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Post by stoner79 on Jul 11, 2020 11:37:49 GMT -5
Finished with -32. I can't remember the last time I dropped 10 shots in a comp. Any time I felt like I was gaining some momentum I'd go and throw it away with bogies, doubles or even a triple!
Great course though!
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Post by lessangster on Jul 12, 2020 9:25:41 GMT -5
Looks like my -41 is good enough for a promo mark 👍
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Post by jp44 on Jul 15, 2020 11:22:36 GMT -5
loved the course... despised the greens. -34 for the week will probably have me in purgatory.
Can anyone explain to me why we almost never play the tips in CC? Seems like almost every week the course is suited more to Pro club players than masters... even when it is far easier to play with pro clubs. Is it not fair to say that if you're playing with pro clubs you take the risk of not being able to reach long par 5s in exchange for nearly perfect tempo? Sorry if this is old news and I'm just beating a dead horse I just get confused how someone can play this game for so long and not switch up to Masters clubs. It's like putting the tees further up in a PGA event to accommodate for the shortest hitter.
Ready for 2K21 to be done with club sets... onwards
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Post by Art Vandelay on Jul 15, 2020 11:41:25 GMT -5
Threw in a pair of -8s to finish -29. Hoping for a sweet home purgatory finish!
Onward!
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Post by cephyn on Jul 15, 2020 11:51:48 GMT -5
loved the course... despised the greens. -34 for the week will probably have me in purgatory. Can anyone explain to me why we almost never play the tips in CC? Seems like almost every week the course is suited more to Pro club players than masters... even when it is far easier to play with pro clubs. Is it not fair to say that if you're playing with pro clubs you take the risk of not being able to reach long par 5s in exchange for nearly perfect tempo? Sorry if this is old news and I'm just beating a dead horse I just get confused how someone can play this game for so long and not switch up to Masters clubs. It's like putting the tees further up in a PGA event to accommodate for the shortest hitter. Ready for 2K21 to be done with club sets... onwards CC-Pro is pro clubs required, master clubs optional. Many of us never get good enough for masters clubs, and/or don't enjoy the game at that difficulty level.
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Post by jp44 on Jul 15, 2020 12:36:14 GMT -5
loved the course... despised the greens. -34 for the week will probably have me in purgatory. Can anyone explain to me why we almost never play the tips in CC? Seems like almost every week the course is suited more to Pro club players than masters... even when it is far easier to play with pro clubs. Is it not fair to say that if you're playing with pro clubs you take the risk of not being able to reach long par 5s in exchange for nearly perfect tempo? Sorry if this is old news and I'm just beating a dead horse I just get confused how someone can play this game for so long and not switch up to Masters clubs. It's like putting the tees further up in a PGA event to accommodate for the shortest hitter. Ready for 2K21 to be done with club sets... onwards CC-Pro is pro clubs required, master clubs optional. Many of us never get good enough for masters clubs, and/or don't enjoy the game at that difficulty level. Could be phrased just as easily as "Masters clubs required, pro clubs optional". Means the same thing. I get that its acceptable and my quip isn't so much with that you are allowed to use pro clubs but more so that the courses are set up for it. I see the point of CC-Pro and even Am as the most competitive way to have fun playing the game. It is also the only way to get through to pro-tours. If you lean more to the fun side of things that is obviously fine but i just don't think courses should be set up trying to give Pro clubs players a further advantage. On a course like this week where you have to land the ball within 5-10 feet of the pin to have a chance of having a put inside 20 feet I see pro clubs having a massive advantage. You can have a terrible swing plane / tempo and still hit your spot. A single speck of the line outside the cone on masters or a fast/slow will miss the target by a mile. All I'm trying to say is that it is acceptable by rule that people use proclubs but that should be where the advantage stops. No need to give them a shorter course as well. I personally don't buy into the narrative that people who play the game on proclubs for years or even just months couldn't get as good by just playing with masters clubs and spending some time getting used to it. Obviously it will be harder at first but the only way to improve at something is to keep trying even after failing. Its a personal thing but i've never understood playing any game consistently and not at the highest difficulty ESPECIALLY when you see yourself as competing. Regardless this will all (hopefully) be done with the next game and isn't really relevant considering we only have a few events left this season. Enjoy your proclubs while you can boys!
