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Post by golferdude1994 on May 23, 2018 10:15:57 GMT -5
Is their a prize or compensation for the winner or winners . How does a "congratulations" and a pat on the back sound? That sounds sufficient enough my good sir!
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Post by theclv24 on May 23, 2018 11:32:13 GMT -5
Here you go PithyDoctorG! I enjoyed this too much. I apologize in advance to mrvinegar206, because I am actually hijacking your thread for Round 2. - Perhaps the most influential architect on the modern design industry, the list of architects who have worked in some form under this pioneer includes Tom Doak, Bill Coore, Tim Liddy, Jim Urbina, and Rod Whitman.
- A member of the Philadelphia School of Design and a contributor to the design at Merion, this architect’s crown jewel will be on display in June, his 1930’s re-design of Shinnecock Hills.
- What do you get when a former Lido competition winner with design work under the likes of Tom Doak and Coore and Crenshaw pairs up with one of Coore and Crenshaw’s most experienced shapers? A new standard in municipal golf, the Winter Park 9.
- A lawyer and former club secretary for Sunningdale Golf Club, his list of original designs include Royal Portrush and Swinley Forest, and in the US, Burning Tree and Old Elm, while his renovation work and contributions include the likes of Royal Lytham & St. Annes, Royal St. George’s, Royal Liverpool, Muirfield, and Pine Valley. It’s no wonder, then, that he was named the greatest architect of all time by LINKS Magazine.
- The only member of this list with no completed designs to his name, this architect spent his life working on a single course, Pine Valley. He freely consulted all of the leading architects of the world during Pine Valley’s construction, but did not live to see the course completed, as the 12th-15th holes were incomplete at the time of his death.
- This Scot was a two-time Open Champion (1887 & 1889), and designed over 170 courses in the British Isles, Europe, the US, and Canada. His notable designs include Sunningdale Old, Maidstone, and the North Course at Olympia Fields. Along with Donald Ross, he was considered one of the first to make golf course design a full-time profession.
- The works of this prolific duo were concentrated in the Midwest United States during the Golden Age era, and while they have largely been obscured over time, their work is currently experiencing a resurgence. Their notable designs at The Links at Lawsonia, Skokie Country Club, and Wakonda are some of the boldest you will see, so it’s no surprise the duo was heavily influenced by the designer in #10 and Charles Banks.
- Famously partnered in a firm with the designer in #4, along with John Morrison and Alistair MacKenzie. While often considered a sidekick to some of his more famous partners, he made a brief but impactful tour of Japan in 1930 that led to the creation of Hirono Golf Club, among others, and is considered to have had the greatest influence on golf architecture in Japan.
- A former apprentice for Tom Doak, this modern designer had a fairly small, but impactful portfolio of courses in Michigan, including Kingsley Club and Greywalls, until the 2013 completion of his Cape Wickham course in Australia, which has landed in the Top 25 of multiple World Top 100 lists.
- One of the few influential architects to not have been a golfer himself, he was a freelance land surveyor and civil engineer living in Long Island when he was hired to work for a man by the name of MacDonald. The result of their collaboration was the National Golf Links of America, and the beginning of a golf design career that produced over 100 courses. While his mentor was responsible for the “template hole” design philosophy, this designer’s name may be even more closely associated with the template hole than any other designer.
- One of the more overshadowed architects of the Golden Age era, his design peak unfortunately coincided with the Great Depression, severely limiting his design portfolio. Known for his bold green contouring, he collaborated with MacKenzie on Crystal Downs Country Club, while his individual accomplishments include Southern Hills, Prairie Dunes, and the Old Town Club. His name is rarely associated with perhaps his most famous gig, however, which was a 1937 Augusta National renovation that resulted in the 10th green being moved back to its current location.
- You will find a lot of debate over the quality of this designer’s work, but with over 300 courses to his name, it is hard to deny his influence. The son of a Pennsylvania greenskeeper, he is much more well-known for his professional golf career, and helped pioneer the modern era of former players-turned-designers. A sad contribution to the golf design industry, which has fortunately faded away, was the introduction of “Signature” designs.
