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Post by CuseHokie on Feb 18, 2019 7:46:48 GMT -5
In at -48 course was good setup was poor. Moderate vfast, firm moderate. I think the magical api crack pipe was getting passed round again. Numerous shanked putts inside 10ft straight left. With some squirty right ones thrown in.more slows than you can shake a stick at cost me a really good number. Getting used to brand new pad so bear with it and smile. Give it a few months and theyll be telling me to buy another one because im too consistent with it no doubt. Even though i was nowhere near the top of gir and proximity to the hole last week and just had a 68%long putt accurracy and get flagged cos i swung it consistently well. Not straight but well. Will make my piss itch until flick2k19 comes out. Good luck all this week and nice track eric. #kevinbacon4president! No one can answer me why we choose to set unnatural green speeds that just don’t play true to the game of golf. We apparently have such strict standards to get a course approved, by which designers spend countless hours to make their product pristine - then someone decides to slow greens down “to make it fun” but it just seems to cause odd effects especially in heavily contoured greens. Can we at least take a vote amongst the tour?
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Feb 18, 2019 8:25:32 GMT -5
I prefer 187's myself. I like em slick.
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Post by GW_Hope on Feb 18, 2019 8:28:08 GMT -5
In at -48 course was good setup was poor. Moderate vfast, firm moderate. I think the magical api crack pipe was getting passed round again. Numerous shanked putts inside 10ft straight left. With some squirty right ones thrown in.more slows than you can shake a stick at cost me a really good number. Getting used to brand new pad so bear with it and smile. Give it a few months and theyll be telling me to buy another one because im too consistent with it no doubt. Even though i was nowhere near the top of gir and proximity to the hole last week and just had a 68%long putt accurracy and get flagged cos i swung it consistently well. Not straight but well. Will make my piss itch until flick2k19 comes out. Good luck all this week and nice track eric. #kevinbacon4president! No one can answer me why we choose to set unnatural green speeds that just don’t play true to the game of golf. We apparently have such strict standards to get a course approved, by which designers spend countless hours to make their product pristine - then someone decides to slow greens down “to make it fun” but it just seems to cause odd effects especially in heavily contoured greens. Can we at least take a vote amongst the tour? HB should have made the adjustments minor so to keep the design intent intact. I have better things to complain about but if there was a vote I would leave them default.
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Post by CuseHokie on Feb 18, 2019 8:42:55 GMT -5
I prefer 187's myself. I like em slick. For sure. No one designs with 144 so just seems odd why someone thinks the game plays well like that. May as well turn rain and snow on if that’s the case.
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Post by rob4590 on Feb 18, 2019 8:44:14 GMT -5
What is the default speed of the greens? 144 to 187 is a HUGE difference - too much imo.
So I'd vote that you can only change the speed 1 notch in either direction:
eg if the default is between 163 and 187, then you only have three options: default (x), very fast (187) or fast (163)
There needs to be SOME variance - otherwise it starts to get 'same old, same old' when you have the course identical for 72 holes....
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Post by CuseHokie on Feb 18, 2019 8:51:41 GMT -5
What is the default speed of the greens? 144 to 187 is a HUGE difference - too much imo. So I'd vote that you can only change the speed 1 notch in either direction: eg if the default is between 163 and 187, then you only have three options: default (x), very fast (187) or fast (163) There needs to be SOME variance - otherwise it starts to get 'same old, same old' when you have the course identical for 72 holes.... Default is 187. Eric has lots of contouring (red slopes) so the 187s allow for the ball to release down the hill. 144 the balls stick to yellows at times so if you are a little offline you just are faced with super steep putts that 187s would’ve put you back down onto the flat. Given that most designers seem to be between 160-187, we should just stick it to that. I think the slowest I’ve seen for default was 153 on the Ryder Cup course and that was by design.
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Post by THESerenity21 on Feb 18, 2019 12:24:04 GMT -5
You guys are ridiculously good! I wasn’t expecting this to be a birdie-fest. I’m not sure how to make a course that you guys don’t shoot 55 on (of course, we all know how ‘stupid’ a course becomes if you can’t break 60). Haha I redesigned hole 8 completely so that it’s a lot more fair, so I’m surprised it’s still hated. That’s the proper quarry hole now! Enjoy guys, really appreciate Dale putting it on tour for you. Eric, first off I want to say that I’m so happy to hear that your son is doing better. I appreciate all the updates you’ve been giving during the operation and recovery. Will continue to lift up your family in prayer brother. As far as the course goes, it’s really well done man. Up there with the best we’ve played so far. It’s just the way it was setup (conditions) that makes it play different than one would think and give an advantage to some. I hope my previous comment did not come across negatively. I’m usually quiet on here but I have a strong opinion about some things that are going on with this game and I just wanted to give my 2 cents.
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Post by rob4590 on Feb 18, 2019 12:25:46 GMT -5
What is the default speed of the greens? 144 to 187 is a HUGE difference - too much imo. So I'd vote that you can only change the speed 1 notch in either direction: eg if the default is between 163 and 187, then you only have three options: default (x), very fast (187) or fast (163) There needs to be SOME variance - otherwise it starts to get 'same old, same old' when you have the course identical for 72 holes.... Default is 187. Eric has lots of contouring (red slopes) so the 187s allow for the ball to release down the hill. 144 the balls stick to yellows at times so if you are a little offline you just are faced with super steep putts that 187s would’ve put you back down onto the flat. Given that most designers seem to be between 160-187, we should just stick it to that. I think the slowest I’ve seen for default was 153 on the Ryder Cup course and that was by design.
