Major Announcement tonight on "What's Going on?"

[zzfr33b1rdzz]

Hey rusteerabbit, have you noticed on XB1 with masters that if you look at your player on screen at the very top of the back swing there is a slight jitter in the club... when you see that, push forward to complete the downswing..

I've noticed I get many more P/P shots when timing that jitter effect.

Though I am most consistent with either a F/P or a P/F, so I've just adjusted to it.

I expect about an additional 5yds per F, and 10 if I hit a F/F..

Not ideal, but it is what it is.

BTW, great last name!!

[adx321]

Nov 13, 2018 22:37:10 GMT -5 Brighttail said:

You should also consider Brighttail to be on your staff cause this is pretty much exactly what I predicted at the start of the q-school.

It's pretty much what I predicted when the turds at HB announced difficulty levels

Of course, people are going to cheese it, that's what people do.  Anyone playing an online game of Madden knows this

[xterminator24]

Just wanted to chime in and thank the Admins for making a change when it was needed. There’s always going to be cases to be made on why these changes are “too far” or “not far enough”. Overall I think the majority of members will see an improvement in competition from this.

I hope everyone is patient and gives the changes a few weeks to sort out all those players that start swapping club sets. This is bound to result in a shuffle of players up and down the CC Tours. For me, I enjoy the Masters clubs and simply want some competition with others capable of shooting similar scores with whatever club set they choose. After Q School, people either drastically improved or swapped to lower clubsets (Beginner) which was harming the overall competitive balance across all CC levels.

The new Beginner tour will hopefully be a great introduction to TGC Tours and give players the itch to jump into Q School and start earning promotion points.

[rattus1511]

Good changes guys. I only joined in the late stages of TGC 2 but am impressed by how fluid you've been in the lead up and during season 5 as we're all finding out way with the new game. I have 2 questions/concerns which have been raised but I wanted to add my thoughts to the pile. 

1. Why would you allow people to do Q school again? This might be ok for those that went through q school originally with beginner clubs assuming those players should be in a lower tour than they were originally if forced (and willing) to play with pros. However, if you just want to go and play the beginner tour for a week or 2 then you should retain your previous tour card. Even by adding the time penalty to return to Q school, I don't think you're taking away the incentive to have more than one go at Q school. If you were on CC-A, you would have to consider it as an option if you fail to move up to the pro tours after the promotion event, leading on to my second point...

2. It is obvious from comments on this and other threads that there needs to be more incentive to play with master clubs in CC-A. A master user in cc-a or someone on the edge of demotion in web.com are in a terrible position as it will take them weeks to get out. Potentially that length of time is shorter right now with the first promotion event coming up but after that it will be a tough road to get out of CC-A (without dropping down to pros). We should be rewarding those looking to legitimately get onto a Pro tour. Plenty of suggestions are flying around, I like top 10 pros and top 10 masters (no matter where they finish overall) receiving marks. Top on each club set gets 2. I believe the 2 cons we face are that either the playing field on a given flight(s) is fragmented or that master users will have a much smaller chance of promotion than other flights. For me, this place is driven by the idea of promotion/demotion so limiting one group's promotion ability (outside of beginner's clubs) should be the last resort. Having CC-A as the one fragmented tour is a better result and can only be avoided if you were to ban pro clubs (or masters for argument's sake). 

[ABU_Bear]

Nov 14, 2018 11:36:33 GMT -5 SmilingGoats said:

We will call it the Beginner Clubs Tour. That speaks to the clubset you can use (which is the entire purpose) not the player ability, per se.

My vote still goes to calling it The Huggies Tour

[Brighttail]

I sent you a note brianfuller75.  I'd be happy to work with you as much as I can to help you with your mouse swing.  We'll try to figure out something that will allow you to play and practice with pro clubs.

[ErixonStone]

Nov 14, 2018 14:34:41 GMT -5 rattus1511 said:

1. Why would you allow people to do Q school again? This might be ok for those that went through q school originally with beginner clubs assuming those players should be in a lower tour than they were originally if forced (and willing) to play with pros. However, if you just want to go and play the beginner tour for a week or 2 then you should retain your previous tour card. Even by adding the time penalty to return to Q school, I don't think you're taking away the incentive to have more than one go at Q school. If you were on CC-A, you would have to consider it as an option if you fail to move up to the pro tours after the promotion event.

In theory, you have a valid point. But what is the likelihood that someone struggling to earn promotion marks at CC-A drops down to Beginner Clubs for four weeks, and improves enough to place into Web.com during a Q-school event, meaning he would have to finish about 4 strokes better than the player in 20th place (110% of the promotion mark line).

Moreover, how would it affect the tours if a player struggling in CC-G drops down to Beginner Tour for a few months and gets better at the game - enough so that he improves by 3 or 4 strokes per round. When he returns to the CC Tour, he is clearly much better than most of his CC-G counterparts. It takes him 3 weeks before he wins an event and a promotion to CC-F... Repeat this for each flight until he reaches his level... say CC-B. Wouldn't it be better for both that player and the lower flights to not be dominated by these players?

