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Post by marino313131 on Oct 16, 2017 10:02:13 GMT -5
One thing is constant no matter how much time I avoid these forums...the people that are always complaining remain the same. Thousands of posts but I'm the A-hole. LOL
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Post by moneyman273 on Oct 16, 2017 10:02:34 GMT -5
So here goes. New guy here on TGCTours. I use player clubs. The way I see it, if someone dominates me using tour clubs, they deserve to beat my score, win, etc. Means that they put a boatload of time into perfecting the use of those clubs. I in turn have spent a lot of time become fairly competent using player clubs. Eventually, I'd like to move up to tour clubs. If I beat others using tour clubs, there shouldn't be any need for my choice of clubs and my game to be trashed. Those who use player clubs shouldn't be labeled as disrespecting the game or going the easy way out or whatever. This is a game. What we've signed up for here at TGCTours is nothing short of amazing, given the fact that players aren't required to pay one red cent. I'm thrilled to be on what seems like the best level of players on the CC field. (Currently CC-A, so I assume that B,C,D etc are all players that didn't fare as well in Q-School) I'm still finding my way but just want to have a great time with a bunch of fellow video golf fans. I've read the viewpoints of those who believe that the game has been nerfed to an extent to allow players of all abilities to play on the professional tours. What do I think? Prove yourself with tour clubs and you'll have nothing to worry about regarding those who use player or standard clubs. I welcome anyone that wishes to respond to me but I'll just ignore those who can't communicate like normal human beings.
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Post by colly45 on Oct 16, 2017 10:46:41 GMT -5
I'm in CC-B...... the main reason I wanted to play here is majors.... my question is let's say I remain at cc-b.... will we have a tourny called the masters at Augusta in April? If not what do I have to do to qualify for a major.... all I wanna do is compete for a green jacket haha Play TST 👍 |
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Post by ErixonStone on Oct 16, 2017 11:25:40 GMT -5
But i want a level playing field as well. And we don't have that with more than one clubset in a tournament field. Tour clubs are harder to handle - a lot of "player club fans" (you as well!?) admit that. If that is right, the only conclusion is, that playing with tour clubs is more difficult and playing with player clubs is easier. You are attributing accuracy to the player clubs. This is a valid conclusion. Player clubs are easier to hit straight. What you fail to do is attribute the gains in distance + spin to the Tour clubs. Tour clubs allow you to carry hazards and reach areas of the fairway that are just not possible with Player clubs. Tour clubs allow you to reach par-5 greens in two, and par-4 greens in one that would be out of reach with Player clubs. The distance gained, depending on the course routing, could be as much as 50 yards. As it turns out, the advantages gained by the Tour clubs are pretty close to the advantages of the Player clubs. You're not at a competitive disadvantage using Tour clubs. Your process is different because you're taking on more risk, but the reward for that is that you can potentially shoot lower scores if you play well. Course design is a major factor as well. If you get a short, narrow course, Player clubs have a huge advantage. But get on a wide, bomber's course, and Tour clubs have that huge advantage. |
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Post by rhino4life on Oct 16, 2017 11:28:01 GMT -5
You'd better give him a Players chainsaw so he can swing it more accurately. Lmfao.... Heaven forbid you give this decision time to resolve itself or see the data that shows us something...or possibly nothing. Not everyone plays TGCT to be the best or to beat anyone other than the course. |
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Post by fadgewacker on Oct 16, 2017 11:28:34 GMT -5
So here goes. New guy here on TGCTours. I use player clubs. The way I see it, if someone dominates me using tour clubs, they deserve to beat my score, win, etc. Means that they put a boatload of time into perfecting the use of those clubs. I in turn have spent a lot of time become fairly competent using player clubs. Eventually, I'd like to move up to tour clubs. If I beat others using tour clubs, there shouldn't be any need for my choice of clubs and my game to be trashed. Those who use player clubs shouldn't be labeled as disrespecting the game or going the easy way out or whatever. This is a game. What we've signed up for here at TGCTours is nothing short of amazing, given the fact that players aren't required to pay one red cent. I'm thrilled to be on what seems like the best level of players on the CC field. (Currently CC-A, so I assume that B,C,D etc are all players that didn't fare as well in Q-School) I'm still finding my way but just want to have a great time with a bunch of fellow video golf fans. I've read the viewpoints of those who believe that the game has been nerfed to an extent to allow players