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Post by Wildrover on Feb 16, 2015 9:21:09 GMT -5
Another dissapointing tourney for me,ball striking was awful at times n i lost count how many slack shots i had.Winds were moderate, avg between 6-10mph. Only shining light i had was a 58 in round 2. R1,64,R3 62,R4,62.... Red diamond isnt a tough course,and as we're unsurprisingly seeing,real low scores can b had if u play well.Unfortunately my consistency throughout the 4 rds just wasnt good enough. Good luck to all of those yet 2 play there rounds n very well played to those of u hitting those real low tallys!!Next stop,Lions Gate.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 9:56:39 GMT -5
Ended up with 56, 58, 60, 55 for a total of -55. 3rd round was sloppy as I was leaving myself long putts, had a bogey and missed 2 putts of 8 feet that showed break and went dead straight. Did manage to get my 1st ever hole in one after 450+ rounds:
Great shooting by everyone here and good luck to those yet to finish.........I have already taken a screenshot of the records page on the main site as my 3rd and 4th round records will no longer stand as this is a par 71 course.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 10:21:05 GMT -5
Everyone that wants more difficult courses should realize the best players will still be the ones that win Go tee it up at The Challenge (csu golfers new course) for an idea of what you have to do with difficulty and Doyley still tore it up. Making super difficult courses just gets a designer one thing... poor ratings due to the folks who rate a course based on how they played it and not how the course was. There is no defense of low scores unless you do silly things like max firm greens etc.
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Post by IlludiumQ36 on Feb 16, 2015 10:48:04 GMT -5
56, 61, 59, 55 for (-53)
Lost any chance of a win in round 2 and the first few holes of R3. My approaches were constantly on the wrong side of the pin in the most extreme breaks (thank you ball squirt - Yes, please go 30 feet left of the flag in this 8mph L/R crosswind off of the hard right sidehill lie. Awesome job) Couldn't make any mid-range putts to offset it.
Got my approach groove back for rounds 3 and 4 highlighted by an ace and a near-albatross (hit the pin - stopped 1" out), but still couldn't make any putts over 16 feet. Putting in general was just bad all the way through. Sad, as I was drilling them in practice.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 10:57:14 GMT -5
56, 61, 59, 55 for (-53) Lost any chance of a win in round 2 and the first few holes of R3. My approaches were constantly on the wrong side of the pin in the most extreme breaks (thank you ball squirt - Yes, please go 30 feet left of the flag in this 8mph L/R crosswind off of the hard right sidehill lie. Awesome job) Couldn't make any mid-range putts to offset it. Got my approach groove back for rounds 3 and 4 highlighted by an ace and a near-albatross (hit the pin - stopped 1" out), but still couldn't make any putts over 16 feet. Putting in general was just bad all the way through. Sad, as I was drilling them in practice. Those ball squirts are starting to really annoy me. I have hit a dead straight shot (wink wink) and it just veers off to one side of the flag when i had accounted for the wind. This sort of thing ruins a round and what seems like a perfect shot is actually not.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 11:14:54 GMT -5
Everyone that wants more difficult courses should realize the best players will still be the ones that win Go tee it up at The Challenge (csu golfers new course) for an idea of what you have to do with difficulty and Doyley still tore it up. Making super difficult courses just gets a designer one thing... poor ratings due to the folks who rate a course based on how they played it and not how the course was. There is no defense of low scores unless you do silly things like max firm greens etc. I believe the answer does indeed lie in firm, but the green speed needs be slow to med/slow. I watched Doyley tear it up, I was doing pretty good myself till I made 3 mental errors in a row on 17. The medium firmness is drop and stop even on this challenging course, it presents no challenge for better players.
With higher firmness and slower greens the ball does and will stop before it leaves the green. That's key, the ball staying on the green. Length of course is one way to make it more challenging, but IMHO the wrong way. I believe you can develop a shorter course with firm and slower green settings and it would raise the scores of only the very best players provided it was coupled with less even breaking greens.
I'm not saying this from the perspective of someone who struggles, but from someone who can also tear it up pretty good. If you want to raise the scores of the better players, you have to increase the length of their putts, and you have to make those putts less even breaking, those putts need not be sloped to extreme, just double breakers and/or less even breaking and far harder to read. As a designer you have to think, you are only looking to raise the scores of the better players and leave everyone else's the same or better. A challenge maybe, but I think not so much and I think it's doable. Ok so I have given this a lot of thought, granted does not make it so, however the only way to do this is by by ensuring everyone must 2 putt, not 3 putt or 1 putt.
Finally it must be putts as well, not chips, flops or pitches, you have to ensure as a designer that the ball stays and remains on the green, increasing the length and the firmness of the course is the wrong way to go. The firmness must go up and the course must be shorter and the putts harder to read and vary. By doing this you almost ensure everyone 2 putts.
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Post by mcbogga on Feb 16, 2015 11:57:19 GMT -5
Back in the locker room again after a chokey 65 followed by a decent 58. Just outside the cut line, I'm guessing.
Agree with you on the firmness/speed Steve. The difference in bounce from hitting fairway or green can make a huge difference and can be used to advantage. Large greens as well to defend against the flop shot. "Redwood" by taste played like this (Sunday pins) and was a great course.
The thing with the challenge course is that it plays almost too nice for its length. Lots of wide fairways where the elevation is the only defense really. Shrink those fairways down and get some heavy rough going and we have a US open style challenge. Miss and you are laying up...
