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Post by yeltzman on Jan 11, 2020 4:16:44 GMT -5
The Hcp's are all wonky i feel because when i look at the scores of some of my courses i would say about 40- 50% play the forward tees,its either they like to score well or have no idea you can change the tees.If they are going to stick with the silly HCP mode at least do it from back tees only.The solo society could have been so good but like many things in tgc 2019 its close to being interesting but just misses the mark.Courses like Royce's Augusta 19 with just one tee the AI really struggle with scoring and to be honest i have never understood how the course rating work.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2020 9:28:30 GMT -5
I just feel HB set the AI up all wrong it should have been done closer to the players HCP instead of the Course.I just find its way to frustrating that one event it can go well and enjoy it then others the AI are a mile off,I edited 350 legend Players call it the Legends Tour. Agreed on that point. The course/slope ratings are really wonky and don't reflect real life. I don't even know what the hell the slope ratings on this game are with how inconsistent it is yet they seem to have a huge effect on the AI. I'm having to be really careful with course selection and it sucks. Not sure I could have a proper Masters because both Royce and CLV's Augustas have handicaps over 80 which makes the AI shoot terribly. I'm currently playing the Sony Open at Silver Beach which has a 78 handicap and nobody shot better than +3 in the first round. I did have winds on very high and I shot -1, so maybe wind conditions effect scores as well? I'm not sure and I'll have to look into it more. It’s the bad/unrealistic slope ratings that are killing it. Magnolia National for instance is 81.2 which wouldn’t be too bad if it had a high slope above 113. But it doesn’t, it’s slope is 80 so the AI, even on Very Hard, sees a good score as +3. Here’s an example of how the three different slopes can effect the difference even with the same course rating; AI Very Hard player (+8.8 Hcp) 81.2/155 will on average hit 69 (-3) = Biggest Slope 81.2/113 will on average hit 72 (Par) = Average Slope 81.2/80 will on average hit 75 (+3) = Magnolia’s Slope. 81.2/55 will on average hit 77 (+5) = Lowest Slope The course ratings themselves aren’t too bad, it’s the combination with the slope rating which is. I also think there are slopes lower than 55 in the game which is just broken! Maybe they should have just given every course a 113 Slope and just calculated it based on course rating.
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Post by theduke21 on Mar 6, 2020 20:41:50 GMT -5
Yeah it's quite disappointing. I was having a fun time with it and it can be really good with the right slope rating courses. But when some of the biggest tournaments are completely uncompetitive it's hard to keep going at it.
Not to mention some of the AI's are way too consistently good. Most of the Tour seems balanced with a lot of random guys popping up from time to time. But Patrick Cantlay has turned into prime Tiger Woods during my season. Top 5 every tournament and basically wins if I don't win every time lol.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 4:21:44 GMT -5
I simmed thru 35 events and then put the top 300 WGR (only got as far as 205) from end of last year in, in points order.
I then played a 4-rounder at East Lake. Lanto Griffin, on hard difficulty, so at about +3hcp (who was ranked about 100) took home the surprised win at -17 whilst I came fifth at -10. The #1 Brooks Koepka hit about even par. That was a good tournamenf.
Now im halfway thru a Magnolia tournament and Tyrell Hatton, on very hard difficulty so at a better hcp level, is leading at +1 lol.
I get the idea of handicaps and slope ratings dictating scores. It’s a good idea. Just getting that slope rating on courses is broken. Be good if we could set our own slopes and whack Magnolia at 78.1/137 or something.
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Post by theduke21 on Mar 7, 2020 6:09:32 GMT -5
I simmed thru 35 events and then put the top 300 WGR (only got as far as 205) from end of last year in, in points order. I then played a 4-rounder at East Lake. Lanto Griffin, on hard difficulty, so at about +3hcp (who was ranked about 100) took home the surprised win at -17 whilst I came fifth at -10. The #1 Brooks Koepka hit about even par. That was a good tournamenf. Now im halfway thru a Magnolia tournament and Tyrell Hatton, on very hard difficulty so at a better hcp level, is leading at +1 lol. I get the idea of handicaps and slope ratings dictating scores. It’s a good idea. Just getting that slope rating on courses is broken. Be good if we could set our own slopes and whack Magnolia at 78.1/137 or something. Yeah the whole setup is quite close to being very good, just a few things with the course ratings and the player abilities could be a bit better. I also did the full OWGR along with some old veterans and it was a blast. But with Cantlay ruining things and some ridiculous scores, I didn't stay immersed too long. I also learned midway through that the tournament qualifications only applied to me, which made it pointless. Was quite excited about having realistic Tournament of Champions, WGC's, majors and playoffs. Instead it's just random fields of 156 no matter what. These are simple things that good developers could've probably fixed in a week.
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Post by Mr_brettly on Mar 7, 2020 15:59:26 GMT -5
I made the entire schedule (took 2.5 hours) and then simmed through the season to get realistic results so I could rename all of the players. But to do another season, I will have to spend another 2.5 hours to do the schedule all over again. I don’t understand why the developers couldn’t make it to where you could use the same schedule over and over versus using their crappy template. Love this game just didn’t quite think things all the way through.
