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Post by wedgely on Jan 12, 2020 1:15:45 GMT -5
What are you guys' opinions on par 6 holes? I'm thinking about trying one out on a course I'm working on as it's a wide open design and I think it would fit the landscape pretty well. I'm worried it might seem too gimmicky, but I know several real life courses do have them, some of which have appeared on professional tours.
Thoughts?
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Post by joegolferg on Jan 12, 2020 7:20:41 GMT -5
Shite.
Most par fives are boring enough.
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Post by gamesdecent on Jan 12, 2020 10:37:14 GMT -5
Agree that most par 5’s are just par 4’s with a boring additional shot most of the time. I’m curious about real life par 6’s especially that made a tour though...
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Post by rob4590 on Jan 12, 2020 12:29:46 GMT -5
Agree that most par 5’s are just par 4’s with a boring additional shot most of the time. I’m curious about real life par 6’s especially that made a tour though...
Only country that is even remotely likely to have happened is in Japan - where they have the occasional par 6 and par 7 holes just 'cos' (or to create a record length hole)
An utterly daft concept overall though for sure.....
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Post by tpetro on Jan 12, 2020 21:00:56 GMT -5
Par is nothing but a construct. If you find a great hole or imagine a great concept that's 770 yards, build it. Just make sure to crack enough length/strategy into it that it isn't a straightforward eagle hole.
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Post by wedgely on Jan 12, 2020 22:08:21 GMT -5
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Post by linkslover on Jan 13, 2020 7:08:40 GMT -5
I like quirks. The Swiss Wall has a par 4 that measures over 650 yards. Angus Bay International has a hole that has two greens while Quirk Park has one on every hole, including a par 7 that is over 1,000 yards from the back tee.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 13:08:54 GMT -5
What everyone else said. If you can build a par 6 that is strategic AND interesting to play, then go for it. Definitely easier said than done for sure, as most are a 'par 5 with an extra fairway wood shot,' not exactly a recipe for an interesting golf hole.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Jan 29, 2020 14:04:21 GMT -5
just for coincidence, i checked a pair of hours ago, for the list, the californian Lake Chabot Golf Course. A Lidar one. Is a pretty strange course, with A LOT of elevation changes, often really huge. I don't like it particularly, is nothing exceptional, for me, but it offers 2 interesting things : 1) Hole 9, a par 3 hole around 160 meters, but 40 meters below, needing a pitching wedge, finally. An idea i really like. 2) Hole 18 is a par 6 hole. Honestly, nothing execeptional, the fairway is cutted in different points by the cartpath and the usual huge elevation change could allows an albatros..but that's all. Anyway..i definitley agree. What really matters is to create interesting holes. If someone couod have a good idea about a par 6 hole, strategically charming and nice looking..why not? But is not the par that matters by itself. (hi guys! happy to be here again. Sorry for the long silence. Real life and awful technology conspired against my relationship with golf )
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Post by lessthanbread on Jan 29, 2020 14:31:19 GMT -5
Found this when researching the subject... www.golfdigest.com/story/boy-15-made-what-on-a-720-yard-par-6-yes-an-albatross-a-million-to-one-shot15 year old kid made an albatross on a par 6. I've never given a thought to making one, and I like to make interesting design choices. I think it's just a little too gimmicky for course design. There's no strategy I can come up with that would differentiate it from how you'd play a par 5, it's just an extra shot that's unnecessary. My thought is why make a gimmicky par 6 when you can make a cool and strategic par 5 and have more room to plant/sculpt? I actually considered making a "wrong par" concept once. Where the par 3's were the lengths of par 5's but played very easy and par 5's were the lengths of par 3's but played very difficult... now that's a gimmicky idea... haha If you do find a way to make a par 6 strategic and interesting though I'm all for it. I just don't see it in my quirky mind
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Jan 29, 2020 15:42:32 GMT -5
