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Post by ezzinomilonga on May 29, 2019 14:41:48 GMT -5
There's nothing tO' Say. 👀 Sh!t, this was really awful. I have to find something to do. Absolutely. Sorry. I'll allow it.  So, umm, how about those round 2 conditions? Vicious. A bit seriously,to answer to you, this is my fifth week playing tgct,i play in cc-c and with pro clubs, cause i realized that i'm still just too weak to be consistently competitive with master clubs (but i'll learn. Question of time and willing. And i will.), so i decided to just skip those us open qualifying and to concentrate myself on improve my game. I tried to play the first, just for fun,but reality is that with those kind of setting artificiously thought, i can't find just any fun. I will do it when i will have to do,if i will ever good enough to deserve to play a major. And just cause this is how major needs to be played here. But i already know that if will ever happeb,it will be with no joy while i play, cause i stay on my idea that to calm down the scores there are more clever and funny ways that force players to play sometime in the storm, or to hit tiny fairways with no clue or, (as always,in fact) to reach pin positions on some green with absolutely ridicolous slopes just everywhere..and so go on. Especially when it happens on greens that,anyway,are already projected and designed in a way that makes it pretty well guarded even with no need of those little cheap tricks. What i mean is that the main idea that for a major is needed a course that has to sound in the end as some kind of "oakmont wannabe" can't work so well (in my eyes,obviously),in first instance just cause oakmont is not just a work of designing,but there is a well balanced course architecture behind. We have a lot of outrageously great talented designers,but not so much are also very good course's architects. It's a matter of redundancy, for me. I know that this opinion it will be criticized by almost everyone and that the most of you probably should say to me that i think so just cause i'm not strong enough. But i played golf games for a time (and with results) good enough to know at least what i like and what i dislike,above the score. My idea is simply that the 4 majors should be not only the hardest tournaments of the season,but also those who have to provides more FUN,even when you have you butt kicked. I understand that a lot of guys possibly like this kind of things..but i simply would prefer to play (for example)a major with no scout camera but conditions realistic for the place where the tournament is played...on fairways and greens pretty hard,harder,hardest...but not in the silly way i noticed playing some of the course selected for the US open contest. So when i read the resumes of the rounds made by all of you,i just can't think "wow..i wish so much to be strong enough to compete..". And this don't want to be a critic to some desigber. I swear. And i kniw that they just try to realuze what is requested. Is the main idea that for me is wrong in his basement. We discard the realism and a more "genuin" fun for an artificial totalky unreal difficulty just to keep scores low. And i just can see why,but i can't appreciate,cause is too unrealistic. Just my thought. (even if my idea is a bit more complicated and touches other sides of the whole question..but above the fact that i don't want to bore all of you too much, at least this is the main reason of my point,in the end ). |
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Post by neifesis on May 30, 2019 11:51:41 GMT -5
I'm still a noob to all this TGCT stuff. Couldn't find any info on this topic here or on the website. Can someone point me in the direction (a link) or explain exactly how your WGR is calculated?
Thanks
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Post by illinoisgator on May 31, 2019 11:56:17 GMT -5
F this qualifying tournament...i'm all for a tough course to make the open but when you can't even reach a par 3 with a driver that's just stupid
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Post by cshare14 on May 31, 2019 12:49:07 GMT -5
F this qualifying tournament...i'm all for a tough course to make the open but when you can't even reach a par 3 with a driver that's just stupid Agreed, I called it a day and didn't finish the tournament. There comes a point when a challenging and fun golf simulation becomes a video game golf hack, horribly unrealistic and aggravating experience. Some courses I just won't dignify by finishing. A par 3 that requires a drive and an approach is a par 4. Calling it a par 3 is just dipshittery. As was that 715+ par 5. |
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Post by uhohnene on May 31, 2019 12:53:19 GMT -5
I don't care about par, call a 700 yard hole a par 3 for all I care. It won't change my position relative to other players.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on May 31, 2019 13:29:21 GMT -5
I don't care about par, call a 700 yard hole a par 3 for all I care. It won't change my position relative to other players. This is obvious. But in fact you can notice how no one is complaining about the fairness regarding other players. I think that actually is more just a question of how much a round of golf can be enjoyed or not. And about the way intended to play a major that is though, but not funny at all for many players, even for a lot of guys who can compete easily even in those conditions. I heard complains on this situation also from Euro Tour and Web players. They can't be all of them just not good enough to compete, isn't? I mean... A Major should be an event waited by everyone as the better thing of the season. Even the qualyfing. Even knowing before the start that your b@tt will be kicked out with no mercy. I also think that no one here can ever to wish an easy Major. Is not the thoughtness himself that is questioned by all those players. I'm pretty sure about this. Is just the WAY used to obtain this toughtness. Is a nonsense that a lot of players actually prefer to quit the qualifying just cause they find it's not enjoyable. At all. So i did it. And i can swear that i don't care if my butt were kicked out cause i'm still no strong enough with Master Clubs. (I play Hazeltine with those Clubs as my first CC-C tournament ever...My final score was E and i was anyway really happy of that course). But i just can't find any amusement