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Post by gatorman on Apr 13, 2019 10:17:22 GMT -5
I continue in CC-Z. Latest tourney I shot -13. I'm in 66th, nowhere near a promotion credit. I look at top players, -30 or better. I check their stats. They just started playing with few if any history. So they just got the game and shoot -30. Yeah that's credible. Do good players create new accounts and start over to enter CC-Z and dominate? That's how it looks to me. The fun of TGC is fading fast when you can never compete on an even playing field. All I can do is get negative marks and then get back to even, never to earn a positive mark because the top 20 is so dominated by players that should be competing in higher ranked tourneys. If this cannot be corrected players like me that want a fair chance to improve and get some reward for it will leave the game
PS - let me add that something has obviously changed in scoring in the last year or so. I examined several CC-Z players scoring and tourney positions. A year or so ago, a -10 apparently would have you challenging for a top 20 finish. Now it doesn't get you close. Something has changed, and I submit it is the overload of good players staying in CC-Z.
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Post by Koop on Apr 13, 2019 10:38:46 GMT -5
I continue in CC-Z. Latest tourney I shot -13. I'm in 66th, nowhere near a promotion credit. I look at top players, -30 or better. I check their stats. They just started playing with few if any history. So they just got the game and shoot -30. Yeah that's credible. Do good players create new accounts and start over to enter CC-Z and dominate? That's how it looks to me. The fun of TGC is fading fast when you can never compete on an even playing field. All I can do is get negative marks and then get back to even, never to earn a positive mark because the top 20 is so dominated by players that should be competing in higher ranked tourneys. If this cannot be corrected players like me that want a fair chance to improve and get some reward for it will leave the game PS - let me add that something has obviously changed in scoring in the last year or so. I examined several CC-Z players scoring and tourney positions. A year or so ago, a -10 apparently would have you challenging for a top 20 finish. Now it doesn't get you close. Something has changed, and I submit it is the overload of good players staying in CC-Z. I feel you! But your words will fall on deaf ears. Sorry to be a negative nelly but cc-am matters very little. If you're not playing on Web, euro, or the PS4 tour then good luck. LOL! Truth!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 10:46:34 GMT -5
If you're not playing on Web, euro, or the PS4 tour then good luck.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 10:47:45 GMT -5
I continue in CC-Z. Latest tourney I shot -13. I'm in 66th, nowhere near a promotion credit. I look at top players, -30 or better. I check their stats. They just started playing with few if any history. So they just got the game and shoot -30. Yeah that's credible. Do good players create new accounts and start over to enter CC-Z and dominate? That's how it looks to me. The fun of TGC is fading fast when you can never compete on an even playing field. All I can do is get negative marks and then get back to even, never to earn a positive mark because the top 20 is so dominated by players that should be competing in higher ranked tourneys. If this cannot be corrected players like me that want a fair chance to improve and get some reward for it will leave the game PS - let me add that something has obviously changed in scoring in the last year or so. I examined several CC-Z players scoring and tourney positions. A year or so ago, a -10 apparently would have you challenging for a top 20 finish. Now it doesn't get you close. Something has changed, and I submit it is the overload of good players staying in CC-Z. Promotions are slower than last year would be one factor in why they stay around longer. I would believe they have ways to check for redundant accounts, but not sure if that actively happens or not or a regular basis. EDIT: This they could do only from TGCT side. They would have no way of checking in game redundancies.
Also, going by aggregate scoring compared to last year (TGC2), this game is easier to score on, so -10 would be lower on the leaderboard by finishing position than then. I won't even get into the club thing being more unbalanced than TGC2.
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Post by Koop on Apr 13, 2019 10:55:49 GMT -5
I continue in CC-Z. Latest tourney I shot -13. I'm in 66th, nowhere near a promotion credit. I look at top players, -30 or better. I check their stats. They just started playing with few if any history. So they just got the game and shoot -30. Yeah that's credible. Do good players create new accounts and start over to enter CC-Z and dominate? That's how it looks to me. The fun of TGC is fading fast when you can never compete on an even playing field. All I can do is get negative marks and then get back to even, never to earn a positive mark because the top 20 is so dominated by players that should be competing in higher ranked tourneys. If this cannot be corrected players like me that want a fair chance to improve and get some reward for it will leave the game PS - let me add that something has obviously changed in scoring in the last year or so. I examined several CC-Z players scoring and tourney positions. A year or so ago, a -10 apparently would have you challenging for a top 20 finish. Now it doesn't get you close. Something has changed, and I submit it is the overload of good players staying in CC-Z. Promotions are slower than last year would be one factor in why they stay around longer. I would believe they have ways to check for redundant accounts, but not sure if that actively happens or not or a regular basis. EDIT: This they could do only from TGCT side. They would have no way of checking in game redundancies.
Also, going by aggregate scoring compared to last year (TGC2), this game is easier to score on, so -10 would be lower on the leaderboard by finishing position than then. I won't even get into the club thing being more unbalanced than TGC2.
I believe at the cc-am level, you get fast tracked if you finish in the top 10 or so. So you can move up quicker than you think. That fast tracking stops at cc-pro.