Nov 14, 2018 14:34:41 GMT -5 rattus1511 said:

2. It is obvious from comments on this and other threads that there needs to be more incentive to play with master clubs in CC-A. A master user in cc-a or someone on the edge of demotion in web.com are in a terrible position as it will take them weeks to get out. Potentially that length of time is shorter right now with the first promotion event coming up but after that it will be a tough road to get out of CC-A (without dropping down to pros). We should be rewarding those looking to legitimately get onto a Pro tour. Plenty of suggestions are flying around, I like top 10 pros and top 10 masters (no matter where they finish overall) receiving marks. Top on each club set gets 2. I believe the 2 cons we face are that either the playing field on a given flight(s) is fragmented or that master users will have a much smaller chance of promotion than other flights. For me, this place is driven by the idea of promotion/demotion so limiting one group's promotion ability (outside of beginner's clubs) should be the last resort. Having CC-A as the one fragmented tour is a better result and can only be avoided if you were to ban pro clubs (or masters for argument's sake). 

I think we'll ultimately get there. Not quite sure about how it all shakes out but it will be interesting to see the participation in the periodic promotional events. I'm sure this will continue to be monitored closely.

[xyzvlad]

I'm just happy that there is a home for this guy now!

www.tgctours.com/Tournament/holebyhole?tournamentPlayerId=482186

It is beginning to make sense

[rusteerabbit]

Thanks for the tip brother!

I will definitely look closely at the top of the swing when I am able to fire the game up. Would be great to have enough confidence in the Masters clubs to gain enjoyment out of them

[IGolfBad]

Oh boy, how much fun would He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named be with all this?

Oddly, I kinda miss his antics and the chaos he spurred.

🍿🍿🍿

[runicstarfish]

I have been playing TGC Tours since late in 1, most of TGC 2, but must admit not one round in 2019.
(not a downloadable person, physical copy not out yet).

Having said that, I extremely enjoyed playing, reading, and participating in these forums.

First, will like to say what a wonderful job the admins, and the staff have done with this site, and the TGC Tours itself.

1. Great Tours
2. Great competition
3. Fair playing level
4. Great forum (the banter, communications, advise is awesome !!)
5. It's all about enjoying the game

Now with regards to #3, Fair playing level - do we have that ... answer is no.
A fair playing level IMO is this:
Same course, same pin sets, same weather conditions, same club set. Yes I said it ... same club set !!

So why not make the tours by club set.

MASTER TOUR - ONLY FOR MASTER CLUBS (any skill set)

PGA
EURO
WEB

PRO TOUR - ONLY FOR PRO CLUBS (any skill set)

CC-A
CC-B
CC-C
CC-D

BEGINNERS TOURS - ONLY FOR BEGINNERS CLUBS

CC-E
CC-F
CC-G
CC-Z

Golfers are promoted/demoted within their own tour. Whatever their own skill set is.

You want to move up a tour, re-take Q-school with the appropriate club, and receive a tour card for that tour/club set.

Each tour, would either have to add or remove a flight to accommodate the number of golfer participants.

This is just an opinion of mine, and a simple solution that could work.


Thoughts ?

[grantcrichter]

Nov 14, 2018 18:49:41 GMT -5 runicstarfish said:

I have been playing TGC Tours since late in 1, most of TGC 2, but must admit not one round in 2019.
(not a downloadable person, physical copy not out yet).

Having said that, I extremely enjoyed playing, reading, and participating in these forums.

First, will like to say what a wonderful job the admins, and the staff have done with this site, and the TGC Tours itself.

1. Great Tours
2. Great competition
3. Fair playing level
4. Great forum (the banter, communications, advise is awesome !!)
5. It's all about enjoying the game

Now with regards to #3, Fair playing level - do we have that ... answer is no.
A fair playing level IMO is this:
Same course, same pin sets, same weather conditions, same club set. Yes I said it ... same club set !!

So why not make the tours by club set.

MASTER TOUR - ONLY FOR MASTER CLUBS (any skill set)

PGA
EURO
WEB

PRO TOUR - ONLY FOR PRO CLUBS (any skill set)

CC-A
CC-B
CC-C
CC-D

BEGINNERS TOURS - ONLY FOR BEGINNERS CLUBS

CC-E
CC-F
CC-G
CC-Z

Golfers are promoted/demoted within their own tour. Whatever their own skill set is.

You want to move up a tour, re-take Q-school with the appropriate club, and receive a tour card for that tour/club set.

Each tour, would either have to add or remove a flight to accommodate the number of golfer participants.

This is just an opinion of mine, and a simple solution that could work.


Thoughts ?

Great idea. Give people who choose to play beginner clubs more than just 1 tour. I guess we will see how many beginner clubs players we have

[zzfr33b1rdzz]

No

8-12%

[runicstarfish]

The point is not creating more tours or flights for the beginner club set ... as that can be adjusted accordingly to the amount of players within the tour.
But my suggestion was to make a TOUR to a specific club set.

[boffo]

Nov 14, 2018 20:00:33 GMT -5 runicstarfish said:

The point is not creating more tours or flights for the beginner club set ... as that can be adjusted accordingly to the amount of players within the tour.
But my suggestion was to make a TOUR to a specific club set.

And then the Xbox and PC mouse users will each want their own seperate tours because they're not on a level playing field with everyone else.  I think at this point a level playing field while maintaining a competitive tiered Tour structure is just a pipe dream as there's too many points of division right now.  And you'd really lose that sense of community we have, all striving for one ultimate goal if everyone starts getting fractured off into their own little seperate sub-sections.