrigue.
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Post by rcknfrewld on Jan 17, 2020 16:00:40 GMT -5
I've only played TGC2 and TGC2019, not the original game but I'd like to weigh in here. Considering making everyone use pro clubs to somehow level the playing field is short-sided and a small picture minded solution. It's good intentions carried out in a misguided fashion if you will. And it looks like the vast majority are in fact against this pro club notion. The best of the best should use the most challenging clubset. And hopefully the API will slowly over time weed out all the people who are not playing the game the right way or whatever. It should be as simple as that. But I know a lot of people like to complicate things for some reason. But what about all the people that you gave an XBox to at Christmas, Saint Nick? I get what you’re saying, but is it really working? The flickers / scripters... 3rd party pad users... whatever they do, just keep respawning like a new wave of baddies. The only week of the entire year that nobody got DQ’d on PGA was the week that you “won”. How many of that “vast majority” you cite are indeed flickers/ glitchers? I bet they don’t want Pro Clubs 😂 I want to play the most challenging version that is on offer, I have to assume that you know. I don’t want it to be easier, but I would prefer it if it was fair. If we all played the same game. This post was purely and simply to see that now, after a further prolonged period of competing against “bad guys” each week, if there was enough interest to do a Pro clubs sample tourney, not to force anyone to do anything. Seems a few decent knockers would participate, if for nothing else, than the intrigue. I deleted my post to avoid a post like yours but you saw it first already and responded. I take it back.
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Post by lessangster on Jan 17, 2020 16:17:48 GMT -5
People seem to think pro clubs are on rails and it’s totally wrong, I play this game every day on Xbox so I’m no novice. Driver and fairway clubs are not that much of a problem if you get a fast or a slow with master clubs a little extra distance isn’t a round breaker unless you hit it into a hazard it’s accuracy with the irons that’s the problem, hit a fast or slow with a master club iron and you generally end up missing the green through bad tempo. I’ve used pro clubs almost exclusively the last few months and I still miss the odd green through tempo issues I think I’m averaging about 77% GIR but my chipping and putting is good so I’m still getting a reasonable score. People are just trying to find a way to level a playing field that shouldn’t exist if HB had done the job right in the first place. My ideas is Instead of say having the top 15 master club users in any division getting a promo mark do it by system, top 5 PS4, top 5 PC or top 5 Xbox players that use master clubs all get a promo mark as long as they used master clubs at the minute I see a lot of Xbox players that use master clubs and scoring well don’t gain a promo mark because their scores aren’t competitive in a cross platform competition. How does that work in PGA Les? It doesn’t work for PGA but you might get a few more Xbox players on the top tours.
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Jan 17, 2020 17:30:37 GMT -5
Like others, i voted no because i foresee no situation in which i would back a move to pro clubs.
So i'm not against the experiment in itself, but don't see the point of it unless it's seriously under consideration (which i hope it isn't)
Like i said in the other thread, we can start by making the punishment for repeated pulls more severe. The TST model would be a good place to start.
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Post by theduke21 on Jan 17, 2020 17:35:54 GMT -5
I just can't see a scenario in which using pro clubs doesn't bore the absolute hell out of me.
I already think the master clubs are pretty easy overall and mostly everything is a distance control/putting competition. Pro Clubs would make it that way even more so.
I get the reasoning for the idea though.
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Post by booze2407 on Jan 17, 2020 17:55:48 GMT -5
I also get the reasoning, but it doesn’t make any sense for me to back something that would lead to me no longer playing. Haven’t used Pro since a week after buying the game, and never will under any circumstance.
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