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Post by waldini1985 on Oct 2, 2017 10:47:09 GMT -5
People enjoy playing games for different reasons, just remember that. absolutely of course they do. but I'm just pointing out the ppl who moan that tgc1 wasn't realistic enough now moan that tgc2 is too hard and the swing is not #consistant. |
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Post by steelereign on Oct 2, 2017 11:02:37 GMT -5
Who said I was hitting 100% of my shots straight? I still have shot variance and often club down from the driver for a safer option. I've never sniffed -56 and I've been playing this game since early release on TGC1. I am simply saying that army golf on a video game does not appeal to me. I played Tour clubs exclusively up until last week and I couldn't make any progress. They frustrate me and sorry, but I don't play video games to add stress to my life. I didn't mean you personally I meant anyone playing the game hitting -56 week after week hitting the ball straight 100% of the time is not realistic golf. tgc2 has made the game more realistic and harder to get stupid scores which to me makes the game more apealing as I can constantly improve my game. yes it frustrates me sometimes to the point where I want to smash my tv but isn't playing real golf just as frustrating? Yes and no. TGC2 is harder for most of us, yet there are still scores at -50+ winning each week. In the past, I might finish 10-15 strokes off the leaders, but now I'm struggling to break par with Tour clubs. I can be sufficiently challenged with Player clubs. Keep in mind though, I'm only talking about how the clubs fare in competition. I don't play this game for any other reason than to compete in TGC Tours and one society I'm a part of. If I played rounds "offline" and wanted to challenge myself in as real-to-life an environment as possible, then I'd play Tour clubs with no aids. But, I want to enjoy pretend video golf. If my goal was to get frustrated then I'd go out and hack around my local Muni. |
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Post by frank70 on Oct 2, 2017 11:40:34 GMT -5
I didn't mean you personally I meant anyone playing the game hitting -56 week after week hitting the ball straight 100% of the time is not realistic golf. tgc2 has made the game more realistic and harder to get stupid scores which to me makes the game more apealing as I can constantly improve my game. yes it frustrates me sometimes to the point where I want to smash my tv but isn't playing real golf just as frustrating? Yes and no. TGC2 is harder for most of us, yet there are still scores at -50+ winning each week. In the past, I might finish 10-15 strokes off the leaders, but now I'm struggling to break par with Tour clubs. I can be sufficiently challenged with Player clubs. Keep in mind though, I'm only talking about how the clubs fare in competition. I don't play this game for any other reason than to compete in TGC Tours and one society I'm a part of. If I played rounds "offline" and wanted to challenge myself in as real-to-life an environment as possible, then I'd play Tour clubs with no aids. But, I want to enjoy pretend video golf. If my goal was to get frustrated then I'd go out and hack around my local Muni. You find Tour clubs too hard - but still want to play in the same competition where others use tour clubs? For me all pro tours - web included - should use tour clubs. Amateur tours should be free club choice. I played a ghost yesterday. He played with player clubs. He was soooo straight and precise - player clubs are way easier than tour clubs for the average player. If we would play 7800 yard courses on a regular basis it would be a different story. But on normal setups: the clubs play so differently. I simply feel that the playing field isn't level when all clubs are allowed. For the top 50 guys tour clubs are an advantage - for the rest of the field it is a higher difficulty level - as you admitted in your post. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 11:41:33 GMT -5
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Post by steelereign on Oct 2, 2017 11:57:38 GMT -5
Yes and no. TGC2 is harder for most of us, yet there are still scores at -50+ winning each week. In the past, I might finish 10-15 strokes off the leaders, but now I'm struggling to break par with Tour clubs. I can be sufficiently challenged with Player clubs. Keep in mind though, I'm only talking about how the clubs fare in competition. I don't play this game for any other reason than to compete in TGC Tours and one society I'm a part of. If I played rounds "offline" and wanted to challenge myself in as real-to-life an environment as possible, then I'd play Tour clubs with no aids. But, I want to enjoy pretend video golf. If my goal was to get frustrated then I'd go out and hack around my local Muni. You find Tour clubs too hard - but still want to play in the same competition where others use tour clubs? For me all pro tours - web included - should use tour clubs. Amateur tours should be free club choice. I played a ghost yesterday. He played with player clubs. He was soooo straight and precise - player clubs are way easier than tour clubs for the average player. If we would play 7800 yard courses on a regular basis it would be a different story. But on normal setups: the clubs play so differently. I simply feel that the playing field isn't level when all clubs are allowed. For the top 50 guys tour clubs are an advantage - for the rest of the field it is a higher difficulty level - as you admitted in your post. They're too difficult for me, yes. I disagree with you a bit - I think club choice actually DOES even the playing field. Again, I was competitive on the PGA in TGC1 and was in the Top 125 in WGR at my peak. There was little chance of me winning a tournament on the PGA, but I was typically 10-20 shots off the leader. With Tour clubs, I haven't made a cut yet. I'm not suggesting that this is about me, but I know there are many in the same boat as I. I just think that the old TGC format with club choice would be more robust with a greater variety of results from week to week. Now, we are segregating the Tours by one's ability to master a specific movement on a joystick rather than their ability to manage the course. I guess this will balance out over time. I'm likely to end up wherever Player clubs are permitted and I'll be there until the end of time because I can't get consistent result with the Tour swing. And because I'm not using the Tour swing on Web or CC, I'll never figure it out. Again, I'm fine with that, but I believe club choice using the "old" TGC Tour structure would offer a more dynamic and robust experience for all involved. |
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Post by KenTremendous on Oct 2, 2017 13:01:26 GMT -5
Not going to get into this all over again.