Found this when researching the subject... www.golfdigest.com/story/boy-15-made-what-on-a-720-yard-par-6-yes-an-albatross-a-million-to-one-shot15 year old kid made an albatross on a par 6. I've never given a thought to making one, and I like to make interesting design choices. I think it's just a little too gimmicky for course design. There's no strategy I can come up with that would differentiate it from how you'd play a par 5, it's just an extra shot that's unnecessary. My thought is why make a gimmicky par 6 when you can make a cool and strategic par 5 and have more room to plant/sculpt? I actually considered making a "wrong par" concept once. Where the par 3's were the lengths of par 5's but played very easy and par 5's were the lengths of par 3's but played very difficult... now that's a gimmicky idea... haha If you do find a way to make a par 6 strategic and interesting though I'm all for it. I just don't see it in my quirky mind Strategically, maybe the only reason to think seriously about a par 6 hole, it could be the wish to offer yo the players a chance to go for an albatros. Obviously, to make some sense, this chance should be VERY riskful. In such a way that if you miss that chance, then you should to play for a tough par. And even playing in the "normal" way, a birdie should be uneasy. In these terms it could be interesting. If a hole offers a 3 strokes gap...playing it 4 times it could change a tournament. Of course this is an idea "not for purists"..and to be fully honest i still don't know if i could like or not the idea but i must admit it is a possibility.
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Post by sandsaver01 on Jan 29, 2020 15:48:01 GMT -5
just for coincidence, i checked a pair of hours ago, for the list, the californian Lake Chabot Golf Course. A Lidar one. Is a pretty strange course, with A LOT of elevation changes, often really huge. I don't like it particularly, is nothing exceptional, for me, but it offers 2 interesting things : 1) Hole 9, a par 3 hole around 160 meters, but 40 meters below, needing a pitching wedge, finally. An idea i really like. 2) Hole 18 is a par 6 hole. Honestly, nothing execeptional, the fairway is cutted in different points by the cartpath and the usual huge elevation change could allows an albatros..but that's all. Anyway..i definitley agree. What really matters is to create interesting holes. If someone couod have a good idea about a par 6 hole, strategically charming and nice looking..why not? But is not the par that matters by itself. (hi guys! happy to be here again. Sorry for the long silence. Real life and awful technology conspired against my relationship with golf :P) Great that you are back with us Ezzino! I just want to let you know that I have played the Lake Chabot Golf course several times when I lived in the SF Bay area. That # 18 is a hoot! I am sure long hitters could pull off a 400 yard drive if the caught the downslope right.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Jan 29, 2020 18:08:24 GMT -5
sandsaver01 hi mate! great to see you again! i saw that you released the Old White, finally. My plan was to play it immediately, but after a first round of practice elsewere, i realized i don't know how to play anymore. Awful feeling, i swear. Now, after 5 rounds, is slightly better, but i forgot completely how to shot straight and, way worst, how much strenght to give on putt. I feel absolutely stupid while i play. But i'll play the Old White tonight. I was waiting badly for it, i love it, cause i think is one of the hardest courses used on PGA Tour, is a fantastic addiction for us. What about the rest? Are you ok? About the Executive Course at Chabot Lake, it must be interesting IRL. The version we have in game is not bad at all, the shape of the majority of fairways is probably not totally accurate, maybe the details could be a bit more cured, it has just 2 pins, but is playable for sure. The only real "limit" is that is definitely one of those courses that needs to be played with no aids, to appreciate it. I know there is also a 9 hole course, par 27, but in game we still miss it. I'll spend this night checking courses for the list, meanwhile practicing. Then, tomorrow i'll back at my new home, in a new town, but i'll keep my controller with me, this time...and i'll try to install the game in the PC my friend is sharing with me. If it will work with no issues, i should restart to play with continuity..or, at worst, i'll concentrate simply about create courses, as i was in train to start, before to leave home and the death of my phone, 2 months ago.
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