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Post by NobleMan on Jun 25, 2019 19:56:24 GMT -5
I have done my best to match this course with planting (as much as the plant meter leaves for Lidar). The Lidar data is very accurate and plays well on very hard, fast and firm. Throw some windy in there and you have yourself a tough course. This is NOT an RCR. I leave those master pieces to the CLV. I designed this for ME. It is more about playablility than matching every blade of grass. I hope people enjoy it as much as I did building it. Notice I did not say design it . Have fun all. Thanks,
NobleMan - Kent Shaffer
Signature Hole: 18th Hole – 484 Yard Par 4 – The picturesque 18th hole at Oakmont has long been touted as one of the best inland finishing holes in America. Five bunkers lie in wait of any tee shot that isn't striped down the middle of the short grass. The longish approach shot plays to a green that is protected by a series of four small bunkers on the left and a larger bunker on the right. The finishing hole typifies the entire course; a tough but fair hole that will reward good shots and make bad shots look even worse. Lastly, the clubhouse at Oakmont is as signature as any feature found at the club. The walls are covered with photos, trophys, scorecards, and other memorabilia that only an eight time host of the U.S. Open could sport.
Best Par 3: 6th Hole – 194 Yards – The par threes at Oakmont aren't flashy, they are just solid. What makes this hole great is that the distance is pretty easy to handle, but the slope from right to left on the incredibly fast green makes hitting the middle or left side of the green imperative. A pin in the back right corner is just flat out mean since balls can come rolling back to the middle of the green while a chip shot from the right side of the green has zero chance of finishing close to the hole. Best Par 4: 3rd Hole – 478 Yards – Church pews - enough said. OK, I'll say more. The iconic 12 row church pew bunkers represent the most recognizable sand and fescue complex in America. Not only are the church pew bunkers cool to look at, but the are extremely penal. Avoid those bunkers and you'll still be faced with an uphill approach shot to a semi-blind green. Best Par 5: 4th Hole – 609 Yards – While the 3rd hole assumes the reputation of the church pew bunkers, you aren't done with them until you play down the 4th hole where you will again find them resting on your left. This downhill par five is reachable in two despite the 609 yard distance it plays due to the firmness of the fairways and how much this hole ends up playing downhill. If you can avoid the church pew bunkers and the addtional 16 other bunkers on this hole then there is a good chance to put a four on your scorecard.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Jun 25, 2019 20:13:52 GMT -5
Wow..you did it again! I don't know if there's someone who's already working on those courses..and obviously I don't know if you could be interested doing this, but in these days i'm checking the real courses we have (i mean in the whole game, not only in the TGCT list). Doing so i noticed that we still miss some piece of art as Oak Hill, Colonial CC, Atlanta AC,TPC River Highlands, Carnoustie...but is a long list (Sheshan, Trinity Forest, Waialae and so go on). If you know no one is working on these, could you work on at least Oak Hill? Pliiiiiiis (Is one of my favorite in absolute)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2019 21:00:00 GMT -5
Wow..you did it again! I don't know if there's someone who's already working on those courses..and obviously I don't know if you could be interested doing this, but in these days i'm checking the real courses we have (i mean in the whole game, not only in the TGCT list). Doing so i noticed that we still miss some piece of art as Oak Hill, Colonial CC, Atlanta AC,TPC River Highlands, Carnoustie...but is a long list (Sheshan, Trinity Forest, Waialae and so go on). If you know no one is working on these, could you work on at least Oak Hill? Pliiiiiiis (Is one of my favorite in absolute) At some point after the restoration/s are complete, one can expect Dylan Bronson to make LiDAR versions of Oak Hill.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Jun 25, 2019 22:50:21 GMT -5
Wow..you did it again! I don't know if there's someone who's already working on those courses..and obviously I don't know if you could be interested doing this, but in these days i'm checking the real courses we have (i mean in the whole game, not only in the TGCT list). Doing so i noticed that we still miss some piece of art as Oak Hill, Colonial CC, Atlanta AC,TPC River Highlands, Carnoustie...but is a long list (Sheshan, Trinity Forest, Waialae and so go on). If you know no one is working on these, could you work on at least Oak Hill? Pliiiiiiis (Is one of my favorite in absolute) At some point after the restoration/s are complete, one can expect Dylan Bronson to make LiDAR versions of Oak Hill. I was thinking that project was abandoned. Beautiful news. In these days I'm looking for real courses not reported in the TGCT list to put them into the list I finished last week. I found some interesting course, like a lidar version of Aronimink, or a great version of Bay Hill, Galveston, Shinnec0ck Hills...i'm very happy about this discover Now I'm checking for some reasonably accurate version of Wolf Creek, I readed somewhere in the hb forum that a version called "Wolf Creek Lodge" seems to be the most accurate, now I'll check it. It could be great, cause the one we have in the TGCT list is just a fictional one. I checked another one that is pretty similar in routing and flow, but not enough about bunkers, greens or water hazards. Slowly, I'll check EVERY course with a real name, looking for those good enough to deserve to be selected by who run societies etc.. Doing this, I'm creating also a list with all those real courses still missing. At least the more famous and/or used in all the most important tours (Sunshine, Asiaocean, web.com and so go on) or hosts of majors in the past. I started by a couple of days but is already a pretty long list.