All ill say is remember its not just longer clubs v shorter clubs...its game difficulty level.
For me all the top tours should be on the hardest difficulty level i.e. Tour clubs.
Thats all ive got to say, everything else has been repeated ad infinitum since the game came out.
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Post by ErixonStone on Oct 2, 2017 13:30:21 GMT -5
All ill say is remember its not just longer clubs v shorter clubs...its game difficulty level. For me all the top tours should be on the hardest difficulty level i.e. Tour clubs. Would you care to back up that statement with facts about scoring? It's harder to hit Tour clubs straight, sure, but the scores support the idea that the overall scoring is balanced. That even holds true for players as low as CC-D level. Want the game to be hard to score? Force standard clubs, and eliminate the advantage that elite players get by being better at keeping the swing straight or crooked in a consistent way. Then watch scores go up and the fields begin to get very tight. |
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Post by catcherman22 on Oct 2, 2017 14:26:52 GMT -5
All ill say is remember its not just longer clubs v shorter clubs...its game difficulty level. For me all the top tours should be on the hardest difficulty level i.e. Tour clubs. Would you care to back up that statement with facts about scoring? It's harder to hit Tour clubs straight, sure, but the scores support the idea that the overall scoring is balanced. That even holds true for players as low as CC-D level. Want the game to be hard to score? Force standard clubs, and eliminate the advantage that elite players get by being better at keeping the swing straight or crooked in a consistent way. Then watch scores go up and the fields begin to get very tight. Yay... Back to tgc1 we go! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 14:30:40 GMT -5
I know you are being sarcastic there Dan but to be honest this place didn't have as much negativity when we were using TGC1. Hate me, go on people. I know you want too. Oh look Dan is being negative, sure yes i am but most other people are too so don't bother picking me out and you know who you are  |
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Post by ABU_Bear on Oct 2, 2017 14:35:23 GMT -5
Humanity has fought change from first step. Why should a video golf game be an exception to that rule?
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Post by Dug Riddler on Oct 2, 2017 15:52:35 GMT -5
All ill say is remember its not just longer clubs v shorter clubs...its game difficulty level. For me all the top tours should be on the hardest difficulty level i.e. Tour clubs. Would you care to back up that statement with facts about scoring? It's harder to hit Tour clubs straight, sure, but the scores support the idea that the overall scoring is balanced. That even holds true for players as low as CC-D level. Want the game to be hard to score? Force standard clubs, and eliminate the advantage that elite players get by being better at keeping the swing straight or crooked in a consistent way. Then watch scores go up and the fields begin to get very tight. Once you learn how to hit tour clubs relatively straight, they are the easiest club set of the bunch. Scoring is so much easier with tour clubs. Right now, if I used Tour Clubs one round and Player Clubs on the exact same conditions the next round, I would guess that I would easily score 5-7 shots better with tour clubs; hell, give me 15mph winds with the tour clubs and no wind with player clubs and I will still outscore the players clubs by at least 5 shots... It's not a harder difficulty level at all. Maybe it's harder to learn, but that's it. The whole difficulty level thing is just anecdotal. There's no evidence of this; most of the actual evidence proves otherwise quite honestly. Dug |
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Post by yyzleafs on Oct 2, 2017 16:24:27 GMT -5
It should be
PGA tour
EuroTour
Web.com
Mini Tour
Challenge tours A-Z
The PGA tour should still be top dog.
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Post by steelereign on Oct 2, 2017 17:13:39 GMT -5
Would you care to back up that statement with facts about scoring? It's harder to hit Tour clubs straight, sure, but the scores support the idea that the overall scoring is balanced. That even holds true for players as low as CC-D level. Want the game to be hard to score? Force standard clubs, and eliminate the advantage that elite players get by being better at keeping the swing straight or crooked in a consistent way. Then watch scores go up and the fields begin to get very tight. Once you learn how to hit tour clubs relatively straight, they are the easiest club set of the bunch. Scoring is so much easier with tour clubs. Right now, if I used Tour Clubs one round and Player Clubs on the exact same conditions the next round, I would guess that I would easily score 5-7 shots better with tour clubs; hell, give me 15mph winds with the tour clubs and no wind with player clubs and I will still outscore the players clubs by at least 5 shots... It's not a harder difficulty level at all. Maybe it's harder to learn, but that's it. The whole difficulty level thing is just anecdotal. There's no evidence of this; most of the actual evidence proves otherwise quite honestly. Dug I must respectfully disagree. Hitting a fastball is hard to learn, hitting a 98mph fastball is damn near impossible for most people. The fact that a small percentage of humans can do it, and an even smaller percentage do it successfully, doesn't mean that it isn't difficult. With that said, if Tour clubs are easier then it only validates my position that all levels should be permitted to use whichever club set they desire. |
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Post by ErixonStone on Oct 3, 2017 0:52:21 GMT -5
If your only goal is to hit Ruthian home runs, it's easier to hit home runs against a 98 MPH fastball than it is against a slow-pitch softball.
A 98 MPH heater is harder to hit, of course, but if you happen to square one up, it will go a long way.
Elite players (and minor leaguers count here, as we are comparing them to the average person, not to major leaguers) can hit a 98 MPH fastball at least consistently enough, while regular Joes like me might be lucky enough to foul tip one.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 3:57:16 GMT -5
Easy to learn. Hard to master.
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