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Post by cephyn on Aug 23, 2019 10:53:13 GMT -5
Another strange thing is that I found a bunch of courses that actually have more than 300 plays (320-350) but still are not handicapped. But I suppose that the game will update them, at some point.. Shaun was saying, if those plays aren't qualified stroke play, they don't count towards handicapping. So, 9 hole game, stableford, match play - those all count as plays but not towards HCP calculation. |
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Aug 23, 2019 10:58:10 GMT -5
HB Shaun - "Thanks for the information." Cool. How many chances there are that they will fix something, especially if is true that a new game is ready to be launched in some month? I think they cares absolutely zero about this game. (not that it was so different, before...👀) We can only do the best we can with what we have and enjoy it the most we can. Unless is not a new game, that is ready, but some kind of patch. Maybe available only paying? And I don't know why, but this is my feeling. But only cause it sounds a bit more logic that what it seems we have here. I can't explain otherwise why to delete courses and to obscure words in an "old" game. It would be totally senseless, for me. Even considering the issue with copyrights etc.. |
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Aug 23, 2019 10:59:06 GMT -5
Another strange thing is that I found a bunch of courses that actually have more than 300 plays (320-350) but still are not handicapped. But I suppose that the game will update them, at some point.. Shaun was saying, if those plays aren't qualified stroke play, they don't count towards handicapping. So, 9 hole game, stableford, match play - those all count as plays but not towards HCP calculation. This makes sense. Totally. Thank you  |
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Post by chasw on Aug 23, 2019 11:18:53 GMT -5
Another strange thing is that I found a bunch of courses that actually have more than 300 plays (320-350) but still are not handicapped. But I suppose that the game will update them, at some point.. ShaunW mentioned what caused that also in his post at the HB forum |
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Post by NobleMan on Aug 25, 2019 17:09:37 GMT -5
No courses are updating. None of my courses have updated in 2 weeks. Handicapped or not. You can have 5000 plays, but if it did not have 300 unique players finishing 18 holes of stroke play, they will not count.
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Post by DDawg on Aug 26, 2019 7:50:03 GMT -5
appears to have stopped on the 12th of ****** (the 8th month of the year, 2019)
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Post by NobleMan on Aug 26, 2019 14:00:21 GMT -5
appears to have stopped on the 12th of ****** (the 8th month of the year, 2019) Exactly Dawg. It is Monday two weeks ago from today. |
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Post by gregfordyce on Aug 29, 2019 15:03:19 GMT -5
Still not fixed. Shocker. From a designer's perspective, plays are about the only way to determine if your hard work has had any reward (other than the joy of designing, of course) and impact on the community that you designed it for. And now HB has taken even that away....not scoring a heck of a lot of points with me.
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Post by chasw on Aug 29, 2019 19:15:43 GMT -5
Still not fixed. Shocker. From a designer's perspective, plays are about the only way to determine if your hard work has had any reward (other than the joy of designing, of course) and impact on the community that you designed it for. And now HB has taken even that away....not scoring a heck of a lot of points with me. I agree. |
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Post by lastchancehombre on Aug 30, 2019 10:21:27 GMT -5
It's pretty damn pathetic. It's a server/game bug & they know it.....or maybe they never paid any attention to the multiple posts about it in their own bug report section. Dismal support practices for a product!!
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Post by gregfordyce on Aug 30, 2019 18:51:14 GMT -5
Pretty obvious they just don't give a damn. And it is apparently selective - some people ARE showing actual counts. So how is that even possible? I have PC friends who are showing daily count increases, and other PC friends (myself included) who show the same count as 3 weeks ago. If I didn't know better, I would say that HB is actively suppressing play counts on people who have been critical of them on their forum or for some other reason? Actually, how do we not know that is not the case? I'm not a programmer, but how can you have a metric that works for some courses and not for others, on the same game? Selective programming code?? Please. Either the sh%$ works for all courses or it works for none. Even I know that much. And if I'm wrong - then fix it, HB. There have been enough complaints about this issue that they should actually give a damn. But they don't.
This is kind of a deal-breaker for me guys. In this day and age I expect the companies that I spend money with to provide top-notch customer service. That's capitalism - you either do it and succeed, or you don't and you get buried by your competitor. And make no mistake - another company WILL come along someday and fill the niche left by HB in the golf video game market if they blow it. And they ARE blowing it in my opinion. It's a fantastic game, and the designer is awesome - but I expect MORE from companies I give my money to. When we consumer say "no biggie, I'm ok with them being douches, I'll just keep giving them my money because I like the product for the most part, bugs and all," then we just encourage them to keep dicking us over. Lowering the bar as far as possible just sets the precedent that they can keep it as low as they want. What is their motivation to improve?
I expect better. My $$ is peanuts to them in the grander scheme, but they are losing me as a customer if they don't step up and start showing they give a damn about their customers. Absolutely HORRIBLE customer service. I'm fed the &#$@ up.