of all abilities to play on the professional tours. What do I think? Prove yourself with tour clubs and you'll have nothing to worry about regarding those who use player or standard clubs. I welcome anyone that wishes to respond to me but I'll just ignore those who can't communicate like normal human beings. Hi and welcome. Same as you. New here and on CC-A. I play Tours because I know I’ll have to eventually if I get to where I want to be. I’m considerably better over 72 with player clubs That aside, the point being made here is that at the Pro levels of the game the playing field should be level. In terms of difficulty, it’s not when club sets are mixed. I don’t think the issue is any more than that. I’m missing the shouting down of player club guys for dumbing down the game. I’m not seeing that at all. See you on the course. |
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Post by mplskid612 on Oct 16, 2017 11:33:06 GMT -5
I'm in CC-B...... the main reason I wanted to play here is majors.... my question is let's say I remain at cc-b.... will we have a tourny called the masters at Augusta in April? If not what do I have to do to qualify for a major.... all I wanna do is compete for a green jacket haha Play TST 👍 do I have to change my settings when I play? Or by playing the tourny will all aids automatically be turned off? |
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Post by moneyman273 on Oct 16, 2017 11:39:08 GMT -5
So here goes. New guy here on TGCTours. I use player clubs. The way I see it, if someone dominates me using tour clubs, they deserve to beat my score, win, etc. Means that they put a boatload of time into perfecting the use of those clubs. I in turn have spent a lot of time become fairly competent using player clubs. Eventually, I'd like to move up to tour clubs. If I beat others using tour clubs, there shouldn't be any need for my choice of clubs and my game to be trashed. Those who use player clubs shouldn't be labeled as disrespecting the game or going the easy way out or whatever. This is a game. What we've signed up for here at TGCTours is nothing short of amazing, given the fact that players aren't required to pay one red cent. I'm thrilled to be on what seems like the best level of players on the CC field. (Currently CC-A, so I assume that B,C,D etc are all players that didn't fare as well in Q-School) I'm still finding my way but just want to have a great time with a bunch of fellow video golf fans. I've read the viewpoints of those who believe that the game has been nerfed to an extent to allow players of all abilities to play on the professional tours. What do I think? Prove yourself with tour clubs and you'll have nothing to worry about regarding those who use player or standard clubs. I welcome anyone that wishes to respond to me but I'll just ignore those who can't communicate like normal human beings. Hi and welcome. Same as you. New here and on CC-A. I play Tours because I know I’ll have to eventually if I get to where I want to be. I’m considerably better over 72 with player clubs That aside, the point being made here is that at the Pro levels of the game the playing field should be level. In terms of difficulty, it’s not when club sets are mixed. I don’t think the issue is any more than that. I’m missing the shouting down of player club guys for dumbing down the game. I’m not seeing that at all. See you on the course. Appreciate the hello! Maybe I'm the one misinterpreting here but it seems to me like those on the pro tours are complaining about the use of player clubs, which obviously don't play as long as tour clubs. Why should it concern tour club users if there are golfers using player clubs? I know that for my game, using player clubs, I'll have an amazing chance at beating someone using standard clubs, regardless of the tour we are playing in. I'm also very aware that I'm at a big disadvantage on CC-A (or any tour for that matter) with those who choose to use tour clubs. If they're good, they will beat me. End of story. Where I try to excel is course management and putting. It's kind of like me playing against the John Daly's of the video game world. I know I'm going to be outdriven, which means that I need my 2nd and (on par 5) 3rd shots to be on point. I don't agree with this whole concept of "level playing field" when clearly, the highest level, if played well, will beat a mid level player who is using mid level clubs. Oh and regarding the "tour versus player clubs" debate........you've just gotta read all of the previous pages. I have no issue with the debate at all. I just found it interesting. |
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Post by dh-nufc on Oct 16, 2017 11:39:09 GMT -5
I tell you what's funny.
The only tour where tour clubs will probably have an advantage (Possibly PGA too) is the World tour which just so happens to be the only tour the player clubs are not allowed anyway.
The further down you go, the more likely player clubs will be the most successful.
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Post by twobottletom on Oct 16, 2017 11:43:30 GMT -5
do I have to change my settings when I play? Or by playing the tourny will all aids automatically be turned off?
TST will automatically apply the correct settings for you.