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Post by LKeet6 on Jun 26, 2019 2:50:49 GMT -5
Wow..you did it again! I don't know if there's someone who's already working on those courses..and obviously I don't know if you could be interested doing this, but in these days i'm checking the real courses we have (i mean in the whole game, not only in the TGCT list). Doing so i noticed that we still miss some piece of art as Oak Hill, Colonial CC, Atlanta AC,TPC River Highlands, Carnoustie...but is a long list (Sheshan, Trinity Forest, Waialae and so go on). If you know no one is working on these, could you work on at least Oak Hill? Pliiiiiiis (Is one of my favorite in absolute) Do you mean lidar versions of these? Because many of those listed are in the game... And there are also no lidar of many other legendary courses...
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Jun 26, 2019 3:20:12 GMT -5
Wow..you did it again! I don't know if there's someone who's already working on those courses..and obviously I don't know if you could be interested doing this, but in these days i'm checking the real courses we have (i mean in the whole game, not only in the TGCT list). Doing so i noticed that we still miss some piece of art as Oak Hill, Colonial CC, Atlanta AC,TPC River Highlands, Carnoustie...but is a long list (Sheshan, Trinity Forest, Waialae and so go on). If you know no one is working on these, could you work on at least Oak Hill? Pliiiiiiis (Is one of my favorite in absolute) Do you mean lidar versions of these? Because many of those listed are in the game... And there are also no lidar of many other legendary courses... No no, I mean every kind of courses, not only lidar. I know that all these course are in game, i cited them exactly cause i played them just in these days, (checking them with the IRL map) and no one is accurate enough to be considered a "real" recreation. Almost everyone has the right par and order of holes in the scorecard..and almost always also a similar routing, but the shape of greens, bunkers and often also fairways is always too much different to be considered real courses. (not talking about quality of design, or elevations and slopes, cause I have not the knowledge or the data to judge these things, obviously) But the great thing is that i'm finding also a bunch of courses (not lidar but one, Aronimink) really really accurate. I think that this work it will take some week, but i'm really happy to do it.
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Post by NinjaMonkeyIII on Jun 26, 2019 9:58:13 GMT -5
awesome course , a great job really appreciated playing it
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Post by NobleMan on Jun 27, 2019 5:44:04 GMT -5
Wow..you did it again! I don't know if there's someone who's already working on those courses..and obviously I don't know if you could be interested doing this, but in these days i'm checking the real courses we have (i mean in the whole game, not only in the TGCT list). Doing so i noticed that we still miss some piece of art as Oak Hill, Colonial CC, Atlanta AC,TPC River Highlands, Carnoustie...but is a long list (Sheshan, Trinity Forest, Waialae and so go on). If you know no one is working on these, could you work on at least Oak Hill? Pliiiiiiis (Is one of my favorite in absolute) Right now I am working on Pine Valley in New Jersey and doing a colab with Dwain. In my FREE time, let me see what I can come up with! Just a few bunkers on Pine Valley to work on. And to top it off, it has about 500 grassy areas within the bunkers. Getting lots of practice on those!
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Jun 27, 2019 7:05:03 GMT -5
I played Pine Valley just a pair of days ago. The version we already have in game is a good one, for what I can judge (not so much ). Of course some bunker is not with the exact shape, but considering how much they are I for sure can't blame the designer for this. I can only imagine how much work there is to do in courses like Oakmont or Pine Valley. You choose the easiest,for sure Anyway, about my requests, if is true that someone is already at work on Oak Hill, maybe is better to avoid that our best designers works on the same things. Sorry for my ignorance on this, but there is not a place, a thread, where is possible for all of you designers to do some brain storming..and where you can share your ideas...or create a list of priority and then decide together what to do?
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Post by NobleMan on Jun 27, 2019 8:00:28 GMT -5
Dylan Bronson was going to work on Oak Hills since he lives on the course. Don't know if it is still active or not.
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Post by gregfordyce on Jun 27, 2019 9:04:54 GMT -5
Amazing job Kent. This is going to get a lot of plays, methinks!
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Post by yeltzman on Jun 27, 2019 9:53:20 GMT -5
Re Oak hill He sent me all the information regarding the new course there for the 2023 PGA,After this years Senior PGA it is going under a 2 years change for the tournament in 2023 Only ever got the 1st hole done did not realise he lived close to course and he also designs so i could never compare to anybody who is close to there.one of the major changes replacing the 6th hole and extending the 5th to over 500 yards,and designing a new par 3 4th hole bit like the old days.
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Post by NobleMan on Jun 27, 2019 10:40:03 GMT -5
Amazing job Kent. This is going to get a lot of plays, methinks! Thanks Greg! I think I will submit it to TGC Course Review for play through!
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Post by gregfordyce on Jun 27, 2019 11:04:40 GMT -5
Amazing job Kent. This is going to get a lot of plays, methinks! Thanks Greg! I think I will submit it to TGC Course Review for play through! Good idea! I hear those guys take "donations" as well!
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Post by NobleMan on Jun 27, 2019 11:13:43 GMT -5
I played Pine Valley just a pair of days ago. The version we already have in game is a good one, for what I can judge (not so much ). Of course some bunker is not with the exact shape, but considering how much they are I for sure can't blame the designer for this. I can only imagine how much work there is to do in courses like Oakmont or Pine Valley. You choose the easiest,for sure Anyway, about my requests, if is true that someone is already at work on Oak Hill, maybe is better to avoid that our best designers works on the same things. Sorry for my ignorance on this, but there is not a place, a thread, where is possible for all of you designers to do some brain storming..and where you can share your ideas...or create a list of priority and then decide together what to do? The only thing with RCR's is the elevations and undulations are not exact. I love to experience the courses as they exist on the land they are built on. Unfortunately, RCR's cannot produce that type of accuracy .. just saying! . I take nothing away from RCR's like the CLV and Yeltzman have done in the past...
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