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Post by cephyn on Jul 15, 2020 13:04:59 GMT -5
No, you can't phrase it that way, since that's not how it works. You're expected (its not just 'accepted') to use pro clubs in the CC divisions, but you're allowed to use masters. It's meant to be not as difficult as the KF/Euro/PGA tours. It's literally the point of having them.
The courses aren't set up to give pro club players an "advantage" - they're set up this way because the CC tours are designed around pro club users. Masters clubs are optional.
The pro club/master club debate has been hashed TO DEATH - the end result is that masters clubs players don't compete for promotion marks against pro clubs players. they're on separate tracks. So none of your arguments matter - you're only competing against masters clubs users. Don't worry so much about it. It doesn't matter.
I've played every TGC game. Years. I'm only good enough to play pro clubs. Masters clubs arent fun for me. I play this game for fun. I'm glad there's a place for people like me on TGCT. So yeah its a personal thing that you can't understand how to play the game any other way than the way you play it. Keep trying though.
Enjoy your condescending masters attitude while you can! You weren't competing against pro clubs users anyway!
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Post by jp44 on Jul 15, 2020 13:23:19 GMT -5
No, you can't phrase it that way, since that's not how it works. You're expected (its not just 'accepted') to use pro clubs in the CC divisions, but you're allowed to use masters. It's meant to be not as difficult as the KF/Euro/PGA tours. It's literally the point of having them. The courses aren't set up to give pro club players an "advantage" - they're set up this way because the CC tours are designed around pro club users. Masters clubs are optional. The pro club/master club debate has been hashed TO DEATH - the end result is that masters clubs players don't compete for promotion marks against pro clubs players. they're on separate tracks. So none of your arguments matter - you're only competing against masters clubs users. Don't worry so much about it. It doesn't matter. I've played every TGC game. Years. I'm only good enough to play pro clubs. Masters clubs arent fun for me. I play this game for fun. I'm glad there's a place for people like me on TGCT. So yeah its a personal thing that you can't understand how to play the game any other way than the way you play it. Keep trying though. Enjoy your condescending masters attitude while you can! You weren't competing against pro clubs users anyway! Well, lets go take a look at the main information page.... www.tgctours.com/Home/RulesPolicies . Kindly go down to the clubset section: Clubsets Pro Tours (PGA, European, Korn Ferry): Use of Master clubset is mandatory Challenge Circuit: Use of Pro or Masters clubsets is mandatory Beginner Club Tour: Use of Beginner clubset is mandatory Alright glad we got that out of the way. Please explain to me how you are supposed to get to the Pro tours without going through CC? CC is the only path to the pro's im aware of. I'm new here and aware it has been beaten to death. I mentioned that in my first post. "The courses aren't set up to give pro club players an "advantage" - they're set up this way because the CC tours are designed around pro club users. Masters clubs are optional." This is just nonsense. The fact you claim they are designed around pro clubs user suggests that you too think it is an advantage. Perhaps I'm reading it wrong? You are correct that we do not compete for promo marks, however we do compete for demo marks. So on a week like this where we are playing the short tees with heinous greens and I didn't have a crazy good round, I will be fighting off demo marks with pro clubs users and the rest of the field. I wasn't trying to be condescending by any means was just stating my opinion. I am curious though... how many rounds do you think you have played with Masters Clubs? How long into trying it did you decide it was too hard and switch back to pro? Genuinely curious. Every one is entitled to play the game how they like, hope you enjoy the new one too.