while i play the major setup of Monongahela or this course. And almost every course of the Major contest i tried to play. Why someone should to play a course 4 times (at least!!) and all this just to finish the week totally pissed off even if he scored well? This is the nonsense for me. Especially for a major qualyfing. An event that, just to say, i was waiting as an holiday (well knowing that anyway i can have no chance to win, but who cares?). I would just to enjoy the party. But there is no party. This is just as if i have to go at work. But i already have a work. And i don't play to have this kind of feeling. Losing or winning is not important as the feeling that i'm having some real fun doing this. Furthermore, i find simply shocking the description that you can find in the thread of the course that won the contest. In fact, it shows clearly that the designer was absolutely awared that to have some chance to win this contest, it was NEEDED to create an unfair course, as he exactly and clearly said as a premise. Really this make some sense? Really is what we need? I understand my thought can be absolutely minoritary. But i stay with my idea that it could be some better..not complete solution, of course.. but just some better compromize, between the need to have some lower scores and to have anyway some amusement while we play. Winning or losing. And if i'm not too wrong, is for this that we are all here. Or not? |
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Post by uhohnene on May 31, 2019 13:41:48 GMT -5
I don't care about par, call a 700 yard hole a par 3 for all I care. It won't change my position relative to other players. This is obvious. But in fact you can notice how no one is complaining about the fairness regarding other players. I think that actually is more just a question of how much a round of golf can be enjoyed or not. And about the way intended to play a major that is though, but not funny at all for many players, even for a lot of guys who can compete easily even in those conditions. I heard complains on this situation also from Euro Tour and Web players. They can't be all of them just not good enough to compete, isn't? I mean... A Major should be an event waited by everyone as the better thing of the season. Even the qualyfing. Even knowing before the start that you b@tt will be kicked out with no mercy. I also think that no one here can ever to wish an easy Major. Is not the thoughtness himself that is questioned by all those players. I'm pretty sure about this. Is just the WAY used to obtain this toughtness. Is a nonsense that a lot of players actually prefer to quit the qualifying just cause they find it's not enjoyable. At all. So i did it. And i can swear that i don't care if my butt were kicked out cause i'm still no strong enough with Master Clubs. (I play Hazeltine with those Clubs as my first tournament ever...Finish in E and i was anyway really happy of that course). But i just can find any amusement while i play the major setup of Monongahela or this course. And almost every course of the Major contest i tried to play. Why someone should to play a course 4 times and all to finish a tournament pissed off even if he scored well? This is the nonsense for me. Especially for a major qualyfing. An event that, just to say, i was waiting as an holiday (well knowing that anyway i can have no chance to win, but who cares?). I would just to enjoy the party. But this is just as to go at work. But i already have a work. And i don't play to have this kind of feeling. Losing or winning. Furthermore, i find simply shocking the description that you can find in the thread of the course that won the contest. In fact, it shows clearly that the designer was absolutely awared that to have some chance to win this contest, it was NEEDED to create an unfair course, as he exactly and clearly said as a premise. Really this make some sense? Really is what we need? I understand my thought can be absolutely minoritary. But i stay with my idea that it could be some better..not complete solution, of course.. but just a better compromize, between the need to have some lower scores and the amusement while we play. Winning or losing. And if i'm not too wrong, is for this that we are all here. Or not? Well, the point of the contest was to create something akin to a U.S. Open. Players in real life are frustrated by end of the week (or even before -- I'm looking at you hitting a moving putt, Phil). Not everyone will enjoy this frustration, sure. But for me, it is what makes the game fun. I practiced the course for 8 rounds (twice on each pin setting) using the conditions for the tournament. I made some mental notes about traps to not fall into, where to "miss" shots on each hole. It definitely helped me to shoot under par in each round of the actual tourney (and I'm not a great player, btw). Shooting double digits under par stops being fun after a while and these kinds of tricked up, windy challenges mix things up a bit. There are plenty of societies (e.g. - 420 smoke squad on XB1) where the conditions are insanely easy and the winner shoots -50 in every event. So the nice thing is there is something for everyone! Playing on the overall winner of the contest, Susquehannock, it is tough to shoot well, even without much wind and with a fair amount of light rough. To me it better simulates a U.S. Open than this week's course, even though I really enjoy O Say. Cypress Dunes (next week's qualifier; 2nd place finisher) allows for a bit more shotmaking even though, again, it is really tough to shoot a good score. |
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Post by illinoisgator on May 31, 2019 13:54:13 GMT -5
I will say though that 80 yard par 3 was like a breath of fresh air...finally something different on a tough course. Every course we play on every week in the Web has 200-230 yard par 3 with heavy wind and concrete greens that you have to navigate and it gets god awful boring sometimes and not just because it's hard. I've had success and I've had some failures on those holes...i've learned. But rarely does anyone try to make shorter holes hard anymore...it's always about length, wind, and how hard can we make the greens and slopes. Maybe that's the only way to slow down the really really good players...i don't know but i loved that little pitch par 3. Got a birdie and a par in the first two rounds...it was far from automatic.
