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Post by zzfr33b1rdzz on Aug 19, 2019 22:10:13 GMT -5
If 2K is in talks about licensing, then maybe we'll be able to buy it back as DLC, LOL, ridiculous. I suppose there is no problem naming the course Ailongam National, or Agnoliama.....just sayin'.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2019 23:26:34 GMT -5
Buy it back from whom? I’d like to take the optimistic view and think this is preparations for a 2K official Masters event in the next game, but CLV’s version is the best version already, so who made the version they’ll go to production with? Look at their PGA dog tracks in the game that weren’t made by community designers. 🤮
Point is, this community of designers are the ones who created the HB Official courses for them, we’re the ones that do the best RCRs, and we keep this game relevant month after month by essentially creating new content for HB to benefit from. This is a “living” game due to the course designer program.
On the pessimistic side of things, this game dies without a course designer. If they remove that, it’s only a matter of time before 2K turns this into an EA arcade style golf game.
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Post by titaneddie on Aug 20, 2019 0:06:42 GMT -5
Look at their PGA dog tracks in the game that weren’t made by community designers. 🤮 Point is, this community of designers are the ones who created the HB Official courses for them, we’re the ones that do the best RCRs, and we keep this game relevant month after month by essentially creating new content for HB to benefit from. This is a “living” game due to the course designer program. On the pessimistic side of things, this game dies without a course designer. If they remove that, it’s only a matter of time before 2K turns this into an EA arcade style golf game. I agree Eric, but I've thought for some time that perhaps the course designer wasn't in their long term plans. Dipping their toes in for this version probably opened some eyes over there how its probably not as easy to do as their mighty leader may have thought. I also find it strange (although maybe i miss the posts) is how rarely if at all any hb dev acknowledge or even leave a comment on the great work designers do in course threads. When you have people creating content for your game (granted most designers do it out of enjoyment anyway) why not at show at least some appreciation. Im almost led to think this is purposely not done for whatever reason. The way they operate is very odd to say the least....as they usually do...
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Post by mrohde4 on Aug 20, 2019 0:13:23 GMT -5
ANGC is being incredibly petty, but asking HB to take action isn't surprising. Golf course design and architecture can be considered "trade dress" which is a legal term for a product's total image and overall appearance like the color combinations, graphics and shapes. Trade dress is different than a product's trademark, but the owner can claim their trade dress is being infringed if the trade dress are inherently distinctive or have achieved secondary meaning in the public's mind. Think giant yellow arches to signify a restaurant. Here is a really long case from 1998 that discusses famous golf course design and characteristics as trade dress. Brew some coffee. When you add up the totality of Royce's or CLV's layout, hole designs, bunker placement, elevations, colors, and course features like the Hogan Bridge and Ray's Creek, you get ANGC trade dress living openly as a software file accessible to anyone with TGC2019 and an internet connection. Add the fact that a golf simulation is playable on these files, and it's kinda surprising this hasn't happened sooner. ANGC has also sued computer game manufacturers that used their logo and course design in the past. (See link in previous post). You could argue that nobody is buying TGC2019 specifically to play these courses, and that HB hasn't received a windfall of sales because of these courses, but those arguments are kind of irrelevant. A company can claim their trade dress has been diluted, a legal way of arguing one company’s actions impair the distinctiveness of another company’s products. Even though HB didn't create the files, they hosted them and knew about their existence. Companies have the right to protect against dilution by controlling how their trade dress is packaged and presented to the consuming public. Even so, it's hard to argue the TGC series hasn't been enhanced and more successful because of these files. Does it suck? Absolutely. HB/2K probably received a C&D and made a tactical conclusion that the pile of legal defense fees wasn't worth a likely losing battle. My solution: Pray the files aren't removed completely and play whack-a-mole with different identifiers.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 0:21:07 GMT -5
They can't talk about RCRs. They never would sticky my thread on RCRs on 19. They did on 2 without the PGA license. Look back to the future.
End of the day if Augusta got it pulled then so be it. It's a compliment to how accurate some designers can be.
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Post by b101 on Aug 20, 2019 1:37:29 GMT -5
Look at their PGA dog tracks in the game that weren’t made by community designers. 🤮 And some of those that were *coughdevonquarrycough*
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Post by linkslover on Aug 20, 2019 2:15:24 GMT -5
I suppose there is no problem naming the course Ailongam National, or Agnoliama.....just sayin'. Or Feck Off ANGC
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Aug 20, 2019 4:09:13 GMT -5
I wonder if ANGC is a blocked name that can be used?
