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Post by Oblong on Feb 2, 2015 7:36:23 GMT -5
I'd pay for some new golf outfits, not thrilled with the limited choices. I'd also chip in for custom equipment (looks only), more designer tools and textures, and most of all for XB1 to get off these 720p graphics - they should be embarrassed with that. There isn't much they can do about 720p on Xbox One. That is due to the Xbox being slightly worse than the PS4 in performance and also much worse than PC. Actually there is plenty they can do. TGC is one of the only 720p games on X1, most are 900p or 1080p. Microsoft just released a new SDK (software development kit) which allows use of the 7th core that had been reserved for Kinect. This immediately gives devs about 10-20% more computing power to harness. X1 was also built with DX12 tools in mind and has a few more tricks up its sleeve. PS4 has more raw power but the X1 has some areas where it's games have and will continue to have an edge. No fanboy talk here, I own both systems...just like the controller on X1 more for golf. If hbs tried I know this game should and likely will look better on X1. |
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Post by MrSourNinja on Feb 2, 2015 13:42:27 GMT -5
There isn't much they can do about 720p on Xbox One. That is due to the Xbox being slightly worse than the PS4 in performance and also much worse than PC. Actually there is plenty they can do. TGC is one of the only 720p games on X1, most are 900p or 1080p. Microsoft just released a new SDK (software development kit) which allows use of the 7th core that had been reserved for Kinect. This immediately gives devs about 10-20% more computing power to harness. X1 was also built with DX12 tools in mind and has a few more tricks up its sleeve. PS4 has more raw power but the X1 has some areas where it's games have and will continue to have an edge. No fanboy talk here, I own both systems...just like the controller on X1 more for golf. If hbs tried I know this game should and likely will look better on X1. You are correct in a few areas but there is a couple issues with your ideas. For one to increase resolution from 720p to 900p we be an increase in pixels of roughly 65% , which unfortunately probably wolnt be covered by that extra unlocked core. Obviously we have no idea how close they were to getting it running on 900p but in a blog post they referenced the new sdk and said it prolly wolnt change anything. Also DX12 isn't in use yet and there isn't confirmation (that I know of) that it will come to Xbox one, nor is there any info (that I know of) showing how much it will help APU's which is what the Xbox one has. Frankly I want everyone to get the best looking game possible and while I play on pc I would be happy if they were able to up the resolution. I just am trying to tell you not to get your hopes up to far. Tbh if I were you I'd rather then put the time and money into new features rather than slightly upping resolution anyways.  |
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Post by schatuk on Feb 2, 2015 14:21:36 GMT -5
If hbs tried I know this game should and likely will look better on X1. Better than it does now? Possibly, but I agree with ninja about the res boost - it's by no means guaranteed. Better than the other versions? Not a chance. |
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Post by Oblong on Feb 2, 2015 15:48:32 GMT -5
If hbs tried I know this game should and likely will look better on X1. Better than it does now? Possibly, but I agree with ninja about the res boost - it's by no means guaranteed. Better than the other versions? Not a chance. Not better on X1 "than PS4 or PC"...just would look better on X1. 720p to 900p is a big difference in visuals. 900p to 1080p not so much. If they got it to just 900p then it would look comparable to the PS4 version (at least to the untrained eye). Again, most all games on X1 are at least 900p so there is no reason to say TGC is pushing the CPU or GPU harder than other full HD titles that also run at least 30fps. It just needs some optimization and usage of MS tools to improve to an acceptable resolution. If they can't or refuse to work on that then their game will look especially bad compared to EA's golf game which I guarantee you will be at full HD resolution. |
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Post by MrSourNinja on Feb 2, 2015 17:02:59 GMT -5
Better than it does now? Possibly, but I agree with ninja about the res boost - it's by no means guaranteed. Better than the other versions? Not a chance. Not better on X1 "than PS4 or PC"...just would look better on X1. 720p to 900p is a big difference in visuals. 900p to 1080p not so much. If they got it to just 900p then it would look comparable to the PS4 version (at least to the untrained eye). Again, most all games on X1 are at least 900p so there is no reason to say TGC is pushing the CPU or GPU harder than other full HD titles that also run at least 30fps. It just needs some optimization and usage of MS tools to improve to an acceptable resolution. If they can't or refuse to work on that then their game will look especially bad compared to EA's golf game which I guarantee you will be at full HD resolution. The issue is that if they could make it run at 900p 30fps why wouldn't they have done it by now. 720p to 900p is a HUGE difference in performance needed to push it. Plus due to the real time generation and full map loading of TGC im sure it does tax hardware more than most modern titles. Take my situation for example. On PC I run BF4 on a mix of settings as high as ULTRA at 60+ fps where as on some courses I run The Golf Club at 30fps on medium. It is a very taxing game. |
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Post by kulch on Feb 2, 2015 17:14:31 GMT -5
i think i paid about $20 for this game - it was the pre-release price i usually paid AUD$80-$100 for a tiger woods game and then another $50 for extra courses, therefore HB have atleast another $100 from me to play with before i start feeling 'ripped off' |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 18:48:56 GMT -5
I just want a lobby.