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Post by Giraffe72 on Oct 16, 2017 12:18:38 GMT -5
You'd better give him a Players chainsaw so he can swing it more accurately. Lmfao.... Heaven forbid you give this decision time to resolve itself or see the data that shows us something...or possibly nothing. Not everyone plays TGCT to be the best or to beat anyone other than the course. To be fair I am giving it time, and have already stated I think this will end up being a non issue. The above was a joke, nothing more sinister, and I've only really responded to being labelled an elitist, which I am not. |
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Post by Elk22 on Oct 16, 2017 13:13:08 GMT -5
So here goes. New guy here on TGCTours. I use player clubs. The way I see it, if someone dominates me using tour clubs, they deserve to beat my score, win, etc. Means that they put a boatload of time into perfecting the use of those clubs. I in turn have spent a lot of time become fairly competent using player clubs. Eventually, I'd like to move up to tour clubs. If I beat others using tour clubs, there shouldn't be any need for my choice of clubs and my game to be trashed. Those who use player clubs shouldn't be labeled as disrespecting the game or going the easy way out or whatever. This is a game. What we've signed up for here at TGCTours is nothing short of amazing, given the fact that players aren't required to pay one red cent. I'm thrilled to be on what seems like the best level of players on the CC field. (Currently CC-A, so I assume that B,C,D etc are all players that didn't fare as well in Q-School) I'm still finding my way but just want to have a great time with a bunch of fellow video golf fans. I've read the viewpoints of those who believe that the game has been nerfed to an extent to allow players of all abilities to play on the professional tours. What do I think? Prove yourself with tour clubs and you'll have nothing to worry about regarding those who use player or standard clubs. I welcome anyone that wishes to respond to me but I'll just ignore those who can't communicate like normal human beings. To me, and just my opinion as an original member and barely top 150-200 WGR plyr. You are just kinda proving my point. You are CC A player clubs should be allowed all the way up to Web and stop, leaving EURO and both PGA'S for tour clubs only. To me my experience by the time you reach Web then all way to Euro if you wanna advance, by then you should be able to handle tour clubs. This coming from some1 who only plays about 6 rounds a week. Euro tour plyr. |
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Post by rhino4life on Oct 16, 2017 14:12:00 GMT -5
So here goes. New guy here on TGCTours. I use player clubs. The way I see it, if someone dominates me using tour clubs, they deserve to beat my score, win, etc. Means that they put a boatload of time into perfecting the use of those clubs. I in turn have spent a lot of time become fairly competent using player clubs. Eventually, I'd like to move up to tour clubs. If I beat others using tour clubs, there shouldn't be any need for my choice of clubs and my game to be trashed. Those who use player clubs shouldn't be labeled as disrespecting the game or going the easy way out or whatever. This is a game. What we've signed up for here at TGCTours is nothing short of amazing, given the fact that players aren't required to pay one red cent. I'm thrilled to be on what seems like the best level of players on the CC field. (Currently CC-A, so I assume that B,C,D etc are all players that didn't fare as well in Q-School) I'm still finding my way but just want to have a great time with a bunch of fellow video golf fans. I've read the viewpoints of those who believe that the game has been nerfed to an extent to allow players of all abilities to play on the professional tours. What do I think? Prove yourself with tour clubs and you'll have nothing to worry about regarding those who use player or standard clubs. I welcome anyone that wishes to respond to me but I'll just ignore those who can't communicate like normal human beings. To me, and just my opinion as an original member and barely top 150-200 WGR plyr. You are just kinda proving my point. You are CC A player clubs should be allowed all the way up to Web and stop, leaving EURO and both PGA'S for tour clubs only. To me my experience by the time you reach Web then all way to Euro if you wanna advance, by then you should be able to handle tour clubs. This coming from some1 who only plays about 6 rounds a week. Euro tour plyr. It was geared towards I am quitting tour guy...not you Jamie |
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Post by fadgewacker on Oct 16, 2017 14:36:28 GMT -5
Hi and welcome. Same as you. New here and on CC-A. I play Tours because I know I’ll have to eventually if I get to where I want to be. I’m considerably better over 72 with player clubs That aside, the point being made here is that at the Pro levels of the game the playing field should be level. In terms of difficulty, it’s not when club sets are mixed. I don’t think the issue is any more than that. I’m missing the shouting down of player club guys for dumbing down the game. I’m not seeing that at all. See you on the course. Appreciate the hello! Maybe I'm the one misinterpreting here but it seems to me like those on the pro tours are complaining about the use of player clubs, which obviously don't play as long as tour clubs. Why should it concern tour club users if there are golfers using player clubs? I know that for my game, using player clubs, I'll have an amazing chance at beating someone using standard clubs, regardless of the tour we are playing in. I'm also very aware that I'm at a big disadvantage on CC-A (or any tour for that matter) with those who choose to use tour clubs. If they're good, they will beat me. End of story. Where I try to excel is course management and putting. It's kind of like me playing against the John Daly's of the video game world. I know I'm going to be outdriven, which means that I need my 2nd and (on par 5) 3rd shots to be on point. I don't agree with this whole concept of "level playing field" when clearly, the highest level, if played well, will beat a mid level player who is using mid level clubs. Oh and regarding the "tour versus player clubs" debate........you've just gotta read all of the previous pages. I have no issue with the debate at all. I just found it interesting. There’s some debate, no doubt about that and people feel very passionate about it, no doubt too. You could go on forever with the points from both sides but after playing both sets extensively, IMO players are so much easier to a) stay out of trouble b) recover when you’re in trouble from either the sand or rough c) play with absolute precision and confidence in your swing from albeit slightly further out. The extra distance is a big benefit with tour clubs, if you can keep them straight and in tempo and some people say they spin more and I’m honestly not noticing anything different in that regard. The two main difficulties for me with them are anything but perfect perfect tempo and you’re short of your intended target and you’re literally a fine margin away from disaster with every shot. Personally I enjoy the added challenge of the tour clubs, and as that’s what I’m playing for, the challenge, I feel like it should be as challenging as possible on the pro tours. I’ve no beef with standard club players and I get regularly thumped by friends using them. Put Tours in our hands though and I’m on top more than not. I think the very best players in the world would all fare better with Tours, they’re that good, but drop back to WGR 100-500 or so and I think players will more than compete with Tours... interesting times ahead. I’m intrigued. The decision is likely to never effect me personally, but I’m intrigued all the same. |
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Post by SloanerTW on Oct 16, 2017 14:44:32 GMT -5
I can't beat me with player clubs if you can then all the power to ya.
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