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Post by grinder12000 on Aug 9, 2019 8:09:33 GMT -5
So if I have a DEMOTION mark and end in the top 10 in MASTER clubs in CCC I do not get any extra promo mark? No extra bonus ? No reason the REALLY try to stay in the top 10? Top 100 is my only goal?
If so. Sad 😔
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Post by gdog on Aug 9, 2019 8:14:06 GMT -5
For top tens you get a +1 movement mark. If your current movement mark is on -1 then it will leave you with 0. You'll still get the WGR increase , Money list increase and the top 10 on your profile. www.tgctours.com/Home/RulesPolicies#demotions
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Post by ErixonStone on Aug 9, 2019 8:42:18 GMT -5
WGR is a good measure, but it's harder to earn points the lower the flight you're in, so I understand what Rod is getting at.
I think what Rod is asking for is that players who have a demotion mark and do not finish in the top 10 (by club set) should keep all of their demotion marks, since you wouldn't gain a promotion mark if you had no demotion marks.
That would make it harder to rid yourself of demotion marks, but it would give a reward to those who had demotion marks finish in the top 10 (by club set).
The idea of shedding a demotion mark from #21-100 actually makes it easier to promote and harder to demote, but since it de-incentivizes finishing in the top 10 (by club set), we should move away from that model.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Aug 9, 2019 10:02:38 GMT -5
Maybe to delete a demo Mark being in the top 100 in a field normally around 160-180 players is a bit Too easy. And so if you have a demo mark and scores well in the first Three round of an event, but not so good to be in contention for the win, actually you have no motivation to play the fourth round. Sounds boring, is true.
But is also true that it would be a bit too much easy even to give a double promo mark to someone just cause it has a demo mark and in the next tournament is in the top ten.
It would be not a bit better to delete a demo mark only if you finish a tournament in the top 50? At least you are motivated to push until the end of the tournament, more or less.
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Post by grinder12000 on Aug 9, 2019 10:14:40 GMT -5
What I meant was If you have a DEMO mark you get sort of screwed when finishing in the top 10. I know I get a demo mark deleted in the top 100 but I do not get a Promo mark for being in the top 10. At least I should get an EXTRA demo mark deleted for being in top 10.
The way it is now (I think) I have no real reason to be in the top 10 at all since I get nothing for it.
I sort of got 3 demo marks on purpose just to have something to work for since I seem to be Mr. Mediocre Boring (not realizing I would have a pitch and putt course to play, but that was a different thread :-) .
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Post by ErixonStone on Aug 9, 2019 10:23:13 GMT -5
What I meant was If you have a DEMO mark you get sort of screwed when finishing in the top 10. If you do not have a demo mark and you finish in the top 10, you get +1 movement marks. If you have demotion marks and you finish in the top 10, you get +1 movement marks. I'm failing to see the discrepancy. If you have demotion marks, you get +1 movement marks for finishing 100th. This just makes it harder to be demoted and easier to be promoted. I get your point. Maybe there could be a system where players finishing 21-100 would get +0.5 movement marks regardless of whether they have negative marks and you need to get to +3 to be promoted.
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Post by grinder12000 on Aug 9, 2019 11:55:19 GMT -5
What I meant was If you have a DEMO mark you get sort of screwed when finishing in the top 10. If you do not have a demo mark and you finish in the top 10, you get +1 movement marks. If you have demotion marks and you finish in the top 10, you get +1 movement marks. I'm failing to see the discrepancy. If you have demotion marks, you get +1 movement marks for finishing 100th. This just makes it harder to be demoted and easier to be promoted. I get your point. Maybe there could be a system where players finishing 21-100 would get +0.5 movement marks regardless of whether they have negative marks and you need to get to +3 to be promoted. OR Maybe you could have a Demotion Mark AND a Promotion Mark. OR - if you have a demo mark and are in the top 10 you get +1 for being in the top 100 AND +1 for being in top 10. It's just that if you have a Demo mark now there is really no need to strive for GREATNESS as you get no bonus unless you finish first. Not a big change. Just an added reason to try to do REALLY well. For instance - I was 10th in MASTER Clubs in round 3. But I had very little incentive to do well as long as I did not drop 90 places (or whatever). I certainly was not going to beat a PRO club player
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Post by jwtexan on Aug 9, 2019 12:49:56 GMT -5
All caps words or not, it makes zero sense to get 2 positive marks forward for a top 10 finish just because you have demo marks already. Why should finishing top 10 with no movement or promo marks already attached only get you 1 positive movement, while a person who has negative marks get 2?