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Post by lessangster on Jul 15, 2020 14:09:15 GMT -5
No, you can't phrase it that way, since that's not how it works. You're expected (its not just 'accepted') to use pro clubs in the CC divisions, but you're allowed to use masters. It's meant to be not as difficult as the KF/Euro/PGA tours. It's literally the point of having them. The courses aren't set up to give pro club players an "advantage" - they're set up this way because the CC tours are designed around pro club users. Masters clubs are optional. The pro club/master club debate has been hashed TO DEATH - the end result is that masters clubs players don't compete for promotion marks against pro clubs players. they're on separate tracks. So none of your arguments matter - you're only competing against masters clubs users. Don't worry so much about it. It doesn't matter. I've played every TGC game. Years. I'm only good enough to play pro clubs. Masters clubs arent fun for me. I play this game for fun. I'm glad there's a place for people like me on TGCT. So yeah its a personal thing that you can't understand how to play the game any other way than the way you play it. Keep trying though. Enjoy your condescending masters attitude while you can! You weren't competing against pro clubs users anyway! Well, lets go take a look at the main information page.... www.tgctours.com/Home/RulesPolicies . Kindly go down to the clubset section: Clubsets Pro Tours (PGA, European, Korn Ferry): Use of Master clubset is mandatory Challenge Circuit: Use of Pro or Masters clubsets is mandatory Beginner Club Tour: Use of Beginner clubset is mandatory Alright glad we got that out of the way. Please explain to me how you are supposed to get to the Pro tours without going through CC? CC is the only path to the pro's im aware of. I'm new here and aware it has been beaten to death. I mentioned that in my first post. "The courses aren't set up to give pro club players an "advantage" - they're set up this way because the CC tours are designed around pro club users. Masters clubs are optional." This is just nonsense. The fact you claim they are designed around pro clubs user suggests that you too think it is an advantage. Perhaps I'm reading it wrong? You are correct that we do not compete for promo marks, however we do compete for demo marks. So on a week like this where we are playing the short tees with heinous greens and I didn't have a crazy good round, I will be fighting off demo marks with pro clubs users and the rest of the field. I wasn't trying to be condescending by any means was just stating my opinion. I am curious though... how many rounds do you think you have played with Masters Clubs? How long into trying it did you decide it was too hard and switch back to pro? Genuinely curious. Every one is entitled to play the game how they like, hope you enjoy the new one too. If we had played this weeks course off it’s full length of 7500+ yds would you have said the course was setup for pro club players. Even off the second longest tees it’s over 7200+ yds which is still considered long for pro clubs. I will tell you the reasons I don’t use master clubs, 1 is I’m on Xbox and as we know tempo is not the same across the formats but that argument has been done to death. The second reason is as you said this week your competing to avoid demo marks, when you can play a tournament with master clubs and possibly end up at or near the bottom and pick up three demo marks in one week that doesn’t exactly give you any incentive to play masters at least it doesn’t for me. As there are only 5 events left of the season before the new game comes out I’m considering using master clubs until the end of the season and i recon I will drop down at least two flights. At the start of this season I started it playing master clubs in cc-A I dropped down to C pretty quickly so I switched back to pro clubs to stop me dropping any further. Tempo issues are no fun. I got promoted back to B in the promo events and have remained firmly mid table the rest of the season not even threatening master club players from gaining a promo mark. I just thought I would weigh in with my comments if you don’t agree with them that’s fine we can agree to disagree
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Post by jp44 on Jul 15, 2020 15:36:34 GMT -5
Well, lets go take a look at the main information page.... www.tgctours.com/Home/RulesPolicies . Kindly go down to the clubset section: Clubsets Pro Tours (PGA, European, Korn Ferry): Use of Master clubset is mandatory Challenge Circuit: Use of Pro or Masters clubsets is mandatory Beginner Club Tour: Use of Beginner clubset is mandatory Alright glad we got that out of the way. Please explain to me how you are supposed to get to the Pro tours without going through CC? CC is the only path to the pro's im aware of. I'm new here and aware it has been beaten to death. I mentioned that in my first post. "The courses aren't set up to give pro club players an "advantage" - they're set up this way because the CC tours are designed around pro club users. Masters clubs are optional." This is just nonsense. The fact you claim they are designed around pro clubs user suggests that you too think it is an advantage. Perhaps I'm reading it wrong? You are correct that we do not compete for promo marks, however we do compete for demo marks. So on a week like this where we are playing the short tees with heinous greens and I didn't have a crazy good round, I will be fighting off demo marks with pro clubs users and the rest of the field. I wasn't trying to be condescending by any means was just stating my opinion. I am curious though... how many rounds do you think you have played with Masters Clubs? How long into trying it did you decide it was too hard and switch back to pro? Genuinely curious. Every one is entitled to play the game how they like, hope you enjoy the new one too. If we had played this weeks course off it’s full length of 7500+ yds would you have said the course was setup for pro club players. Even off the second longest tees it’s over 