Yeah - 144 is way too slow then. Maybe one round at 163 would have been fine, with the others at the default 187.
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Post by Cyclerob on Feb 18, 2019 14:01:21 GMT -5
Default is 187. Eric has lots of contouring (red slopes) so the 187s allow for the ball to release down the hill. 144 the balls stick to yellows at times so if you are a little offline you just are faced with super steep putts that 187s would’ve put you back down onto the flat. Given that most designers seem to be between 160-187, we should just stick it to that. I think the slowest I’ve seen for default was 153 on the Ryder Cup course and that was by design.
Yeah - 144 is way too slow then. Maybe one round at 163 would have been fine, with the others at the default 187.
I think that there should be a "range" for every parameters than coulb be adjusted so we don't end up with stuff that wasn't intended by a course designer and makes a great course play weird!
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Post by Cyclerob on Feb 18, 2019 14:01:42 GMT -5
Yeah - 144 is way too slow then. Maybe one round at 163 would have been fine, with the others at the default 187.
I think that there should be a "range" for every parameters than can be adjusted so we don't end up with stuff that wasn't intended by a course designer and makes a great course play weird!
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Post by Dave on Feb 18, 2019 16:27:38 GMT -5
Uhoh, Mr Day is at it again lol
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Post by mde8965 on Feb 18, 2019 19:03:06 GMT -5
Played all 4 rounds back to back today. Round 1 I was cruising along nicely. Birdied the first 5. Was 6 under after 7. Then after two approaches way right of the cone, on which I was lucky to salvage par, I had a double bogie on 10. That green and pin position just killed me. So now at 4 under on the 11th tee, I had to grit my teeth and play hard just to not embarrass myself. Luckily birdied the next 7 holes to finish the round at -11.
Round 2 I hit a really good number of tricky putts. Mostly kept out of trouble. With a couple of eagles in the round I shot -15.
I was going to stop there, but decided to play through and was ready to quit for the day if I felt my luck or my swing going bad. It was a solid round, but nothing extraordinary. -13
-39 after three rounds. I set a goal of -55, so knew I needed to play solid and smart. Neither of which I did and limped home with a -8 and -47 for the tourney. Mid pack finish for me. Who was I kidding thinking top 10 was possible anyway??
No complaints about the course. It was fun and the greens were challenging. I would play this course again anytime. The green speed thing, while I’m not a fan of slow greens, these were doable. However anything slower and it would be a rage fest. At least the winds weren’t over 20mph this week. I detest artificially high winds.
Good luck all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 20:25:11 GMT -5
Alright gents, I'm learning something very important here, and it needs to be thrown out there because as I ponder through the development of this project, I can't allow Dale to take the blame for this at all.
The scheduler asked me for my idea of possible conditions per round, including wind speed and direction, green firmness and speed, etc. and I replied with a full list of conditions I had tested out for PGA play. I don't think we actually used "slow" as a condition on any of the greens if I recall, but apparently the "categories" are relative maybe? In other words, with my greens set to 187 in the designer, maybe when we choose "moderate" green speed it's bringing it down to 144, where in my mind I was thinking that was more in the 163 range, but apparently not. Dale and I NEVER talked about making the greens a specific number, so we never talked about putting them at 144 to make it brutal or anything like that. I think this was an honest mistake made by ME now that I'm seeing how this is playing out. And the only explanation I can come up with is that the word "moderate" on a course where the greens are 187 in the designer, actually means 144 on the meter. UGH!
I take every bit of responsibility for this if you guys are hating the green speeds, because the scheduler asked me what to put the conditions at, and I made incorrect assumptions on the actual values that would hit the course based on the vague word description. I definitely apologize, and I will know for next time to be more specific with my testing so that I'm talking numbers instead of categories.
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Post by Doyley on Feb 18, 2019 20:33:23 GMT -5
Alright gents, I'm learning something very important here, and it needs to be thrown out there because as I ponder through the development of this project, I can't allow Dale to take the blame for this at all. The scheduler asked me for my idea of possible conditions per round, including wind speed and direction, green firmness and speed, etc. and I replied with a full list of conditions I had tested out for PGA play. I don't think we actually used "slow" as a condition on any of the greens if I recall, but apparently the "categories" are relative maybe? In other words, with my greens set to 187 in the designer, maybe when we choose "moderate" green speed it's bringing it down to 144, where in my mind I was thinking that was more in the 163 range, but apparently not. Dale and I NEVER talked about making the greens a specific number, so we never talked about putting them at 144 to make it brutal or anything like that. I think this was an honest mistake made by ME now that I'm seeing how this is playing out. And the only explanation I can come up with is that the word "moderate" on a course where the greens are 187 in the designer, actually means 144 on the meter. UGH! I take every bit of responsibility for this if you guys are hating the green speeds, because the scheduler asked me what to put the conditions at, and I made incorrect assumptions on the actual values that would hit the course based on the vague word description. I definitely apologize, and I will know for next time to be more specific with my testing so that I'm talking numbers instead of categories. Very Fast = 187 Fast = 163 Moderate = 144 Slow = 120? Very Slow = sludge of death
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 20:43:12 GMT -5
^^ Confirmed, this is 100% my fault guys.
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