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Post by chasw on Aug 30, 2019 19:47:07 GMT -5
Pretty obvious they just don't give a damn. And it is apparently selective - some people ARE showing actual counts. So how is that even possible? I have PC friends who are showing daily count increases, and other PC friends (myself included) who show the same count as 3 weeks ago. If I didn't know better, I would say that HB is actively suppressing play counts on people who have been critical of them on their forum or for some other reason? Actually, how do we not know that is not the case? I'm not a programmer, but how can you have a metric that works for some courses and not for others, on the same game? Selective programming code?? Please. Either the sh%$ works for all courses or it works for none. Even I know that much. And if I'm wrong - then fix it, HB. There have been enough complaints about this issue that they should actually give a damn. But they don't. This is kind of a deal-breaker for me guys. In this day and age I expect the companies that I spend money with to provide top-notch customer service. That's capitalism - you either do it and succeed, or you don't and you get buried by your competitor. And make no mistake - another company WILL come along someday and fill the niche left by HB in the golf video game market if they blow it. And they ARE blowing it in my opinion. It's a fantastic game, and the designer is awesome - but I expect MORE from companies I give my money to. When we consumer say "no biggie, I'm ok with them being douches, I'll just keep giving them my money because I like the product for the most part, bugs and all," then we just encourage them to keep dicking us over. Lowering the bar as far as possible just sets the precedent that they can keep it as low as they want. What is their motivation to improve? I expect better. My $$ is peanuts to them in the grander scheme, but they are losing me as a customer if they don't step up and start showing they give a damn about their customers. Absolutely HORRIBLE customer service. I'm fed the &#$@ up. I think that most courses update the first few days after they are published but after some arbitrary time limit they have imposed,say 1 week,the course has to have a certain number of daily plays for the counts to increase.For example if the course you designed is averaging 25 new plays a day but HB has programmed in a minimum of 50 new plays a day then the course doesn't update.Just a theory but this update problem has been around at least since TGC 2.All my courses are in the same boat and I am on PS4. |
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Post by gregfordyce on Aug 31, 2019 5:08:06 GMT -5
Pretty obvious they just don't give a damn. And it is apparently selective - some people ARE showing actual counts. So how is that even possible? I have PC friends who are showing daily count increases, and other PC friends (myself included) who show the same count as 3 weeks ago. If I didn't know better, I would say that HB is actively suppressing play counts on people who have been critical of them on their forum or for some other reason? Actually, how do we not know that is not the case? I'm not a programmer, but how can you have a metric that works for some courses and not for others, on the same game? Selective programming code?? Please. Either the sh%$ works for all courses or it works for none. Even I know that much. And if I'm wrong - then fix it, HB. There have been enough complaints about this issue that they should actually give a damn. But they don't. This is kind of a deal-breaker for me guys. In this day and age I expect the companies that I spend money with to provide top-notch customer service. That's capitalism - you either do it and succeed, or you don't and you get buried by your competitor. And make no mistake - another company WILL come along someday and fill the niche left by HB in the golf video game market if they blow it. And they ARE blowing it in my opinion. It's a fantastic game, and the designer is awesome - but I expect MORE from companies I give my money to. When we consumer say "no biggie, I'm ok with them being douches, I'll just keep giving them my money because I like the product for the most part, bugs and all," then we just encourage them to keep dicking us over. Lowering the bar as far as possible just sets the precedent that they can keep it as low as they want. What is their motivation to improve? I expect better. My $$ is peanuts to them in the grander scheme, but they are losing me as a customer if they don't step up and start showing they give a damn about their customers. Absolutely HORRIBLE customer service. I'm fed the &#$@ up. I think that most courses update the first few days after they are published but after some arbitrary time limit they have imposed,say 1 week,the course has to have a certain number of daily plays for the counts to increase.For example if the course you designed is averaging 25 new plays a day but HB has programmed in a minimum of 50 new plays a day then the course doesn't update.Just a theory but this update problem has been around at least since TGC 2.All my courses are in the same boat and I am on PS4. My course Stumbling Wallaby had 2023 plays 3 weeks ago. Then it was used 2 weeks ago for the TGCTour Beginner Tour that week, and according to the ghosts I saw there were about 160 plays/day or so not counting console plays (I can only see PC ghosts) that week. So if what you are saying is true, then 1) that minimum number must be insanely high and 2) if true it is horse-sh%$. Designers have a right to know how many times their courses are being played, regardless how old they are. Most of us don't have the luxury of having tens of thousands of plays like the "Elite" designers, so every one means something to us. I see no logical reason for them to impose such an asinine rule. But it is an interesting theory. And again - if it is true - all HB would have to do would be to post something in the thread over on their forums that "hey guys, we stop counting plays after X days from publish date." So even so it is AGAIN a fail by HB, showing they once again can't be bothered to communicate with their customers about an issue. |
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Post by chasw on Aug 31, 2019 7:29:42 GMT -5
You need to read the recent post in this same thread over at the HB forum.Sounds like HB_CraigC will not have me included in his Christmas Card list this year  |
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Post by NobleMan on Sept 1, 2019 6:51:18 GMT -5
Holy sh%$. My courses updated! .. ur um.. or at least some of the them 3 out of 17 is a failing grade, but at least they attempted the test. |
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