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Post by CuseHokie on Apr 1, 2019 18:10:43 GMT -5
I'm kind of on Ron's side here. I don't like to hate on the tours but a lot of stuff has gone away from what it is like in real life and in my opinion that sucks, it really does. When I won the Sony Open back in 2017 I should have an invitation to the next years T.O.C regardless of what game it is on. I understand the staff here do a lot of work behind the scenes to keep everything going and I appreciate that but the real world element is what kept me interested fully. Anyway that's all I have to say. Honestly if we went on WGR - wouldn’t that be a disservice for the people that were once good at a previous game as well as for people that are good at the new game (and maybe didn’t play in the last one)? Just seems like using FedEx which is relevant to this season is a better barometer of assembling a competitive field.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 18:20:45 GMT -5
I'm kind of on Ron's side here. I don't like to hate on the tours but a lot of stuff has gone away from what it is like in real life and in my opinion that sucks, it really does. When I won the Sony Open back in 2017 I should have an invitation to the next years T.O.C regardless of what game it is on. I understand the staff here do a lot of work behind the scenes to keep everything going and I appreciate that but the real world element is what kept me interested fully. Anyway that's all I have to say. Honestly if we went on WGR - wouldn’t that be a disservice for the people that were once good at a previous game as well as for people that are good at the new game (and maybe didn’t play in the last one)? Just seems like using FedEx which is relevant to this season is a better barometer of assembling a competitive field. Sorry, I meant to say the exemption thing is my main worry. If you get an exemption into a tourney regardless of what game it is played on you should still be able to use it. Obviously all the other rules etc apply that are currently in use.
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Post by Brighttail on Apr 1, 2019 18:46:21 GMT -5
WGR may have to wait until week 40 and then what? TGC 2020 comes out and we start over again, so it will be good for what 13 weeks? The decision not to reset was fine due to the coding hassle but we are going to find ourselves back in the same situation the next TGC game that drops. Or are we? When 2020 drops are you planning to keep the WGR in play and select future majors/WGC events based on it next season? That seems doubtful and if it is, unfair as we should have done that this year. As for qualifying for tournaments from past year's performance it worked fine and then TGCT moved to WT and things quickly turned into an elite club. When we originally started, if you had a bad stretch or RL came a knocking, you still had your WGR to fall back on and you felt good about that cause you had earned that ranking. Even when we moved from TGC 1 to 2, we weren't penalized for the adjustment period or because HB fubared a swing and took months to fix it. We had done the work earlier and we could still be rewarded for previous seasons. We have people purposely requesting demotion from the PGA cause they feel they can't compete while others are struggling to get up there and where do those people go, right where we are. Even after all that, it would be a helluva lot more bearable if we were allowed to play on some of the premier. We don't have to play Magnolia next week but later on the season it would be a nice treat. It would be nice to play the new Pebble Beach too but nope... those courses that everyone should be able to play are reserved in tournaments for one tour and 120 or so players out of what 5k? theclv24 deserves having as many people play his course in competition, even if the tournament isn't called "The Masters", as possible.
As for the exemptions, I offered Doyley in the first year to keep track of all winners of previous tournaments for this purpose and he said it would be too much of a hassle and he would only do it for Majors/WGC events & The Players. That changed with the WT.
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Post by Doyley on Apr 7, 2019 18:22:42 GMT -5
This is the official FedEx points list - the one on the site has a few duplicate entries (site bug we haven't squished yet) Top 110 got in. [gsheet width="250" height="500" style="background-color:#102B4D"]1GBOnkzuPnajnLiqfJVl33G5I_Zo4KzIKcYoFwKIzyKo[/gsheet] 2019 Masters Tournament - Field
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Post by twoplanetsaway on Apr 18, 2019 11:54:57 GMT -5
This forum was an interesting read. Gonna throw this little tidbit in here cause it kind of bothered me a bit. So as you know, this game is nonsense on Xbox. To go from Euro to PGA via the promotion system is nothing short of a miracle. My dude Artie Pearsall (AP3putt) through some amazingly consistent play, grinds out his 5 top 10s to qualify for PGA the week prior to the Masters. Then doesn’t get to play the Masters because he had yet to accrue FedEx Cup points. That’s cold man. To me, if you’re in the PGA, you should be in any major. You’ve made it to the top level of what is it now? 11 divisions? That’s a crazy accomplishment and you should be rewarded for it regardless of your timing, especially when that entails a brutal Euro grind rather than a rocket promotion. 0.02.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 12:09:18 GMT -5
This forum was an interesting read. Gonna throw this little tidbit in here cause it kind of bothered me a bit. So as you know, this game is nonsense on Xbox. To go from Euro to PGA via the promotion system is nothing short of a miracle. My dude Artie Pearsall (AP3putt) through some amazingly consistent play, grinds out his 5 top 10s to qualify for PGA the week prior to the Masters. Then doesn’t get to play the Masters because he had yet to accrue FedEx Cup points. That’s cold man. To me, if you’re in the PGA, you should be in any major. You’ve made it to the top level of what is it now? 11 divisions? That’s a crazy accomplishment and you should be rewarded for it regardless of your timing, especially when that entails a brutal Euro grind rather than a rocket promotion. 0.02. Huh? So it would be like any other week then? Shouldn't a Major seem like a bigger deal, especially the Masters? It has special qualifications IRL and has a limited field size, which is also done here (less restrictive here, BTW, than IRL).