- Born in Toronto and growing up as a caddie at Toronto Golf Club, this designer partnered with Robert Trent Jones for much of the 1930’s. His individual work throughout Canada made him the country’s most influential designer, with courses such as Banff Springs and Jasper Park to his name. The artistic flair of his high-lipped and sand-flashed bunkers are one of his calling cards.
- Another member of the Philadelphia School of Design, this architect was close friends with other influential architects Hugh Wilson, A.W. Tillinghast, and the designer in #2, and was another famous contributor to Pine Valley. This is all easy to forget, though, as he is much more famous for his triumvirate of classic partnerships with William P. Bell in Los Angeles: Riviera, Bel-Air, and Los Angeles Country Clubs.
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Post by jwfickett on May 23, 2018 12:38:08 GMT -5
Here you go PithyDoctorG ! I enjoyed this too much. I apologize in advance to mrvinegar206 , because I am actually hijacking your thread for Round 2. - Perhaps the most influential architect on the modern design industry, the list of architects who have worked in some form under this pioneer includes Tom Doak, Bill Coore, Tim Liddy, Jim Urbina, and Rod Whitman.
- A member of the Philadelphia School of Design and a contributor to the design at Merion, this architect’s crown jewel will be on display in June, his 1930’s re-design of Shinnecock Hills.
- What do you get when a former Lido competition winner with design work under the likes of Tom Doak and Coore and Crenshaw pairs up with one of Coore and Crenshaw’s most experienced shapers? A new standard in municipal golf, the Winter Park 9.
- A lawyer and former club secretary for Sunningdale Golf Club, his list of original designs include Royal Portrush and Swinley Forest, and in the US, Burning Tree and Old Elm, while his renovation work and contributions include the likes of Royal Lytham & St. Annes, Royal St. George’s, Royal Liverpool, Muirfield, and Pine Valley. It’s no wonder, then, that he was named the greatest architect of all time by LINKS Magazine.
- The only member of this list with no completed designs to his name, this architect spent his life working on a single course, Pine Valley. He freely consulted all of the leading architects of the world during Pine Valley’s construction, but did not live to see the course completed, as the 12th-15th holes were incomplete at the time of his death.
- This Scot was a two-time Open Champion (1887 & 1889), and designed over 170 courses in the British Isles, Europe, the US, and Canada. His notable designs include Sunningdale Old, Maidstone, and the North Course at Olympia Fields. Along with Donald Ross, he was considered one of the first to make golf course design a full-time profession.
- The works of this prolific duo were concentrated in the Midwest United States during the Golden Age era, and while they have largely been obscured over time, their work is currently experiencing a resurgence. Their notable designs at The Links at Lawsonia, Skokie Country Club, and Wakonda are some of the boldest you will see, so it’s no surprise the duo was heavily influenced by the designer in #10 and Charles Banks.
- Famously partnered in a firm with the designer in #4, along with John Morrison and Alistair MacKenzie. While often considered a sidekick to some of his more famous partners, he made a brief but impactful tour of Japan in 1930 that led to the creation of Hirono Golf Club, among others, and is considered to have had the greatest influence on golf architecture in Japan.
- A former apprentice for Tom Doak, this modern designer had a fairly small, but impactful portfolio of courses in Michigan, including Kingsley Club and Greywalls, until the 2013 completion of his Cape Wickham course in Australia, which has landed in the Top 25 of multiple World Top 100 lists.
- One of the few influential architects to not have been a golfer himself, he was a freelance land surveyor and civil engineer living in Long Island when he was hired to work for a man by the name of MacDonald. The result of their collaboration was the National Golf Links of America, and the beginning of a golf design career that produced over 100 courses. While his mentor was responsible for the “template hole” design philosophy, this designer’s name may be even more closely associated with the template hole than any other designer.
- One of the more overshadowed architects of the Golden Age era, his design peak unfortunately coincided with the Great Depression, severely limiting his design portfolio. Known for his bold green contouring, he collaborated with MacKenzie on Crystal Downs Country Club, while his individual accomplishments include Southern Hills, Prairie Dunes, and the Old Town Club. His name is rarely associated with perhaps his most famous gig, however, which was a 1937 Augusta National renovation that resulted in the 10th green being moved back to its current location.