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Post by HBirdman on Mar 7, 2020 16:21:35 GMT -5
I am getting ready to start a new season and was considering giving real names to the players. A couple of questions to anyone with experience/opinions: - As I am getting ready to begin my first PGA season, all the computer players already have handicaps. Do they tend to perform relatively in line with the handicaps they already have? (So the players who begin the season with better handicaps would be expected - over the course of the season - to perform better than the players with worse handicaps?) - Do the computer players' handicaps change during the season based on how they do? - Do the computer players stay consistent from season to season? So the better players from this season would generally be expected to be good again the next season?
Thank you. The answers to these questions may determine whether I want to take the time to rename a bunch of these guys.
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Post by theduke21 on Mar 7, 2020 17:47:21 GMT -5
I am getting ready to start a new season and was considering giving real names to the players. A couple of questions to anyone with experience/opinions: - As I am getting ready to begin my first PGA season, all the computer players already have handicaps. Do they tend to perform relatively in line with the handicaps they already have? (So the players who begin the season with better handicaps would be expected - over the course of the season - to perform better than the players with worse handicaps?) - Do the computer players' handicaps change during the season based on how they do? - Do the computer players stay consistent from season to season? So the better players from this season would generally be expected to be good again the next season? Thank you. The answers to these questions may determine whether I want to take the time to rename a bunch of these guys. Yes, yes and kinda yes? The ratings are dynamic to a degree. So I've had some of the highly rated players really struggle and become quite bad. For example, Rory has fallen down to a poor player after starting as my second rated player based on handicaps. I've also had some mediocre players jump up to great players. Overall I like the system there. The only issue is the top 2 or 3 guys are just way too good. Like I said, Cantlay was like my 10th ranked player but has basically finished inside the top 3 in every single event and his handicap is now ridiculous. The ratings will carry over to each season.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 22:14:23 GMT -5
Taking my scores out of the equation, the first page of the leaderboards looked like;
EAST LAKE GOLF CLUB 73.0/93 (Hard A.I.) 1: Lanto Griffin (-19) 2: Adam Long (-14) T3: Kyle Stanley (-13) T3: Daniel Berger (-13) T5: Lee Westwood (-10) T5: Scottie Scheffler (-10) T8: Bryson DeChambeau (-9) T8: Cameron Champ (-9) T8: Joachim B. Hansen (-9)
MAGNOLIA NATIONAL (TOUR) 81.2/70 (Very Hard A.I.) 1: Tyrell Hatton (+7) T2: Paul Casey (+13) T2: Webb Simpson (+13) T2: Cameron Smith (+13) 5: Shane Lowry (+14) 6: Adam Long (+16) T7: Paul Waring (+17) T7: Antoine Rozner (+17) T10: Justin Thomas (+18)
Magnolia is a beast for the AI lol. Good diversity between the two leaderboards though.
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Post by AintThatMint on Mar 10, 2020 18:11:56 GMT -5
That's good to know regarding entering edited players only. I am still around 100 players to go with my editing. Am I right in thinking the higher the handicap number the better the player is? Or is it opposite? Sorry for my ignorance regarding that. Also how do I tell what the handicap is for the course? Is it the number in the top right? I was already setting up an offline society to create a career mode. I am glad to see others doing this as well. I would be very interested in hearing about other people's career modes and how they are finding it. Take care for now and kind regards.
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Post by AintThatMint on Mar 15, 2020 20:34:00 GMT -5
I had already completed setting up my Career Mode on PS4 before I realised simming a few, if not the entire season, would give the golfers handicaps. From there I could have renamed the best ones to pretty much the real life rankings. Oh well, I can still sim the season and then rename a few.
I am about to start creating a Career Mode on PC as well. This time I will just set up the tour events and then sim the season one event at a time. Then I shall start renaming players.
Thank you for this thread by the way. It is really interesting to see how folk are getting on with their careers. Also it's great to compare notes with what others are finding out about their modes.
Many thanks and kind regards.
Edit: Just realised about the double posting. Apologies for that.
Edit 2: Just a quick update. I am not sure what others are finding out, but for me when my season finishes after the FedEx Tour Championship, I basically lose all the event schedule and all players handicaps return to their default state. It is as if I hadn't even created a schedule in the first place. So for me there is no carry over into another season. I have tried emailing the thread author to see if he had any advice but I am yet to have any feedback. I would be interested to hear how others have found this.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Mar 27, 2020 5:39:15 GMT -5
About the society offline i have a question. Months ago i played a pair of seasons in this way, using very difficult level for the AI. And, now, the best player has a HCP rating of +0,9. There is a way to return to a better HCP (something like it was at the start, +7,0 or something like this) of the field ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 9:06:43 GMT -5
About the society offline i have a question. Months ago i played a pair of seasons in this way, using very difficult level for the AI. And, now, the best player has a HCP rating of +0,9. There is a way to return to a better HCP (something like it was at the start, +7,0 or something like this) of the field ? The difficulty must have returned to easy. Once you change it to very hard you will get the better handicaps (+8 to +12s). To be honest, hard is probably the most realistic difficulty if you are going for real life PGA Tour difficulty. You want the +4 to +8s. Only problem is Course handicaps are butchered. Even the real courses in the game are incorrect to real life as most are not from the back tees, TPC Sawgrass’ rating (73.3/149) is taken from the blue tee and not the tips for example.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 9:08:31 GMT -5
Also, I have noticed that handicaps change per season. So Rory McIlroy may be the highest rated handicap player one season with +9.2 but then next season he will be +6.5 and Charley Hoffman or someone will be the higher rated player.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 9:17:08 GMT -5
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