7200+ yds which is still considered long for pro clubs. I will tell you the reasons I don’t use master clubs, 1 is I’m on Xbox and as we know tempo is not the same across the formats but that argument has been done to death. The second reason is as you said this week your competing to avoid demo marks, when you can play a tournament with master clubs and possibly end up at or near the bottom and pick up three demo marks in one week that doesn’t exactly give you any incentive to play masters at least it doesn’t for me. As there are only 5 events left of the season before the new game comes out I’m considering using master clubs until the end of the season and i recon I will drop down at least two flights. At the start of this season I started it playing master clubs in cc-A I dropped down to C pretty quickly so I switched back to pro clubs to stop me dropping any further. Tempo issues are no fun. I got promoted back to B in the promo events and have remained firmly mid table the rest of the season not even threatening master club players from gaining a promo mark. I just thought I would weigh in with my comments if you don’t agree with them that’s fine we can agree to disagree I should have been more clear when saying "set up" I mainly mean the yardage, yes. I'm saying because it was set up on the more forward tees it takes away the distance disadvantage to pro-players. I believe putting is easier on pro clubs but I'm not sure if that a fact so I cant be definitive but if so, shorter tees and faster greens are two factors that nullify the disadvantages of using pro clubs. In that you can reach all long par-5s and even though putting is at its hardest of 187, it is still easier than the masters club players. I do appreciate your opinion though cus I am also a fellow xbox player and constantly struggling with random very fasts and even just the tempo sensitivity. I didn't know of or join TGC Tours until after i had played career mode and started using masters clubs. When i joined i noticed people were using pro clubs and so i checked it out a bit and read the history of the debate and how the promo marks have been altered so its only pro vs pro and master vs master for promos (for the most part). I haven't heard much in regards to the forward tee aspect of things and fully disagree with what Cephyn said above that: "You're expected (its not just 'accepted') to use pro clubs in the CC divisions, but you're allowed to use masters. It's meant to be not as difficult as the KF/Euro/PGA tours. It's literally the point of having them.
The courses aren't set up to give pro club players an "advantage" - they're set up this way because the CC tours are designed around pro club users. Masters clubs are optional. "
Again its all mostly irrelevant now because the new game will be so much different but just a minor thing I have an issue with. Trust me, I'm trash lol! I've been on the verge of switching to Pro clubs for the last couple weeks but have talked myself out of it every week. I can't knock anyone for playing pro clubs on Xbox or PC i just dont think CC courses should be played from anything but the tips. Anyhow, im new here and probably banging a drum that needs no more banging so I'll let it go. Less, great job on the -41 last week mate!
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Post by lessangster on Jul 15, 2020 15:50:20 GMT -5
If we had played this weeks course off it’s full length of 7500+ yds would you have said the course was setup for pro club players. Even off the second longest tees it’s over 7200+ yds which is still considered long for pro clubs. I will tell you the reasons I don’t use master clubs, 1 is I’m on Xbox and as we know tempo is not the same across the formats but that argument has been done to death. The second reason is as you said this week your competing to avoid demo marks, when you can play a tournament with master clubs and possibly end up at or near the bottom and pick up three demo marks in one week that doesn’t exactly give you any incentive to play masters at least it doesn’t for me. As there are only 5 events left of the season before the new game comes out I’m considering using master clubs until the end of the season and i recon I will drop down at least two flights. At the start of this season I started it playing master clubs in cc-A I dropped down to C pretty quickly so I switched back to pro clubs to stop me dropping any further. Tempo issues are no fun. I got promoted back to B in the promo events and have remained firmly mid table the rest of the season not even threatening master club players from gaining a promo mark. I just thought I would weigh in with my comments if you don’t agree with them that’s fine we can agree to disagree I should have been more clear when saying "set up" I mainly mean the yardage, yes. I'm saying because it was set up on the more forward tees it takes away the distance disadvantage to pro-players. I believe putting is easier on pro clubs but I'm not sure if that a fact so I cant be definitive but if so, shorter tees and faster greens are two factors that nullify the disadvantages of using pro clubs. In that you can reach all long par-5s and even though putting is at its hardest of 187, it is still easier than the masters club players. I do appreciate your opinion though cus I am also a fellow xbox player and constantly struggling with random very fasts and even just the tempo sensitivity. I didn't know of or join TGC Tours until after i had played career mode and started using masters clubs. When i joined i noticed people were using pro clubs and so i checked it out a bit and read the history of the debate and how the promo marks have been altered so its only pro vs pro and master vs master for promos (for the most part). I haven't heard much in regards to the forward tee aspect of things and fully disagree with what Cephyn said above that: "You're expected (its not just 'accepted') to use pro clubs in the CC divisions, but you're allowed to use masters. It's meant to be not as difficult as the KF/Euro/PGA tours. It's literally the point of having them.
