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Post by Celtic Wolf on Oct 3, 2019 10:49:21 GMT -5
Whilst we can understand points made about wind and other settings it's not something that the designers can control. Although we can look at putting the default settings for green speeds nearer moderate as well as making the rough more forgiving. This thread is for what the designers can do to make the course more enjoyable.
What designers are encouraged to do is have their default green speed halfway between 2 settings, so the default setting will give the schedulers another option. A problem that seems to crop up is bumps in the middle of the fairway that can produce unpredictable results if a drive is a fraction off.
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Post by jwtexan on Oct 3, 2019 11:05:05 GMT -5
I'd say be sure to follow that guideline Wolf. Set your speed at something not default. But, something that has been suggested to me in the past and I think is a good idea is to build/design the greens on 187, and back them off just before publishing to your desired speed. That way, if a scheduler does decide to crank the settings up to 187, you will not have any unexpected illegal pins. I've been caught by this mistake in the past myself.
Another thing to do is make sure that your desired landing area is reachable on every hole no matter the wind speed or direction. The way to do this is playtest your course, but not in the design mode. You have to go to "play now" and in that area you can search my "my unpublished courses." If you do that, then you can change the wind speed and direction and "playtest" an unpublished course in a variety of settings that are not available in the design mode unfortunately. That is another tip that I wasn't aware of in building my first two courses.
Something else that doesn't make sense to me is forced course management. I love strategy, and angles, and finding the right spaces to play from. But things like forcing a 2 iron off the tee in order to force a 240+ approach into a par 4 is a turn off for me in design. Encourage course management, provide width, angles, make them think. Heck, my favorite thing to do is try to make you think you've made the right play off the tee, but if you didn't look towards the green it turns out the open, easier, or "auto driver use" area is usually attacking a tougher part of the green.
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Post by Celtic Wolf on Oct 3, 2019 17:36:11 GMT -5
Yeah I set my greens for Bayerischer to 170 I think, and I'm sure my last 2 were designed at 187 then slowed down for publish. The first thing I do after I pick my back tee area is measure the distance to the start of the fairway, normally the longest I'll go for is 180 odd yards which should even accommodate beginner clubs from the back tees.
Yeah I've got to agree with you on the forced course management, you shouldn't have to hit a longer club on your second shot compared to the first. What I've been trying to do with my current course is having a wood of the tee as the safe shot but if they go with driver they may have a difficult second shot.
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Post by lions67 on Oct 5, 2019 19:53:19 GMT -5
The tricked up courses. Enough already! Let’s play some RCR’s. Seriously... RCR’s. Plenty to choose from. Sick and tired of the lighthouse links style course. For the most part they all seem similar so they get boring.
I just want to play a normal course every now and then. So far this season that hasn’t really happened.
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Post by Celtic Wolf on Oct 6, 2019 2:39:54 GMT -5
The tricked up courses. Enough already! Let’s play some RCR’s. Seriously... RCR’s. Plenty to choose from. Sick and tired of the lighthouse links style course. For the most part they all seem similar so they get boring. I just want to play a normal course every now and then. So far this season that hasn’t really happened. RCRs are a good call, if you've got one in mind post it in the CC Course Suggestion thread. I think the schedulers are reluctant to use a LiDar RCR as they can crash on consoles, but I think a non-LiDar course would be good. This thread has been created to find out what designers can do when designing a course to make it more suitable for CC.
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Post by Celtic Wolf on Nov 28, 2019 18:16:50 GMT -5
Just to let people know that I'm taking their points on board and these ideas aren't forgotten. A point made by Oscar C was the need for a lay up area on par 5's, so when I designed this hole I had this in mind. There's a narrow approach to the left where players may go for the green in two, just in front of the green side bunkers I have a wide area of fairway for those who wish to lay up. I hope this might help some designers who want to get their course tour worthy.
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Post by MAJORHIGH on Jan 20, 2020 11:19:57 GMT -5
Just adding an idea I had when I use to pick the courses for the Web (Korn Ferry) way back in the day: Having a poll of about 5 courses put up each week by the Tour Commish for whatever tournament is 4 weeks away and have the votes hidden until the vote expires. So say you have courses A, B, C, D, E and course A wins with 40% of the vote, B gets 35%, then 10%, 10%, and 5% for the remaining 3. So for the next poll, obviously include B but drop E. So B, C, D, F, G becomes the next poll.
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Post by yeltzman on Mar 3, 2020 9:40:26 GMT -5
Just like to say thanks for picking Oak Hill CC (east) 2020 for week 31,Oak Hill in the past couple of weeks have released some pics of the new set up and the finished layout,There are some changes from the original plans on the finished version which i am currently working on don't think it will be done by week 31 so just letting anybody know or wonder if they have played oak hill in previous versions of TW series etc will be slightly different layout.An example below on original plans there was a bunker to the left of the new 6th green it seems they have gone for a slope to the water. www.oakhillcc.com/web/pages/east-course
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Post by zorbacles on Mar 4, 2020 6:29:05 GMT -5
Wind is the biggest thing for me. I don't think cc am should have high winds. Our at least only high wind for 1 round.
I've only played 2 rounds of this week's course but both rounds had winds over over 25kmh (15 miles). This is a bit much for is low players.
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Post by Celtic Wolf on Mar 4, 2020 7:01:46 GMT -5
Just like to say thanks for picking Oak Hill CC (east) 2020 for week 31,Oak Hill in the past couple of weeks have released some pics of the new set up and the finished layout,There are some changes from the original plans on the finished version which i am currently working on don't think it will be done by week 31 so just letting anybody know or wonder if they have played oak hill in previous versions of TW series etc will be slightly different layout.An example below on original plans there was a bunker to the left of the new 6th green it seems they have gone for a slope to the water. www.oakhillcc.com/web/pages/east-courseThis is the wrong thread Yeltz it should be posted in the CC Course Suggestion Thread.
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Post by Celtic Wolf on Mar 4, 2020 7:24:44 GMT -5
It seems I haven't been clear with the title of this thread, this was originally created for CC players and designers to discuss what makes a CC suitable course. Any ideas for course conditions, course suggestions or comments about tour selected courses should be posted elsewhere like the CC Course Suggestion thread.
I was hoping we could get our ideas and designing skills together to create courses with the CC players in mind. Currently I'm designing for myself with no ambitions of a tour spot or amount of plays, so I hope this thread may be useful for others.
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Post by lessangster on Mar 4, 2020 10:00:15 GMT -5
It seems I haven't been clear with the title of this thread, this was originally created for CC players and designers to discuss what makes a CC suitable course. Any ideas for course conditions, course suggestions or comments about tour selected courses should be posted elsewhere like the CC Course Suggestion thread. I was hoping we could get our ideas and designing skills together to create courses with the CC players in mind. Currently I'm designing for myself with no ambitions of a tour spot or amount of plays, so I hope this thread may be useful for others. No upturned bowl greens for me other than that carry on.
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Post by knickerbocker on Mar 19, 2020 8:12:52 GMT -5
Something else that doesn't make sense to me is forced course management. I love strategy, and angles, and finding the right spaces to play from. But things like forcing a 2 iron off the tee in order to force a 240+ approach into a par 4 is a turn off for me in design. Encourage course management, provide width, angles, make them think. Heck, my favorite thing to do is try to make you think you've made the right play off the tee, but if you didn't look towards the green it turns out the open, easier, or "auto driver use" area is usually attacking a tougher part of the green. Width and angles course design is a lost art. I love it!
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