Making challenging courses that still has some variation is hard, really hard. Also they will need to be a bit unrealistic due to the game mechanics.
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Post by fondername0 on Feb 16, 2015 11:58:34 GMT -5
63, 59, 64, 61
Hope I make the cut, I think it will be too close for comfort. I need a check $$ of some kind this week after a MC last week. Played round 3 in some kind of stiff wind, should have quit and came back later, pretty stupid of me.
The water on 9 green is kind of sneaky close to the pin there. I didn't get wet, but had one that had my heart pumping. Hopefully nobody gets a 97% glitchy thing on that one.
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Post by t2theb2 on Feb 16, 2015 13:27:26 GMT -5
55-58-59-56 -56
Hit the ball really well tee to green. So straight in round 1 but suffered from shots squirting offline towards end of round 2 and throughout round 3, still do not understand how these shots happen when you hit it straight and the lie seems fine. Probably did not put well enough over these 2 rounds though to be honest. Did make a few chips throughout the comp which helped so cannot complain on the whole. -50 was my target score for the week so did achieve that. Hopefully can keep it together for all 4 rounds in the next comp. NEED THAT 1ST WIn!
Well played to everybody as there is some great scores across the board.
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Post by chimptastic4000 on Feb 16, 2015 13:29:26 GMT -5
I did a couple of practise rounds on this course and absolutely stunk up the place and after seeing some of the scores come in I was thinking that I may be missing my first cut this week. So I just went out without a care in the world and with the winds hovering around the 12mph, then proceeded to shoot 59 and 56 for the first 2 rounds! Sitting here with a wee glow now and going to leave the final 2 rounds for tomorrow or something.
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Post by blueorfe on Feb 16, 2015 14:02:21 GMT -5
Ended up with 56, 58, 60, 55 for a total of -55. 3rd round was sloppy as I was leaving myself long putts, had a bogey and missed 2 putts of 8 feet that showed break and went dead straight. Did manage to get my 1st ever hole in one after 450+ rounds: Great shooting by everyone here and good luck to those yet to finish.........I have already taken a screenshot of the records page on the main site as my 3rd and 4th round records will no longer stand as this is a par 71 course. Great shot Chris, congrats on your first H.I.O. I played that hole poorly myself, I kept saying to myself don't go past the pin, yet 3 out of the 4 rounds I went past the pin or at least level with it to leave a tricky breaking putt.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 14:06:12 GMT -5
Wooh nice shot Chris! I have only ever got one ace in competition and that was in q-school. Great scoring as-well
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Post by Kodiak_OS on Feb 16, 2015 15:13:04 GMT -5
Shot 59-60-59-57 for -49 over all, including my first Ace in competition on Hole 16 in final round. Thought I grabbed the replay off PS4 but it didn't save for whatever reason. Played solid, just too many missed putts that I either just missed the read or played a touch too much of pace. Only had 1 95% glitch shot that cost me a bogie on #9 in the third round. Landed just shy of bank in the drink.
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Post by acidflashback on Feb 16, 2015 15:15:03 GMT -5
Steve2golf I played with your Ghost and mate you burned up this course. 17 under one day no? I think I was exactly half your score by the end, something like -24 vs -48 lol
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Post by Kodiak_OS on Feb 16, 2015 15:23:41 GMT -5
Everyone that wants more difficult courses should realize the best players will still be the ones that win Go tee it up at The Challenge (csu golfers new course) for an idea of what you have to do with difficulty and Doyley still tore it up. Making super difficult courses just gets a designer one thing... poor ratings due to the folks who rate a course based on how they played it and not how the course was. There is no defense of low scores unless you do silly things like max firm greens etc. I believe the answer does indeed lie in firm, but the green speed needs be slow to med/slow. I watched Doyley tear it up, I was doing pretty good myself till I made 3 mental errors in a row on 17. The medium firmness is drop and stop even on this challenging course, it presents no challenge for better players.
With higher firmness and slower greens the ball does and will stop before it leaves the green. That's key, the ball staying on the green. Length of course is one way to make it more challenging, but IMHO the wrong way. I believe you can develop a shorter course with firm and slower green settings and it would raise the scores of only the very best players provided it was coupled with less even breaking greens.
I'm not saying this from the perspective of someone who struggles, but from someone who can also tear it up pretty good. If you want to raise the scores of the better players, you have to increase the length of their putts, and you have to make those putts less even breaking, those putts need not be sloped to extreme, just double breakers and/or less even breaking and far harder to read. As a designer you have to think, you are only looking to raise the scores of the better players and leave everyone else's the same or better. A challenge maybe, but I think not so much and I think it's doable. Ok so I have given this a lot of thought, granted does not make it so, however the only way to do this is by by ensuring everyone must 2 putt, not 3 putt or 1 putt.
Finally it must be putts as well, not chips, flops or pitches, you have to ensure as a designer that the ball stays and remains on the green, increasing the length and the firmness of the course is the wrong way to go. The firmness must go up and the course must be shorter and the putts harder to read and vary. By doing this you almost ensure everyone 2 putts.
The ease of the game has about ruined the fun of tours and tournaments and I for one can't wait for PG to release in full. Driving is way too easy in this game and don't get me started on adding or subtracting loft. I get that its in since we can't adjust our stance by moving ball further up or deeper, but I yearn for where if I'm in between clubs, I need to hit the longer club but not a full swing. This game, just hit 2 clubs longer but add 2-3 bars of loft. The only thing that makes this game fun anymore is playing with all aids off and this site.
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