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Post by Koop on Apr 13, 2019 10:58:48 GMT -5
If you're not playing on Web, euro, or the PS4 tour then good luck. Yes, it's only my opinion. :-)
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Post by gatorman on Apr 13, 2019 11:06:06 GMT -5
Here's an example of what I am talking about. This is a random player in CC-Z last year. Look at where they placed with the scores they shot.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 11:06:53 GMT -5
Promotions are slower than last year would be one factor in why they stay around longer. I would believe they have ways to check for redundant accounts, but not sure if that actively happens or not or a regular basis. EDIT: This they could do only from TGCT side. They would have no way of checking in game redundancies.
Also, going by aggregate scoring compared to last year (TGC2), this game is easier to score on, so -10 would be lower on the leaderboard by finishing position than then. I won't even get into the club thing being more unbalanced than TGC2.
I believe at the cc-am level, you get fast tracked if you finish in the top 10 or so. So you can move up quicker than you think. That fast tracking stops at cc-pro. It is a matter of finishing outside of a certain metric compared to standard deviation. I don't pay attention to it, but I do wonder if some get to 3/4 promo marks and then mail in bad rounds to stick around?!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 11:08:27 GMT -5
Here's an example of what I am talking about. This is a random player in CC-Z last year. Look at where they placed with the scores they shot. Those are TGC2 scores. Scoring is aggregate lower (better) in TGC2019 compared to TGC2.
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Post by grinder12000 on Apr 14, 2019 12:52:49 GMT -5
Here's an example of what I am talking about. This is a random player in CC-Z last year. Look at where they placed with the scores they shot. Those are TGC2 scores. Scoring is aggregate lower (better) in TGC2019 compared to TGC2. I’m sure that happens. Have seen it. Some one gets 4 marks and then does not finish for a few weeks to get them removed. I’ve complained about this
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Post by Irving R. Levine on Apr 14, 2019 13:09:01 GMT -5
TGC2 was not beloved and there were nowhere near as many players as there are with the current game. By the very nature of the player limits in upper levels, that's going to put better players in lower levels when they initially come into the system and it will be slower for them to move up.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2019 13:21:27 GMT -5
If you suspect someone, message the admins. They could potentially check IP addresses and see if they match with anyone elses. Not sure if it’s possible, or easy - but messaging the admins would get more of a response than talking about it here.
I liked TGC2, I was much better at it than this version.
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Post by kickingguru on Apr 14, 2019 14:44:02 GMT -5
Pro clubs... the basic ability is to hit perfect/perfect shots 99% of the time. If you can do that, shooting -8 to -10 per round on the courses in cc-am is not difficult. This is the base ability you need to play the game and have any chance of competing. If you cannot accomplish that, then you will simply struggle at the bottom of the pack.
Masters clubs... If you are trying to use these and cannot hit Perfect/Perfect shots 85% of the time, then I can see your frustration. You cannot score with very fast or very slow downswings popping in every 3rd shot. If this is the case and you want to compete for a while, please suck up the pride and move to Pro clubs. You will have much better rounds and enjoy the game for many months. Once you feel very comfortable with the pro ones, then maybe go back here and there to masters clubs to see how you have improved. If you struggle, back to pro.
My personal tip: Use a metronome app on your smart phone or tablet. I set it to 69 beats per second (let the jokes fly!!) and try to start and end the swing on the beats. On pro clubs, I found P/P swing % moved up tremendously and I became somewhat tolerable with Masters. I also tend to feel when I miss with the tempo and correct quicker.
my 2 cents
The Guru
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Post by mde8965 on Apr 14, 2019 15:19:19 GMT -5
Scores are so low in lowest tiers due mostly to the allowed use of the Fischer Price (I mean Pro) clubs. Like said above you need to be able to shoot -8 to -10 with those of you want to move up.
I also agree with the guy above who said there’s a lot more people participating. And too the mandatory q school to start the season shuffled some folks with experience to lower tiers.
Here’s the thing though. TGCT has never been about showing up and auto climbing to PGA. Two kinds of folks come to TGCT. Those that struggle at first and relish the challenge and practice like crazy and slowly get better. They love TGCT because they get a sense of accomplishment and they are invested. Nothing better than looking up at certain names and wishing you were that good, and then one day many months or years later being able to compete with and beat those same folks.
The other kind of folks that come to TGCT come expecting to win right away and when they dont, they blame the people beating them. Accusing them of sandbagging, cheating etc. Or blaming TGCT for not making it easy for them to compete for wins. These folks don’t last. And it’s sad because they end up missing out on a lot.
Suggestion...develop some friendly rivalries with some of the folks finishing similarly to you. Post back and forth on the forums. Play live matches against each other if you can. Stop considering those finishing top 5 as your rivals. Until they are. And they will be if you keep at it.
The comment somebody made about PGA, Euro and Web being all that matter at TGCT. You are wrong. And you are doing it wrong. All that should matter to you in TGCT is the flight you are in, and maybe the one you want to work to get to.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2019 17:13:06 GMT -5
Stop considering those finishing top 5 as your rivals. Until they are. Love this!
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