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Post by ShaneM86 on Aug 15, 2019 22:34:08 GMT -5
I was looking through last weeks leader board and i noticed this guys name, why were lies told about him? was he a cheater and called out on it?
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Post by katana22 on Aug 16, 2019 2:23:30 GMT -5
He had a problem with another member, No he wasn't a cheat, the rest is in the hands of the admins where it should stay.
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Post by ohheycat on Aug 16, 2019 9:52:49 GMT -5
Heck of a first post, but welcome all the same
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Post by jacobkessler on Aug 16, 2019 17:53:19 GMT -5
He got in an argument with another member. He was banned from the forums for his comments in a PM, and then he just quit the tours because he didn’t want to be a part of the community anymore.
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Post by yaters on Aug 17, 2019 0:22:45 GMT -5
hahaha - new account makes this the first post? Seems legit....
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Post by paulus on Aug 17, 2019 8:20:51 GMT -5
hahaha - new account makes this the first post? Seems legit.... Ray says it's not him. While I appreciate he can rub some people up the wrong way - he doesn't strike me as a liar - if anything too honest...
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Post by tottenhamordie on Aug 17, 2019 12:13:16 GMT -5
I know Shane personally from Xbox, we were playing our BCT rounds this past week and we were talking about last weeks event at Cypress Point Club, and our rankings on the tour. When i went to the standings to see where he finished last week, as he was very happy with how he played, I noticed the person in question in the top 10. I remember some of the names who are at the top most weeks but not everyone, so I wasnt sure who it was. He said he would ask the forums, thats all. Neither of us had seen the drama up until that point, so we had no clue who it was. This wasn't meant to fan flames, he is just kind of new to this and was curious. If we would have seen the thread from Cypress, then he wouldnt have needed to post this.
With that being said, I find it kind of funny to see a global moderator arguing with users on the forum. 7 pages of passive aggressive comments, obvious flip flopping, and at times, down right trolling. I enjoy the forums, and most aspects of this game. But i have noticed a few times that the slightest hint of negativity is met with immediate backlash. In a sea of positive comments, you would think people could take ONE or TWO negative opinions without getting defensive. I mean just look at this post. Shane is a newer user, he was curious about something in this tour, so he came here. He didnt know about the forum, so obviously hes a new user. But he is already met with sarcastic comments and dismissed as an alt account. For a community who prides itself on being a bunch of "Mr nice guys", you would think you could just answer his question and move on?
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Post by katana22 on Aug 17, 2019 14:27:24 GMT -5
My comment was meant to answer his question's as best I could as I don't know any of the fine details nor do I want to, and after last weeks sh%$ show can you really blame us for not wanting to go down that road again. I'm sure know one intended to be sarcastic.
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Post by yaters on Aug 17, 2019 14:47:00 GMT -5
I know Shane personally from Xbox, we were playing our BCT rounds this past week and we were talking about last weeks event at Cypress Point Club, and our rankings on the tour. When i went to the standings to see where he finished last week, as he was very happy with how he played, I noticed the person in question in the top 10. I remember some of the names who are at the top most weeks but not everyone, so I wasnt sure who it was. He said he would ask the forums, thats all. Neither of us had seen the drama up until that point, so we had no clue who it was. This wasn't meant to fan flames, he is just kind of new to this and was curious. If we would have seen the thread from Cypress, then he wouldnt have needed to post this. With that being said, I find it kind of funny to see a global moderator arguing with users on the forum. 7 pages of passive aggressive comments, obvious flip flopping, and at times, down right trolling. I enjoy the forums, and most aspects of this game. But i have noticed a few times that the slightest hint of negativity is met with immediate backlash. In a sea of positive comments, you would think people could take ONE or TWO negative opinions without getting defensive. I mean just look at this post. Shane is a newer user, he was curious about something in this tour, so he came here. He didnt know about the forum, so obviously hes a new user. But he is already met with sarcastic comments and dismissed as an alt account. For a community who prides itself on being a bunch of "Mr nice guys", you would think you could just answer his question and move on? Fair enough and thanks for the explanation. The last couple of weeks has been a very dramatic around here. I don't know details or care to, but both parties involved made a mess of things. Given the history with some of the parties involved, I don't think it was out of bounds to suggest an alt account. Wouldn't be the first time this guy did that. Just a strange coincidence on the timing.
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Post by paulus on Aug 17, 2019 20:04:25 GMT -5
Fair enough and thanks for the explanation. The last couple of weeks has been a very dramatic around here. I don't know details or care to, but both parties involved made a mess of things. Given the history with some of the parties involved, I don't think it was out of bounds to suggest an alt account. Wouldn't be the first time this guy did that. Just a strange coincidence on the timing. It all looked like standard forum nonsense to me, as soon as you have >1 people, you have personality clashes - this is human nature. Yep agreed that both parties looked like tits - funny to those looking in from the outside - but "very dramatic", is itself a rather overly dramatic description of the events A sense of perspective may have been lost here perhaps... Was the Warwick Todd profile in keeping with what some people do on the BCT? Lazza did it IIRC. I think most people knew it was Ray... I certainly guessed on post 1... you're a bright chap, so presume you did too.
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Post by jacobkessler on Aug 17, 2019 20:10:53 GMT -5
Honestly took me a long time to realize Warwick was Ray- but looking back, it should’ve been obvious because “his” posts were just like Ray’s haha
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 8:44:00 GMT -5
It’s fine if people want to call me out for acting poorly as a “global moderator,” but I would encourage the notion that you don’t have all the facts. I don’t need to defend myself or my contributions to this community over the past few years, especially as this is the first time I’ve been involved in something like this. And paulus, you may doubt my integrity, but all I’d have to do is make his unsolicited PMs public for you to doubt his, which would totally undermine his “liestoldaboutme” moniker. I’m glad you all got entertainment from us acting like tits, but the way I see it, the BCT threads were a fun place to be for many months and then all of the sudden after he joins, there’s drama and personal attacks. As a TGCT staff member I was wrong to allow a troll to get under my skin, and I own that, but everything I have said is public for everyone to read, while his comments were both public and then even worse in PMs (which I never responded to). So there are definitely no lies being told about him, and if anything, he would look even worse if you had all the facts. Either way, the common denominator in the drama was him (his history speaks for itself), but I’m done with it. BTW, I have no problem with Shane or Tott or anyone else in this thread, I just thought I’d clarify my part so there wasn’t more speculation. I apologize for my part in the drama and acting unbecoming of a global moderator and TGCT staff member. I’m only human, and I succumbed to the personal attacks, but I should’ve risen above it.
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Post by paulus on Aug 18, 2019 9:15:13 GMT -5
And paulus , you may doubt my integrity Don't think I posted anything that says I doubted your integrity? I just think some people might be getting a bit overly worked up about some words, on an obscure gaming forum in the backwater of the internet, that could be easily ignored. It's really not that dramatic imho.
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Post by jacobkessler on Aug 18, 2019 9:45:40 GMT -5
This is Ray’s response on the Politics board:
Not saying I’m on your side, not saying I’m on Ray’s side. Don’t shoot the messenger. Just want to give his explanation.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 9:46:21 GMT -5
paulus - "While I appreciate he can rub some people up the wrong way - he doesn't strike me as a liar". <---- if your position is that the "liestoldaboutme" is on me because he doesn't strike you as dishonest, then you are calling my integrity into question, despite the proof I have of what was said to me. But hey, I'm just getting worked up about nothing (including the nothing that you haven't even seen), so I'll let it go as I said.
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