- You will find a lot of debate over the quality of this designer’s work, but with over 300 courses to his name, it is hard to deny his influence. The son of a Pennsylvania greenskeeper, he is much more well-known for his professional golf career, and helped pioneer the modern era of former players-turned-designers. A sad contribution to the golf design industry, which has fortunately faded away, was the introduction of “Signature” designs.
- Born in Toronto and growing up as a caddie at Toronto Golf Club, this designer partnered with Robert Trent Jones for much of the 1930’s. His individual work throughout Canada made him the country’s most influential designer, with courses such as Banff Springs and Jasper Park to his name. The artistic flair of his high-lipped and sand-flashed bunkers are one of his calling cards.
- Another member of the Philadelphia School of Design, this architect was close friends with other influential architects Hugh Wilson, A.W. Tillinghast, and the designer in #2, and was another famous contributor to Pine Valley. This is all easy to forget, though, as he is much more famous for his triumvirate of classic partnerships with William P. Bell in Los Angeles: Riviera, Bel-Air, and Los Angeles Country Clubs.
Feel pretty good about these without looking but have 0% confidence in #7 1. Pete Dye 2. William Flynn 3. Rhebb/Johns 4. Harry Colt 5. George Crump 6. Willie Park, Jr. 7. Thomas Bendalow(?) and (?) 8. C.H. Alison 9. Mike DeVries (?) 10. Seth Raynor 11. Perry Maxwell 12. Stanley Thompson 13. Arnold Palmer 14. George Thomas
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Post by jacobkessler on May 23, 2018 13:39:31 GMT -5
1. Pete Dye 2. Dick Wilson? 3. Wasn’t it Riley Jones or something like that? 4. Harry Colt 5. G.A. Crump 6. Willie Park Jr. (only know that from the years he won the Open) 7. Honestly.... no clue 8. Jacob Kessler.... oh, just read Japan. Charles Alison 9. No clue... 10. Seth Raynor? 11. Perry Maxwell 12. Arnold Palmer.... he designed potentially my favorite course I’ve played in Tartan Fields (used to host an LPGA event in Dublin, OH) 13. Yes I had to mention an Ohio course lol 13 for real. Stanley Thompson 14. George Thomas
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Post by PithyDoctorG on May 23, 2018 14:23:35 GMT -5
Not sure I can get all of those, but here goes. 1. Dye 2. Flynn 3. Blanking on the name. He was on a recent Fried Egg episode I think. 4. Colt 5. Crump 6. Park 7. Langford and Moreau 8. Alison 9. DeVries 10. Raynor 11. Maxwell 12. Arnold Palmer (not sure, but a famous player-architect from PA) 13. Thompson 14. Thomas (quit designing golf courses to focus on cultivating roses) Here you go PithyDoctorG ! I enjoyed this too much. I apologize in advance to mrvinegar206 , because I am actually hijacking your thread for Round 2. - Perhaps the most influential architect on the modern design industry, the list of architects who have worked in some form under this pioneer includes Tom Doak, Bill Coore, Tim Liddy, Jim Urbina, and Rod Whitman.
- A member of the Philadelphia School of Design and a contributor to the design at Merion, this architect’s crown jewel will be on display in June, his 1930’s re-design of Shinnecock Hills.
- What do you get when a former Lido competition winner with design work under the likes of Tom Doak and Coore and Crenshaw pairs up with one of Coore and Crenshaw’s most experienced shapers? A new standard in municipal golf, the Winter Park 9.
- A lawyer and former club secretary for Sunningdale Golf Club, his list of original designs include Royal Portrush and Swinley Forest, and in the US, Burning Tree and Old Elm, while his renovation work and contributions include the likes of Royal Lytham & St. Annes, Royal St. George’s, Royal Liverpool, Muirfield, and Pine Valley. It’s no wonder, then, that he was named the greatest architect of all time by LINKS Magazine.
- The only member of this list with no completed designs to his name, this architect spent his life working on a single course, Pine Valley. He freely consulted all of the leading architects of the world during Pine Valley’s construction, but did not live to see the course completed, as the 12th-15th holes were incomplete at the time of his death.
- This Scot was a two-time Open Champion (1887 & 1889), and designed over 170 courses in the British Isles, Europe, the US, and Canada. His notable designs include Sunningdale Old, Maidstone, and the North Course at Olympia Fields. Along with Donald Ross, he was considered one of the first to make golf course design a full-time profession.