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Post by gdog on Aug 20, 2019 4:24:52 GMT -5
**** HB Studios Ok deleteing Augusta is one thing. Removing CLVs Magnolias is dubious at best. But to censor the word Magnolia is way too far. We have 2 courses on our database with magnolia in the title that have nothing to do with Augusta. RTJ Trail -Magnolia Grove - www.tgctours.com/Course/Details/21131Magnolia Meadows - www.tgctours.com/Course/Details/20989These courses are now almost unsearchable. I'd be pretty pissed if I was one of these guys who had spent 10s if not 100s of hours on these. Do ANGC own the trademark to the word Magnolia? The fact that HB haven't responded to any of this is beyond unprofessional at this point. It's been no secret that we had versions of Augusta in the game. Hell even a golf magazine did an article on this. Fantastic read if you haven't read it. A couple of highlights Read it all here imgur.com/a/L8RguE0
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Post by chasw on Aug 20, 2019 6:34:00 GMT -5
**** HB Studios Ok deleteing Augusta is one thing. Removing CLVs Magnolias is dubious at best. But to censor the word Magnolia is way too far. We have 2 courses on our database with magnolia in the title that have nothing to do with Augusta. RTJ Trail -Magnolia Grove - www.tgctours.com/Course/Details/21131Magnolia Meadows - www.tgctours.com/Course/Details/20989These courses are now almost unsearchable. I'd be pretty pissed if I was one of these guys who had spent 10s if not 100s of hours on these. Do ANGC own the trademark to the word Magnolia? The fact that HB haven't responded to any of this is beyond unprofessional at this point. It's been no secret that we had versions of Augusta in the game. Hell even a golf magazine did an article on this. Fantastic read if you haven't read it. A couple of highlights Read it all here imgur.com/a/L8RguE0I agree.My RTJ Trail-Magnolia Grove course is a real Robert Trent Jones course that is part of the Robert Trent Jones Golf Trail of Alabama.If Augusta thought they had some legal right to the word Magnolia they would have sued this real course to change the name.To clarify Magnolia Grove is actually a complex of 3 courses,two 18 hole courses and one Par 3.The course I designed is actually called The Crossings Course but I could not fit the name into the short name field they provide unless I left off the RTG Trail which I thought was necessary....PS:Alabama has as many magnolias as Georgia
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Post by moneyman273 on Aug 20, 2019 7:24:02 GMT -5
**** HB Studios Ok deleteing Augusta is one thing. Removing CLVs Magnolias is dubious at best. But to censor the word Magnolia is way too far.We have 2 courses on our database with magnolia in the title that have nothing to do with Augusta. RTJ Trail -Magnolia Grove - www.tgctours.com/Course/Details/21131Magnolia Meadows - www.tgctours.com/Course/Details/20989These courses are now almost unsearchable. I'd be pretty pissed if I was one of these guys who had spent 10s if not 100s of hours on these. Do ANGC own the trademark to the word Magnolia?The fact that HB haven't responded to any of this is beyond unprofessional at this point.It's been no secret that we had versions of Augusta in the game. Hell even a golf magazine did an article on this. Fantastic read if you haven't read it. A couple of highlights Read it all here imgur.com/a/L8RguE0In red.
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Post by b101 on Aug 20, 2019 7:33:25 GMT -5
**** HB Studios Ok deleteing Augusta is one thing. Removing CLVs Magnolias is dubious at best. But to censor the word Magnolia is way too far. We have 2 courses on our database with magnolia in the title that have nothing to do with Augusta. RTJ Trail -Magnolia Grove - www.tgctours.com/Course/Details/21131Magnolia Meadows - www.tgctours.com/Course/Details/20989These courses are now almost unsearchable. I'd be pretty pissed if I was one of these guys who had spent 10s if not 100s of hours on these. Do ANGC own the trademark to the word Magnolia? The fact that HB haven't responded to any of this is beyond unprofessional at this point. It's been no secret that we had versions of Augusta in the game. Hell even a golf magazine did an article on this. Fantastic read if you haven't read it. A couple of highlights Read it all here imgur.com/a/L8RguE0For all the downbeat stuff in this thread, that article is just awesome. Thanks for sharing and love this theclv24
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Post by grinder12000 on Aug 20, 2019 7:34:11 GMT -5
To be honest this does not surprise me at all. What surprised me was that there WAS any Augusta at all. I’ve been virtual golfing for 25 years, even on green screens and anything Augusta alway disappeared if it was ever allowed.
Augusta are a bunch of arse holes. I mean they did not let Presidents play the course for gosh sake. Or blacks or woman for a very very long time.
The disgusting part is how HB handled it. Augusta is not part of the PGA so I can see how the dicks at Augusta have the power of massive amounts of money and lawyered up.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 7:49:55 GMT -5
This thread just jumped into the middle of a problem. But what exactly is the issue. I could not find it. What exactly are we losing. Is there a link? Are you high?
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Post by grinder12000 on Aug 20, 2019 7:51:02 GMT -5
This thread just jumped into the middle of a problem. But what exactly is the issue. I could not find it. What exactly are we losing. Is there a link? Are you high? Not yet. I just woke up. I had to go to HB to find the answer
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