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Post by neifesis on May 31, 2019 14:32:15 GMT -5
I have never quit an event until now. But I didn't quit mid-round like these nerds did. I at least finished rd 1 at -2 and decided I'm just not ready for the Master Clubs. Let it be clear... Master clubs are the reason.
It had nothing to do with the course. Why? Because everyone had to play it. Doesn't matter what course it was. It can be a triple bogey at best on every hole. Everyone had to do it. If you want to play with the big boys you have to do whatever it takes. Some of you aren't willing. Neither am I. But by my own account. Don't make excuses. Everyone had a fair chance.
"Can't even reach with a driver" well guess what cry baby... Nobody could.
"I want to at least enjoy it" nope, you're being trained to overcome adversity. (Not really)
We're talking PGA here guys. The best in the world don't complain. And if you want to compete next to them, you shouldn't either.
Mic drop
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Post by cephyn on May 31, 2019 14:56:23 GMT -5
I have never quit an event until now. But I didn't quit mid-round like these nerds did. I at least finished rd 1 at -2 and decided I'm just not ready for the Master Clubs. Let it be clear... Master clubs are the reason. It had nothing to do with the course. Why? Because everyone had to play it. Doesn't matter what course it was. It can be a triple bogey at best on every hole. Everyone had to do it. If you want to play with the big boys you have to do whatever it takes. Some of you aren't willing. Neither am I. But by my own account. Don't make excuses. Everyone had a fair chance. "Can't even reach with a driver" well guess what cry baby... Nobody could. "I want to at least enjoy it" nope, you're being trained to overcome adversity. (Not really) We're talking PGA here guys. The best in the world don't complain. And if you want to compete next to them, you shouldn't either. Mic drop Someone hasn't looked in the PGA threads of late  |
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Post by neifesis on May 31, 2019 16:25:59 GMT -5
Liked!
I have not. Just being messy.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on May 31, 2019 17:59:21 GMT -5
I have never quit an event until now. But I didn't quit mid-round like these nerds did. I at least finished rd 1 at -2 and decided I'm just not ready for the Master Clubs. Let it be clear... Master clubs are the reason. It had nothing to do with the course. Why? Because everyone had to play it. Doesn't matter what course it was. It can be a triple bogey at best on every hole. Everyone had to do it. If you want to play with the big boys you have to do whatever it takes. Some of you aren't willing. Neither am I. But by my own account. Don't make excuses. Everyone had a fair chance. "Can't even reach with a driver" well guess what cry baby... Nobody could. "I want to at least enjoy it" nope, you're being trained to overcome adversity. (Not really) We're talking PGA here guys. The best in the world don't complain. And if you want to compete next to them, you shouldn't either. Mic drop Just to puntualize, considering how hard seems to understand what is the bloody point here. And considering that no matters how much and well someone tries to explain a quite simple thought, it seems just impossible to have an answer really fitting with the exact question. I'll try again a last time. What i mean, has nothing to do with some "oh God is TOO tough, oh poor me what can i do?" thought. Or with Master Clubs issues or difficulty. Now can it seems easy to say, from my cc-c by a month status, but you can trust me if i say that my thought will be exactly the same even (if not much more) when i will reach the Web, then the Euro, till to the PGA. And i will. You can bet on it, if you want. Is just a question of time (if nothing happens to change my life too severely in the next months to have no more time to spend on this game i love so much). What i'm trying to say (but, again, is not just me and they are also A LOT of PGA players that agree at least with the "basements" of my thought) is NOT about some kind of exagerate difficulty or toughness of conditions, but about the fact that the way are used here to obtain an increased difficulty in order to keep low the scores it is, after a while, simply boring. Not cause those conditions are boring by deafult, but cause it's always the same soup : strong wind blowing from anywhere (a total nonsense), 4 par 3's per round at least 200 meters of lenght and so go on. In 3 Majors on 4 there's also the fact that you have to play absurdly tricked up courses. Is all this stuff menageable? Of course it is. Practicing there's nothing impossible to do. And who can not, is simply not good enough to play above a certain level and no