- The works of this prolific duo were concentrated in the Midwest United States during the Golden Age era, and while they have largely been obscured over time, their work is currently experiencing a resurgence. Their notable designs at The Links at Lawsonia, Skokie Country Club, and Wakonda are some of the boldest you will see, so it’s no surprise the duo was heavily influenced by the designer in #10 and Charles Banks.
- Famously partnered in a firm with the designer in #4, along with John Morrison and Alistair MacKenzie. While often considered a sidekick to some of his more famous partners, he made a brief but impactful tour of Japan in 1930 that led to the creation of Hirono Golf Club, among others, and is considered to have had the greatest influence on golf architecture in Japan.
- A former apprentice for Tom Doak, this modern designer had a fairly small, but impactful portfolio of courses in Michigan, including Kingsley Club and Greywalls, until the 2013 completion of his Cape Wickham course in Australia, which has landed in the Top 25 of multiple World Top 100 lists.
- One of the few influential architects to not have been a golfer himself, he was a freelance land surveyor and civil engineer living in Long Island when he was hired to work for a man by the name of MacDonald. The result of their collaboration was the National Golf Links of America, and the beginning of a golf design career that produced over 100 courses. While his mentor was responsible for the “template hole” design philosophy, this designer’s name may be even more closely associated with the template hole than any other designer.
- One of the more overshadowed architects of the Golden Age era, his design peak unfortunately coincided with the Great Depression, severely limiting his design portfolio. Known for his bold green contouring, he collaborated with MacKenzie on Crystal Downs Country Club, while his individual accomplishments include Southern Hills, Prairie Dunes, and the Old Town Club. His name is rarely associated with perhaps his most famous gig, however, which was a 1937 Augusta National renovation that resulted in the 10th green being moved back to its current location.
- You will find a lot of debate over the quality of this designer’s work, but with over 300 courses to his name, it is hard to deny his influence. The son of a Pennsylvania greenskeeper, he is much more well-known for his professional golf career, and helped pioneer the modern era of former players-turned-designers. A sad contribution to the golf design industry, which has fortunately faded away, was the introduction of “Signature” designs.
- Born in Toronto and growing up as a caddie at Toronto Golf Club, this designer partnered with Robert Trent Jones for much of the 1930’s. His individual work throughout Canada made him the country’s most influential designer, with courses such as Banff Springs and Jasper Park to his name. The artistic flair of his high-lipped and sand-flashed bunkers are one of his calling cards.
- Another member of the Philadelphia School of Design, this architect was close friends with other influential architects Hugh Wilson, A.W. Tillinghast, and the designer in #2, and was another famous contributor to Pine Valley. This is all easy to forget, though, as he is much more famous for his triumvirate of classic partnerships with William P. Bell in Los Angeles: Riviera, Bel-Air, and Los Angeles Country Clubs.
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Post by theclv24 on May 23, 2018 14:52:30 GMT -5
Well done folks! (I assume anyone scrolling down to this post has already seen the answers, so not worried about spoiling things for anyone who still wants to take guesses). Everyone got about 95% right, and collectively got all of them. Kudos to PithyDoctorG on Langford and Moreau. Either I hear about them more often than most being in Chicago, or I've done a poor job of interpreting the L&M hype of the Fried Egg and Jason Way to be something that exists nationwide. Anyways, I am really hoping to get up to Lawsonia this year, as I've been up to Green Lake before and the drive from Chicago isn't THAT bad. And I didn't think about it, but jacobkessler could technically be right about Dick Wilson at #2. He was apparently a water boy or something like that during the Merion construction, was a Philly School designer, and oversaw the construction of the Shinnecock renovation by Flynn and Toomey. I've never heard of Shinnecock post-1931 being considered anything other than a Flynn design, though.