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Post by Celtic Wolf on Aug 9, 2019 13:42:03 GMT -5
I thought this was common knowledge when it's posted on the TGC Tours website under Info, Rules and Policies at the start of the season.
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Post by kickingguru on Aug 9, 2019 13:59:21 GMT -5
It actually would make sense to get two promo marks for something like a top 10 as one can receive two demotion marks for an incredibly poor finish as well. This is not a make or break issue by any means. I do happen to think there will be changes for promotion/demotion in Season 6 simply by the survey conversations and the fact that every Season has seen some kind of change in TGCT.
I believe the vast majority of players are pleased with the leadership, vision, and execution of the TGCT. Whatever they do is always based on something tangible that they feel will make the tour better. It is why it has grown and been a consistent force for many years now.
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Post by ErixonStone on Aug 9, 2019 14:12:25 GMT -5
It actually would make sense to get two promo marks for something like a top 10 as one can receive two demotion marks for an incredibly poor finish as well. I think this is offset by the fact that you can remove a demo mark by finishing in the top 100.
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Post by ksmith851 on Aug 9, 2019 14:56:45 GMT -5
When I started TGCT a little over a month ago I brought up the same issue in the CC-C thread that Rod did above. While it does make positive movement slightly harder, the best thing I could think of was what Ezzino said here: It would be not a bit better to delete a demo mark only if you finish a tournament in the top 50? At least you are motivated to push until the end of the tournament, more or less. If I have a demo mark (which I did from being poor in my first event because I was so new to the game), I was annoyed when two weeks later I was sitting in the top 5 through 2 rounds, wondering why it was that I had to even finish. The last 2 rounds were terribly boring and rushed because I could slip all the way down to 100th and have no consequences.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Aug 9, 2019 22:22:54 GMT -5
Or, at least, it could be an idea to give two promo mark for the top 3 for every pro club set. In this way, if you have a demo mark and after 3 rounds you are in top ten, you are still really motivated to play a great fourth round.
Maybe with this two rules implemented together, it would be a bit more exciting : Cancel a demo mark with a top 50 placement instead top 100.
To give one promo mark for top ten as already it happens. Plus a certain number of places prized with two promo marks to intensify the fight on Sunday even if you have a red mark.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Aug 9, 2019 22:25:36 GMT -5
When I started TGCT a little over a month ago I brought up the same issue in the CC-C thread that Rod did above. While it does make positive movement slightly harder, the best thing I could think of was what Ezzino said here: It would be not a bit better to delete a demo mark only if you finish a tournament in the top 50? At least you are motivated to push until the end of the tournament, more or less. If I have a demo mark (which I did from being poor in my first event because I was so new to the game), I was annoyed when two weeks later I was sitting in the top 5 through 2 rounds, wondering why it was that I had to even finish. The last 2 rounds were terribly boring and rushed because I could slip all the way down to 100th and have no consequences. Actually I just copied something you proposed some day ago! And you had a great idea, for what I can say.
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Post by grinder12000 on Aug 10, 2019 7:20:33 GMT -5
All caps words or not, it makes zero sense to get 2 positive marks forward for a top 10 finish just because you have demo marks already. Why should finishing top 10 with no movement or promo marks already attached only get you 1 positive movement, while a person who has negative marks get 2? No you don’t get any promo marks. You get 2 marks deleted. Or you get 1 mark deleted and one promo mark
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