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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 18:48:19 GMT -5
Congrats on the win Yaters, I came in to write this message after I saw your victory.
Was surprised to see the thing about the name change. So, just to clarify, I don't know anything about that, as I have nothing to do with that kind of thing. Several members of the DAM went through the same thing when we joined BCT, so we as the clique are not immune to those rules either. If I had to guess (and this is nothing more than theory), but when there are threads that become contested, the Admins end up seeing those threads, and then they likely see tour names or profile pics that they wouldn't have otherwise seen mixed in with the thousands of members. So the "coincidence" of the timing is an accurate theory, but the causality of the end result is likely different than what you suspect. I can assure you, not me, nor another member of the DAM clique has/had anything to do with that stuff.
Honestly, I promise I don't go around carrying a grudge and trying to mess anything up for anyone. What you have as your tour name is your business, I don't get involved in that.
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Post by tottenhamordie on Oct 24, 2019 1:33:05 GMT -5
Congrats on the win Yaters, I came in to write this message after I saw your victory. Was surprised to see the thing about the name change. So, just to clarify, I don't know anything about that, as I have nothing to do with that kind of thing. Several members of the DAM went through the same thing when we joined BCT, so we as the clique are not immune to those rules either. If I had to guess (and this is nothing more than theory), but when there are threads that become contested, the Admins end up seeing those threads, and then they likely see tour names or profile pics that they wouldn't have otherwise seen mixed in with the thousands of members. So the "coincidence" of the timing is an accurate theory, but the causality of the end result is likely different than what you suspect. I can assure you, not me, nor another member of the DAM clique has/had anything to do with that stuff. Honestly, I promise I don't go around carrying a grudge and trying to mess anything up for anyone. What you have as your tour name is your business, I don't get involved in that. Well Doyley is the one who changed it, after he said months ago that it was ok. He also just happened to be in that same thread the day I was forced to change it. It just wreaks abuse of admin power. And when I sent him a message to ask him why, he tried to pawn it off as "he's not the only one who makes that decision", but my email ticket literally says Doyley on it. Also never got an answer as to why it's not ok, other than "Tott" isn't a real name. When it actually is, it's German. Also never answered my question about why guys can be named Eric Estrada when he's literally a real life actor. When I was told we couldn't have actor names or characters in movies. As Doyley put it, "or else we would have 100 shooter mcgavins on tour". So ones ok but not the other. But hey, abuse that mod power because it's the only control you ever have... I knew it had nothing to do with you or anyone else. It's all on him, he makes the call, he has the power. He knew my name was Tott N. Hamm since I joined the tour last season. Suddenly its a problem. Interesting...
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Post by Ray on Oct 24, 2019 2:24:24 GMT -5
Not a great idea to call out Doyley mate. He’s one of the three people that set this whole shebang up. I’d suggest you make any complaints directly to him and not publicly. I’ve seen them flat out remove a dude for doing similar. No ban, no coming back - just gone.
Tread carefully man 🙏🏼
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Post by tottenhamordie on Oct 24, 2019 10:24:58 GMT -5
Not a great idea to call out Doyley mate. He’s one of the three people that set this whole shebang up. I’d suggest you make any complaints directly to him and not publicly. I’ve seen them flat out remove a dude for doing similar. No ban, no coming back - just gone. Tread carefully man 🙏🏼 I did message him directly, on two seperate occasions. Because he made me change it, so i changed it back to Tott N. Hamm. Then i was forced to change it again or I couldn't have my tour card. So I messaged him to ask if Vin Deisel was ok since Eric Estrada is apparently fine. I've said it before, I just call it like I see it. If people don't want to be "called out", then maybe they should think about stuff they do. Seems like some here have gotten cushy with the way things run, no one calls them out or questions them, so they assume they are in the right all the time. Well, that's not the world I live in.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 10:40:13 GMT -5
Tott,
I waited a few hours to reply so that I could think through my response and hopefully come across as a neutral party, because I know we've had our issues but I am not trying to be argumentative in the tone of my reply here. Anything I say is meant as a constructive dialogue in finding a solution to this for you.
I would actually agree with you that Eric Estrada (among others, if I look up and down every leaderboard) should be disallowed, I think that is a fair point. Since I do sit in on the TGCTours staff discussions with Admins behind the scenes, however, I can honestly tell you that Doyley does not make these decisions alone, and the three Admins work very well together to make fair decisions for the good of the tours. So he is not lying when he says things like that, I can assure you. All three of them are upstanding individuals from anything I've seen over my 3 years here.
Regarding the Estrada name and others, what I will say is that the Admins have given members the ability to change their profile name at any time, so people could be changing their names at any point without the Admins noticing, and quite honestly, they do not have the time to peruse leaderboards every week just to see what names break the rules. It's just not an efficient use of their skills and leadership at all, and I support that. So indeed, names like Eric Estrada or Tott N. Ham (a famous soccer team) will slide through the cracks for a long time. Avatars and profile pictures are the same way, in that they might not actually see somebody's forum picture for months, and then once they happen to come across it, might determine that it's offensive or inappropriate for this community. Are those subjective judgment calls? Yes, absolutely. But this is their organization and we are all voluntary members of it, so we must follow their rules.