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Post by PithyDoctorG on May 23, 2018 15:04:35 GMT -5
You all realize that you're combining my two obsessions: golf course architecture and trivia. My turn to throw out a few: 1. After losing to Ben Hogan in a playoff in the 1950 U.S. Open, this man designed numerous courses with his nephew (now a famous architect on his own), including Jupiter Hills and Butler National. The duo also made changes to a number of U.S. Open venues such as Oak Hill and Inverness (both clubs have recently thought better of those changes and are being restored). 2. Though not as famous as his other Golden Age cohorts, this Englishman designed a number of excellent layouts, including Canterbury in Ohio (where Jack Nicklaus won one of his 5 PGA Championships), Saucon Valley in Pennsylvania, and Engineers on Long Island (which has tragically just recently been sold off to developers). 3. Though Alister Mackenzie only visited Australia for a short time, his designs at Royal Melbourne, Kingston Heath, and Yarra Yarra are celebrated classics because of the aptitude of this Australian, who acted as Mackenzie's design associate in Australia (much like Perry Maxwell in the midwestern US and Robert Hunter in California). 4. This Australian immigrant who took up the game late in life went on to become one of the greatest amateur golfers of all time. He was also responsible for classic designs at Hollywood Golf Club in New Jersey, Garden City on Long Island (significantly re-working a Devereux Emmet design), and Ekwanok in Vermont. 5. While perhaps not technically a golf course architect, Alister Mackenzie credits this woman with the idea for the 16th hole at Cypress Point. She was also the founder of another Mackenzie classic, Pasatiempo. 6. This modern designer is best known for his restorations/renovations of classic courses, including Colonial, Southern Hills, Baltimore CC, and Philadelphia Cricket Club among many others. 7. This man was an English teacher at the Hotchkiss School when one of the architects from Craig's questions came to design the school's golf course. He became so engrossed with the design process that he quit his job as a teacher to work with the architect full time! When his famous boss died, he went on to complete a number of his projects, in addition to several famous solo efforts. He has a great TGC2 course named after him (designed by pitt1976).
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Post by theclv24 on May 23, 2018 15:40:43 GMT -5
You all realize that you're combining my two obsessions: golf course architecture and trivia. My turn to throw out a few: 1. After losing to Ben Hogan in a playoff in the 1950 U.S. Open, this man designed numerous courses with his nephew (now a famous architect on his own), including Jupiter Hills and Butler National. The duo also made changes to a number of U.S. Open venues such as Oak Hill and Inverness (both clubs have recently thought better of those changes and are being restored). 2. Though not as famous as his other Golden Age cohorts, this Englishman designed a number of excellent layouts, including Canterbury in Ohio (where Jack Nicklaus won one of his 5 PGA Championships), Saucon Valley in Pennsylvania, and Engineers on Long Island (which has tragically just recently been sold off to developers). 3. Though Alister Mackenzie only visited Australia for a short time, his designs at Royal Melbourne, Kingston Heath, and Yarra Yarra are celebrated classics because of the aptitude of this Australian, who acted as Mackenzie's design associate in Australia (much like Perry Maxwell in the midwestern US and Robert Hunter in California). 4. This Australian immigrant who took up the game late in life went on to become one of the greatest amateur golfers of all time. He was also responsible for classic designs at Hollywood Golf Club in New Jersey, Garden City on Long Island (significantly re-working a Devereux Emmet design), and Ekwanok in Vermont. 5. While perhaps not technically a golf course architect, Alister Mackenzie credits this woman with the idea for the 16th hole at Cypress Point. She was also the founder of another Mackenzie classic, Pasatiempo. 6. This modern designer is best known for his restorations/renovations of classic courses, including Colonial, Southern Hills, Baltimore CC, and Philadelphia Cricket Club among many others. 7. This man was an English teacher at the Hotchkiss School when one of the architects from Craig's questions came to design the school's golf course. He became so engrossed with the design process that he quit his job as a teacher to work with the architect full time! When his famous boss died, he went on to complete a number of his projects, in addition to several famous solo efforts. He has a great TGC2 course named after him (designed by pitt1976 ). Some of these feel like they are on the tip of my tongue, or I've seen the info but the name didn't stick, so I will probably get them all wrong. 1. I was under the impression that Butler was a Fazio. The re-considered renovations also sound very Fazio-like. 2. Saucon sounds familiar, and I thought Engineers was a Banks, but that seems like a later answer. I can't even think of a name here. 3. No clue. I just listened to Ogilvy on the Fried Egg and he probably threw the name out, but I wouldn't know it if I heard it. 4. That list of courses looks familiar. Walter Travis? 5. I know I just read about this, but the name didn't stick with me. Where did I read that, The Golfer's Journal? 6. I confuse Keith Foster and Jim Urbina a lot, but I feel like Foster has been the one killing it with restorations. I just read about the Philly Cricket renovation a few weeks back too. My memory is horrible. I am sticking with Foster. 7. This seems like it's Banks.