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Post by Oblong on Feb 2, 2015 18:54:53 GMT -5
Not better on X1 "than PS4 or PC"...just would look better on X1. 720p to 900p is a big difference in visuals. 900p to 1080p not so much. If they got it to just 900p then it would look comparable to the PS4 version (at least to the untrained eye). Again, most all games on X1 are at least 900p so there is no reason to say TGC is pushing the CPU or GPU harder than other full HD titles that also run at least 30fps. It just needs some optimization and usage of MS tools to improve to an acceptable resolution. If they can't or refuse to work on that then their game will look especially bad compared to EA's golf game which I guarantee you will be at full HD resolution. The issue is that if they could make it run at 900p 30fps why wouldn't they have done it by now. 720p to 900p is a HUGE difference in performance needed to push it. Plus due to the real time generation and full map loading of TGC im sure it does tax hardware more than most modern titles. Take my situation for example. On PC I run BF4 on a mix of settings as high as ULTRA at 60+ fps where as on some courses I run The Golf Club at 30fps on medium. It is a very taxing game. Well it's all conjecture since neither of us knows. HBS have not ruled out that they will improve X1 resolution. I am sure EA's golf game will be minimum 900p on X1 and they said their courses will be fully loaded into memory with no waiting between holes. All I am saying the X1 hardware is not the issue, it can be done. Whether HBS chooses to do it or not is the issue. As mentioned there are new tools, an extra core now open, and they are learning more so there is plenty reason to say why they may not been able to do it 6 months ago but now the excuses are diminishing. Furthermore that they haven't ruled it out when questioned on their forums gives hope. In fact, I'd be willing to bet on it. |
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Post by MrSourNinja on Feb 2, 2015 19:30:06 GMT -5
The issue is that if they could make it run at 900p 30fps why wouldn't they have done it by now. 720p to 900p is a HUGE difference in performance needed to push it. Plus due to the real time generation and full map loading of TGC im sure it does tax hardware more than most modern titles. Take my situation for example. On PC I run BF4 on a mix of settings as high as ULTRA at 60+ fps where as on some courses I run The Golf Club at 30fps on medium. It is a very taxing game. Well it's all conjecture since neither of us knows. HBS have not ruled out that they will improve X1 resolution. I am sure EA's golf game will be minimum 900p on X1 and they said their courses will be fully loaded into memory with no waiting between holes. All I am saying the X1 hardware is not the issue, it can be done. Whether HBS chooses to do it or not is the issue. As mentioned there are new tools, an extra core now open, and they are learning more so there is plenty reason to say why they may not been able to do it 6 months ago but now the excuses are diminishing. Furthermore that they haven't ruled it out when questioned on their forums gives hope. In fact, I'd be willing to bet on it. That's a bet I'd take. I don't think the extra core is worth much. Nor are any of the DX Tools that haven't even been confirmed to be coming to Xbox One or benefit APU's. I'd say there is a 99% chance the resolution won't be upped. EA's PGA Tour golf will run on Frostbite 3 which is a very adaptable engine. I wouldn't be surprised if the game was 1080p on all consoles just like they used to be on PS3/Xbox 360. |
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Post by schatuk on Feb 2, 2015 20:12:04 GMT -5
All I am saying the X1 hardware is not the issue, it can be done. The X1 hardware is very much the issue. A 40% shortfall in raw power will not be overcome by tweaks. The gap may have narrowed slightly with the changes and a more mature instruction set, but it's far from closed, nor will it ever be. Don't get me wrong, I like it (I also have both) but there's no sense in pretending it's something that it isn't. Also just because X game is able to run at a particular resolution doesn't mean that Y game can too. Comparing TGC to the next EA Golf game is comparing apples and oranges. Two completely different codebases, 1 small indie team and one massive one funded by the largest publisher in the world. |
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Post by Oblong on Feb 2, 2015 20:52:04 GMT -5
We shall see I guess. I will close with this regarding the 40% power advantage on PS4...I just don't see it, games look about the same to me when I switch back and forth. I even have a couple on both platforms. Some websites give magnifier tools just to help spot the differences, lol. You'd think this 40% power advantage would show more easily. Now on TGC between X1<PS4<PC I see huge difference between each quite easily. Yet I play on X1 because of where my pc is set up and I like the X1 controller most, so graphics are least important of how I like to play. Guess I'm saying even if they didn't do a performance bump on X1 it wouldn't matter to me. But I think they both can and will do so. I'll take those 99 to 1 odds SourNinja and put up $1 to maybe win $99.   |
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