The courses aren't set up to give pro club players an "advantage" - they're set up this way because the CC tours are designed around pro club users. Masters clubs are optional. "
Again its all mostly irrelevant now because the new game will be so much different but just a minor thing I have an issue with. Trust me, I'm trash lol! I've been on the verge of switching to Pro clubs for the last couple weeks but have talked myself out of it every week. I can't knock anyone for playing pro clubs on Xbox or PC i just dont think CC courses should be played from anything but the tips. Anyhow, im new here and probably banging a drum that needs no more banging so I'll let it go. Less, great job on the -41 last week mate! It’s ok mate I understand what your saying, last week was a good week for me I gained only my second promo Mark this season in normal play but this week I’m back to mediocrity might just scrape by getting a demo mark if I score well last two rounds. What I’m finding about a lot of these courses we’ve played this year are the conditions they set the first couple of rounds as, lots of them have been medium fairways meaning you don’t get much run on a pro club driver and what you have to remember is that on firm fast greens pro clubs don’t stop as quick so unless your great at working out the role out of clubs your not getting an advantage. As regards masters and pro putting I don’t find any different as a straight line is easier to hit on the putting stroke. I admire you for sticking with it using master clubs I absolutely love playing with them if I get no tempo issues but that’s a very rare round.
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Post by stoner79 on Jul 16, 2020 7:52:49 GMT -5
First round -8, second round -10
Very happy with that considering how much I dislike & struggle on 187 green speeds!
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travistock7
Weekend Golfer
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Post by travistock7 on Jul 17, 2020 8:51:40 GMT -5
Putter went cold in final two rounds...hoping to avoid red arrow and maybe get a green at -30
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Post by lessangster on Jul 20, 2020 5:46:00 GMT -5
Started well this week with a -12 8 birds 2 eagles I like Pat’s courses they play fair. Celtic Wolf.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Jul 22, 2020 18:11:03 GMT -5
jp44 Although is absolutely true that this debate is very long and old..and although i totally agree with the point of view clearly explained by cephyn, i also think there is something extremely true, for me, in your thought..and this is also, personally at least, the only real serious flaw that should be fixed too, from the start, when the new promo/demo mark system has been implemented months ago (and that should be absolutely fixed for the next season, if for some reason we should encounter again this kind of issues between clubs or any stuff like this) and is the fact that, in the same way there is a different standing for the promo mark, there should be a different standing for the demo marks too. This is the only seriously unfair difference i can see. Ah, no..is maybe even more unfair the fact that who don't complete a tournament receives a demo mark less than a player who accepts a very bad final standing. This failure in the system is a clear invitation to act in an unfair way for unfair people..and here we should give some prize more to the fair play. Anyway...about the gap of distance, is true that to play from shorter tees can be a big help for pro clubs players, but is also true that we Master club players can stop our ball in an easier way than pro club players. I mean..without the issue with the random fast/slow downswing and the disparity between systems, there would be not so much difference between clubs. And..you are correct when you point out there is not a rule about the fact that CC-Pro is mainly for Pro club players, but we can consider it as some kind of unwritten rule..or a gentlemen agreement if you prefer..created having in mind simply that we already have 3 flights for Master Club players only. And, if i admire your patience and committment to play the game on XBox with Master clubs, i can easily understand the point of view of who, like cephyn, can't find any joy playing the game in that way. This is a good compromize, after all. In conclusion, things here are still far from perfection, but we have the great luck to have admins and a community of people who pushes really hard trying always to improve, when/where is possible. We can be optimistic for the future
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