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Post by PithyDoctorG on May 23, 2018 17:15:14 GMT -5
1. I was under the impression that Butler was a Fazio. The re-considered renovations also sound very Fazio-like. Indeed, Tom Fazio is the nephew.2. Saucon sounds familiar, and I thought Engineers was a Banks, but that seems like a later answer. I can't even think of a name here. To the best of my knowledge, Engineers is not a Banks, though I believe Emmett did some work on it in addition to the architect in question.
3. No clue. I just listened to Ogilvy on the Fried Egg and he probably threw the name out, but I wouldn't know it if I heard it. 4. That list of courses looks familiar. Walter Travis? Corrrect!
5. I know I just read about this, but the name didn't stick with me. Where did I read that, The Golfer's Journal? 6. I confuse Keith Foster and Jim Urbina a lot, but I feel like Foster has been the one killing it with restorations. I just read about the Philly Cricket renovation a few weeks back too. My memory is horrible. I am sticking with Foster. Yep! It's Foster. Urbina worked on Pasatiempo and Valley Club of Montecito, if memory serves.
7. This seems like it's Banks. Banks it is! I'll see if anyone bites on the others before revealing answers.
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Post by mrvinegar206 on May 23, 2018 21:59:50 GMT -5
Correct answers:
1. Tillie
2. RTJ
3. MacDonald
4. Coore and Crenshaw
5. Alice Dye
6. Hanse
7. Mackenzie
8. Nicklaus
9. Ross
10. Doak
11. Old Tom Morris
12. Strantz
13. Norman
14. Kidd
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Post by PithyDoctorG on May 25, 2018 12:24:42 GMT -5
Not that anyone probably cares about my hyper-obscure architecture references, but here are the answers: 1. George Fazio 2. Herbert Strong 3. Alex Russell 4. Walter Travis 5. Marion Hollins 6. Keith Foster 7. Charles Banks You all realize that you're combining my two obsessions: golf course architecture and trivia. My turn to throw out a few: 1. After losing to Ben Hogan in a playoff in the 1950 U.S. Open, this man designed numerous courses with his nephew (now a famous architect on his own), including Jupiter Hills and Butler National. The duo also made changes to a number of U.S. Open venues such as Oak Hill and Inverness (both clubs have recently thought better of those changes and are being restored). 2. Though not as famous as his other Golden Age cohorts, this Englishman designed a number of excellent layouts, including Canterbury in Ohio (where Jack Nicklaus won one of his 5 PGA Championships), Saucon Valley in Pennsylvania, and Engineers on Long Island (which has tragically just recently been sold off to developers). 3. Though Alister Mackenzie only visited Australia for a short time, his designs at Royal Melbourne, Kingston Heath, and Yarra Yarra are celebrated classics because of the aptitude of this Australian, who acted as Mackenzie's design associate in Australia (much like Perry Maxwell in the midwestern US and Robert Hunter in California). 4. This Australian immigrant who took up the game late in life went on to become one of the greatest amateur golfers of all time. He was also responsible for classic designs at Hollywood Golf Club in New Jersey, Garden City on Long Island (significantly re-working a Devereux Emmet design), and Ekwanok in Vermont. 5. While perhaps not technically a golf course architect, Alister Mackenzie credits this woman with the idea for the 16th hole at Cypress Point. She was also the founder of another Mackenzie classic, Pasatiempo. 6. This modern designer is best known for his restorations/renovations of classic courses, including Colonial, Southern Hills, Baltimore CC, and Philadelphia Cricket Club among many others. 7. This man was an English teacher at the Hotchkiss School when one of the architects from Craig's questions came to design the school's golf course. He became so engrossed with the design process that he quit his job as a teacher to work with the architect full time! When his famous boss died, he went on to complete a number of his projects, in addition to several famous solo efforts. He has a great TGC2 course named after him (designed by pitt1976 ).
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Post by mav78 on May 30, 2018 15:45:10 GMT -5
only number 13 I couldn't get without looking
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