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Post by staypuft39 on May 9, 2018 11:23:01 GMT -5
Just wading in here to say that I am one of many that think the "unwritten rule" of having only one cut around a bunker is just not correct.
The problem, is that most of the people that create courses with funky cuts around the bunker have no clue how to do it and it looks ugly.
That started the trend of course critiques calling the practice "wrong". But just because Taste or whoever was critiquing back then says something is "wrong" doesn't mean it's so...it's just been repeated so many times now that it MUST be true.
Fact is, some good designers have dabbled in mixed rough around bunkers (I wanna say Rod Simpson did a course like this) and it CAN look good.
So if you have a look that you think is awesome and realistic, but it's not conventionally "correct", I say go for it.
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Post by jivesinator on May 9, 2018 11:49:46 GMT -5
Just wading in here to say that I am one of many that think the "unwritten rule" of having only one cut around a bunker is just not correct. The problem, is that most of the people that create courses with funky cuts around the bunker have no clue how to do it and it looks ugly. That started the trend of course critiques calling the practice "wrong". But just because Taste or whoever was critiquing back then says something is "wrong" doesn't mean it's so...it's just been repeated so many times now that it MUST be true. Fact is, some good designers have dabbled in mixed rough around bunkers (I wanna say Rod Simpson did a course like this) and it CAN look good. So if you have a look that you think is awesome and realistic, but it's not conventionally "correct", I say go for it. This. The two rules I always follow are 1. Place a regular number of holes (9 or 18) and 2. There are never rules aside from rule 1, only guidelines. |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2018 12:54:39 GMT -5
Just wading in here to say that I am one of many that think the "unwritten rule" of having only one cut around a bunker is just not correct. The problem, is that most of the people that create courses with funky cuts around the bunker have no clue how to do it and it looks ugly.That started the trend of course critiques calling the practice "wrong". But just because Taste or whoever was critiquing back then says something is "wrong" doesn't mean it's so...it's just been repeated so many times now that it MUST be true. Fact is, some good designers have dabbled in mixed rough around bunkers (I wanna say Rod Simpson did a course like this) and it CAN look good. So if you have a look that you think is awesome and realistic, but it's not conventionally "correct", I say go for it.I've bolded a couple things in Matt's post here, because I want to make it clear that I agree with these sentiments, and that the "rules" for the approval committee and even the interpretation I've set forth for this contest are based on the need to keep a consistency measure in place to aide with producing quality courses for TGC. With that said, it is also true that there can be designers in this game that pull it off perfectly fine without following this rule. The way we will judge this for the contest will be more toward "the spirit of the rule," which is to say we are simply trying to promote consistency and quality. IF somebody decides to do something like the left side of my picture, whether what I've done at the bunker, or how the fairway comes into the green, it will not immediately be given a bad score, because we will first check to make sure that is a consistent look carried through the whole course. If, however, we find things like that mixed in with other transition styles, then we would follow the TGC approval rules more strictly. Does that sound fair? |
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Post by mayday_golf83 on May 9, 2018 13:03:01 GMT -5
Just wading in here to say that I am one of many that think the "unwritten rule" of having only one cut around a bunker is just not correct. The problem, is that most of the people that create courses with funky cuts around the bunker have no clue how to do it and it looks ugly.That started the trend of course critiques calling the practice "wrong". But just because Taste or whoever was critiquing back then says something is "wrong" doesn't mean it's so...it's just been repeated so many times now that it MUST be true. Fact is, some good designers have dabbled in mixed rough around bunkers (I wanna say Rod Simpson did a course like this) and it CAN look good. So if you have a look that you think is awesome and realistic, but it's not conventionally "correct", I say go for it.I've bolded a couple things in Matt's post here, because I want to make it clear that I agree with these sentiments, and that the "rules" for the approval committee and even the interpretation I've set forth for this contest are based on the need to keep a consistency measure in place to aide with producing quality courses for TGC. With that said, it is also true that there can be designers in this game that pull it off perfectly fine without following this rule. The way we will judge this for the contest will be more toward "the spirit of the rule," which is to say we are simply trying to promote consistency and quality. IF somebody decides to do something like the left side of my picture, whether what I've done at the bunker, or how the fairway comes into the green, it will not immediately be given a bad score, because we will first check to make sure that is a consistent look carried through the whole course. If, however, we find things like that mixed in with other transition styles, then we would follow the TGC approval rules more strictly. Does that sound fair? I think the key to this, if you don’t surround your bunkers entirely in 1 texture, is to blend the transition lines so the curves are natural and make sense. That’s A LOT easier said than done and it’s very challenging to pull off a clean look that way. Can be done if you’re really skilled in the designer, but not easy. Therein lies the spirit of the rule. Go ahead and try it if you want, but if it looks janky, prepare to be docked for it. That’s my $.02 at least. |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2018 13:18:24 GMT -5
^^ Yup ^^
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Post by CiB0RG on May 9, 2018 17:30:01 GMT -5
In the event that someone does make different cuts around a bunker I don't think they should have to repeat that exact look for all bunkers to be considered "consistent". It would be unrealistic that way. I would also advise not just doing it to 1 bunker. Use that look tastefully on certain holes where it makes sense. If you only do it to 1 or 2 bunkers then it seems like an anomaly and you don't want that.
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Post by pablo on May 13, 2018 7:20:47 GMT -5
Well, then I won't fix this type of bunkers (fine tuning needed)  |
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