The key is whether or not you feel that their rules are for the "good of the whole." I, for one, do, and that's why I support their decisions for TGCT policy. All I can say is that I assure you it is far more fair and balanced than what your assessment seems to be.
On a side note, but somewhat related I guess, is that I can see in your profile here on the forum you now have your TGCT Name as "Abuse of Power." I realize those are just words in the forum signature, but it's little things like that, along with your picture and your bio, etc. that continue to needle at the community and don't put you in an endearing position with others. Are there cliques and friend groups here, yes, I will fully admit there are, I'm done arguing over that. But I will say again, those friend groups are 'open' communities and sub-communities where all are welcomed in, through an organic process of just enjoying and sharing in a common interest, whether playing TGC2019 or designing for it. You would be more than welcomed in to any of those cliques or circles I'm sure if you had an approach that was a lot less "me against the world" most of the time. My interactions with you have been 95% dealing with what you DIDN'T like about something, rather than enjoying the tours or the designer together. I hope that resonates in some way and proves to be helpful in our interpersonal dynamic. As I said before, my goal is not to go around being exclusive with people and treat others like outsiders. Hopefully I'm seen by most as the exact opposite. Am I perfect? Definitely NOT, as my friend Ray can attest. But any time I mention things about what we try to do well for the community, it's only to point out that we do our best to make this a friendly and enjoyable place for everyone.
Thanks for listening.
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Post by SmilingGoats on Oct 24, 2019 19:20:08 GMT -5
Not a great idea to call out Doyley mate. He’s one of the three people that set this whole shebang up. I’d suggest you make any complaints directly to him and not publicly. I’ve seen them flat out remove a dude for doing similar. No ban, no coming back - just gone. Tread carefully man 🙏🏼 I did message him directly, on two seperate occasions. Because he made me change it, so i changed it back to Tott N. Hamm. Then i was forced to change it again or I couldn't have my tour card. So I messaged him to ask if Vin Deisel was ok since Eric Estrada is apparently fine. I've said it before, I just call it like I see it. If people don't want to be "called out", then maybe they should think about stuff they do. Seems like some here have gotten cushy with the way things run, no one calls them out or questions them, so they assume they are in the right all the time. Well, that's not the world I live in. Bro...I'm the one that told Doyley the name wasn't acceptable so you can call him out if you want but we're in agreement. Keep it up and we'll make this decision real easy.
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Post by Ray on Oct 24, 2019 19:48:19 GMT -5
The world we live in when we’re posting here is one the 3 founders created bro.
Might be time to take a week or two break from the forums if it’s only aggravating you and others man. Peace ✌🏼
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Post by tottenhamordie on Oct 24, 2019 20:10:51 GMT -5
The world we live in when we’re posting here is one the 3 founders created bro. Might be time to take a week or two break from the forums if it’s only aggravating you and others man. Peace ✌🏼
who said i was aggravated? dont get facts confused with being mad. its actually comical to me. every now and then i like to just get a little peek inside the logic. the new call of duty just dropped so i could careless any way. peace "bro"...
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Post by tottenhamordie on Oct 24, 2019 20:11:49 GMT -5
I did message him directly, on two seperate occasions. Because he made me change it, so i changed it back to Tott N. Hamm. Then i was forced to change it again or I couldn't have my tour card. So I messaged him to ask if Vin Deisel was ok since Eric Estrada is apparently fine. I've said it before, I just call it like I see it. If people don't want to be "called out", then maybe they should think about stuff they do. Seems like some here have gotten cushy with the way things run, no one calls them out or questions them, so they assume they are in the right all the time. Well, that's not the world I live in. Bro...I'm the one that told Doyley the name wasn't acceptable so you can call him out if you want but we're in agreement. Keep it up and we'll make this decision real easy.
so he was in agreement, but told me months ago it was fine? so, tell me again how im wrong? "bro"...
and fyi, Tott is a real name.
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Post by SmilingGoats on Oct 24, 2019 20:12:53 GMT -5
You're wrong because it's our sandbox and we make the rules. Don't like them, get your own sandbox.
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Post by tottenhamordie on Oct 24, 2019 20:14:17 GMT -5
You're wrong because it's our sandbox and we make the rules. Don't like them, get your own sandbox.
and Abus is also a real name. nice logic.
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Post by SmilingGoats on Oct 24, 2019 20:18:55 GMT -5
Abus E. Power clearly is trolling. Keep it up though...I'm certain this will end well for you.
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Post by tottenhamordie on Oct 24, 2019 20:23:25 GMT -5
Abus E. Power clearly is trolling. Keep it up though...I'm certain this will end well for you.
end well for me? lets see, ive been forced to change a name i had for months on the grounds of "its my sandbox", people dont like me here, and there is mud in the sandbox. so it was all going so well for me to begin with. threats usually work when the person you are threatening actually cares...
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Post by Terry Grayson on Oct 24, 2019 20:28:08 GMT -5
TOTT not understanding the "Sandbox" reference
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Post by tottenhamordie on Oct 24, 2019 20:33:35 GMT -5
TOTT not understanding the "Sandbox" reference
oh i got it. litter box was my first thought. but then i thought of a 10 year old, whos bigger than the other 10 year olds(that was me), and for those 30 minutes on the playground during recess he actually has some power over the smaller kids. a brief, fleeting glimpse at some actual power and control in his life...
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