Sucks on the timing, and getting to PGA on XB1 is a huge accomplishment in of itself.
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Post by twoplanetsaway on Apr 18, 2019 12:27:06 GMT -5
I get your point but surely it’s not the same as any other week if you add all former champs and amateur qualifying right? I’m fine with hyper realism if it’s constant but there are too many things that aren’t realistic at all to be a stickler on this issue. We function more like football in terms of promotions/demotions, there aren’t sponsors exemptions anymore which are a big part of real golf, and we just had the World Tour. So if a few more people get a chance to compete at the highest level, I can’t really see the harm. It’s all just fun right?
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Post by twoplanetsaway on Apr 18, 2019 12:33:21 GMT -5
And I was only talking about the majors btw, so the WGCs would still provide that exclusive feel of elite competition over the course of the season no?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 12:50:26 GMT -5
I get your point but surely it’s not the same as any other week if you add all former champs and amateur qualifying right? I’m fine with hyper realism if it’s constant but there are too many things that aren’t realistic at all to be a stickler on this issue. We function more like football in terms of promotions/demotions, there aren’t sponsors exemptions anymore which are a big part of real golf, and we just had the World Tour. So if a few more people get a chance to compete at the highest level, I can’t really see the harm. It’s all just fun right? Personally I could have it either way. Have everyone play with a normal cutline? Sure. Have it reasonably recreate what you see happen at the actual Masters, but take into account that some liberties are taken for the ease of Admin? Also sure.
Just remember this is done by volunteers who aren't paid for their time.
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Post by twoplanetsaway on Apr 18, 2019 14:05:05 GMT -5
Obviously this is a great site and I’m glad it’s here. I wasn’t really knocking any prior decisions made, but merely pointing out that plenty don’t mirror real life either, like what I suggested, which is fine. And If anything, what I suggested would save time with all this FedEx points/WGR calculation stuff. You’d just be adding major winners from previous seasons outside the PGA and the amateurs that already get in through the qualfication process to the PGA field. But whatever the process is going forward, first world problems lol. I just enjoy the passion for golf in the community and debates like this are part of the reason why TGCtours is a special place.
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Post by killahbeaz132 on Apr 18, 2019 15:22:23 GMT -5
I agree that it is quite the accomplishment to get promoted on XB1 from Euro to PGA. I had to do it as well and it was no easy task. AP3Putt is a really good player, I've seen his scores on the leaderboards often. I've spoken to it before, that I haven't played on any other system other than XB1 so I can't comment on the difficulty PC/PS4, but I'm sure there's issues there. I know the statistics of how many XB1 players there are on PGA tour as opposed to others, but I think that XB1 players can compete. Maybe that's pie in the sky, but I believe it can be done. I think that there should be some of those qualifications to get to the majors/wgc events. I missed the Match Play because I haven't had enough time to try to get in to the top 64 of the FedEx Cup points. That being said, with all of the great things that the TGCTours admins do for, I agree with Peter in the fact that this is a special place with a lot of quality people that administer and play on this tour.
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Post by theduke21 on Apr 28, 2019 2:03:44 GMT -5
Am I seeing it right that the PGA is at the same place as last year? Fine course and all, but has zero PGA Championship vibes to it and there's a great Bethpage Black published in the game.
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Post by rob4590 on Apr 28, 2019 3:04:21 GMT -5
Am I seeing it right that the PGA is at the same place as last year? Fine course and all, but has zero PGA Championship vibes to it and there's a great Bethpage Black published in the game.
While I agree that it should not be at a course from TGC1 or 2 like Turo Wero is - the PGA championship last year was at Bellerive (both IRL and in-game)
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Post by staypuft39 on Apr 28, 2019 7:06:49 GMT -5
Am I seeing it right that the PGA is at the same place as last year? Fine course and all, but has zero PGA Championship vibes to it and there's a great Bethpage Black published in the game. I had no idea we weren't using Bethpage, but I do believe it is a LiDAR version, so maybe that is why. Don't think any will make it on tour because they cause some consoles to crash. I know there was a non-lidar version at some point, but not sure if it's done too...I would imagine the schedulers would have considered it.
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Apr 28, 2019 15:59:36 GMT -5
Am I seeing it right that the PGA is at the same place as last year? Fine course and all, but has zero PGA Championship vibes to it and there's a great Bethpage Black published in the game. You've lost a year Tyler - Turu Wero hosted the 2017 US Open
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