doubt on this point. What i (and, again, is not just me) wish, is at least simply to try to discuss the question with no blinders (and if it possible to make some tentative to solve it) looking for not about a complete solution, cause i know pretty well that is not possible, but for something that could sounds as a better compromize between the needed holy toughness and the needed bloody fun while we play. Is this concept really so hard to understand? As said in another topic (with the agreement, in some point, also from actual PGA players..i puntualize it again considering how much important seems to be this point for you), maybe it could be something that we could try to do. At least to try. So..are you so sure that, just to made a random example, with an US Open played at the same Pebble Beach with no scout cam and the conditions tough enough for a Major, this compromize could be impossible to have? I know that the scores would be not so low as they are playing in the kind of courses actually selected for the US Open, but honestly...this should not be compensate by the amusement to play a course in the real way he's supposed to be played? You are so sure you would dislike this kind of setup? I'm in fact also talking about some realism more, instead of these absurd tricks. Is about the love of this game, not the fear to can't be competitive. Furthermore, as uhohnene said before, i know and absolutely agree that if i (or anyone, i think) practice on a course in the same conditions of a tournament and i made 2,4,7 practice round, finally i will learn how to face every kind of course condition, no matter how it can be (fairly or unfairly) tricky. And if i can't learn, it means that i'm just no good enough. Agreed. Totally. But the not-so-hard-to-understand point here is can do this amount of rounds in a course too messed up or that offers always the same kind of conditions you can find on almost every tournament, is just boring, after a while. I can do it. And i will, when i will ever to do it. But it will became boring for me even when i could be good enough to scores a -50. Is so impossible to believe it? And then why, instead to speak as champions of the world players and dropping mic here and there, it seems to be so difficult to make some serious proposal to have all of us a better tour experience playing this game? Why it seems to be guilty of lese majesty the simple and honest desire to research a better way, if it's not so impossible, to find some kind of compromize? This is the point. Simply. Oh..and for the little that can matters, i totally agree with you. A round should never be quitted in the middle of it. But to play all 4 rounds (and some practice round to learn everything well, if we want to do things really seriously), a course needs also to deserve that not indifferent amount of time that anyone has to spend on it. I think all of us are more or less working people. My time sadly is not free. So, sorry if i wish to enjoy ALWAYS the time i spend playing. Even when a course has to kick my bùtt. Thanks. |
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Post by neifesis on May 31, 2019 18:18:07 GMT -5
I'm trying to guess your ethnicity based on your grammar. I think its African but I can't tell for sure. Maybe 45 yrs old. I have a voice and blurry facial features in my head. Definitely a gray beard. Ahh it doesn't matter...
Look, 90% of the time I have no idea what you're trying to say on here but this time I did. And I think you're wrong. If it were a regular event then yeah definitely not good for business. But its a Qualifier that allows players an opportunity to move straight to the top.
A gift from the gods. Embrace it.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on May 31, 2019 19:33:25 GMT -5
I'm trying to guess your ethnicity based on your grammar. I think its African but I can't tell for sure. Maybe 45 yrs old. I have a voice and blurry facial features in my head. Definitely a gray beard. Ahh it doesn't matter... Look, 90% of the time I have no idea what you're trying to say on here but this time I did. And I think you're wrong. If it were a regular event then yeah definitely not good for business. But its a Qualifier that allows players an opportunity to move straight to the top. A gift from the gods. Embrace it. Absolutely sure you menage better then me every foreign language you have to learn by yourself. I'm also sure that if i start to talk and act as a bully, it could help me a lot to explain more clearly what i mean, everytime. There's always something to learn. Even from a keyboard warrior. So..thanks for your wise advices.  |
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Post by neifesis on May 31, 2019 20:15:45 GMT -5
But are you a 45 year old African with a gray beard?
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