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Post by nevadaballin on Sept 14, 2017 20:56:03 GMT -5
There are presently 6.2 million unfilled jobs in the USA, the most ever in our history. Many of them are well-paying tech jobs. We're not talking about picking lima beans in 105 degree heat for $5 an hour.They aren't filled because we don't have the skilled labor to fill them. There's a huge gap of vocational education going on. So many jobs to fill and not enough talent to fill them. that includes robots  Spot on statistic and I think your argument may hold for some specialist sectors, but at a macro level I'm not sure it's about skills shortage. Headline figures like this can hide a lot of subtle detail. Here a couple of counter points; 1) The figure is based on adverts for openings - online or otherwise. Employers over-advertise their positions, so the figure is generally accepted as inflated. 2) The evidence that employers are trying very hard to fill these positions is very scant. If it were the case, then; a) Salaries would rise - but that's not happening. b) Poaching of employees from other companies would be commonplace - but "quit rates" are still below pre-recession levels. This is indicative of a weak Labour market, when workers feel they can quit because there are better opportunities, they do so. So what's going on? The hunt for the Purple Squirrel that's what!  www.businesscycle.com/ecri-news-events/news-details/economic-cycle-research-ecri-only-purple-squirrels-need-applyThere have also been a few scientific studies that also came to the same conclusion - the Labour market is still very tight, despite what the headline "Job Openings" figures say... journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0019793914564961journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0019793916660067It's definitely a skills shortage here. |
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Post by nevadaballin on Sept 14, 2017 21:03:52 GMT -5
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Post by joegolferg on Sept 15, 2017 1:50:39 GMT -5
Absolutely - the coming of robots and in particular AI will be the death knell for the current system - you can't have that many people without means. The only point of debate is whether it will be a bloody or bloodless revolution. Taxing robots definitely is not the answer, but luckily there is very good alternative: Universal living wage. Already being tried in Finland... www.theguardian.com/society/2017/feb/19/basic-income-finland-low-wages-fewer-jobsThere are presently 6.2 million unfilled jobs in the USA, the most ever in our history. Many of them are well-paying tech jobs. We're not talking about picking lima beans in 105 degree heat for $5 an hour.They aren't filled because we don't have the skilled labor to fill them. There's a huge gap of vocational education going on. So many jobs to fill and not enough talent to fill them. that includes robots We don't have a jobs problem here. We have a vocational problem and a wages problem. The rent for our apartment has gone up $300 per month over the last two years. I asked them why and they said "it's the market". I told her "the market" didn't raise my income by that much. She shrugged. Lol. 6.2 million openings is a big number, but what do we know about the actual jobs within that number? How many are skilled jobs? How many are non skilled jobs? And even with such a high number you still gave a shortfall of 1 million jobs as the current unemployment figure in the US is 7.1 million people. Education is vital to filling skilled jobs in any country, and with such prestigious universities in the US and UK, why do we find ourselves with a growing gap for skilled workers? Could the biggest reason for that shortage be yet another conflict within neo capitalism? Extortionate tuition fees absolutely stumps our population of educated citizens and potential professionals, people are losing confidence in studying because of the crippling debt they are left with after graduating, in the UK the average debt students are left with is £57,000. Disgusting. Is this really the start in life young professionals want? Why can't look at education as an investment rather than 'a waste of money' as I've heard it being referred to, mainly by middle aged men who some of them graduated 40 years ago without owing a penny back? Education should be free for all people of all ages, we benefit greatly from graduates who go on to work and run our most important services. Money well spent I say. |
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Post by nevadaballin on Sept 15, 2017 2:45:56 GMT -5
There are presently 6.2 million unfilled jobs in the USA, the most ever in our history. Many of them are well-paying tech jobs. We're not talking about picking lima beans in 105 degree heat for $5 an hour.They aren't filled because we don't have the skilled labor to fill them. There's a huge gap of vocational education going on. So many jobs to fill and not enough talent to fill them. that includes robots We don't have a jobs problem here. We have a vocational problem and a wages problem. The rent for our apartment has gone up $300 per month over the last two years. I asked them why and they said "it's the market". I told her "the market" didn't raise my income by that much. She shrugged. Lol. 6.2 million openings is a big number, but what do we know about the actual jobs within that number? How many are skilled jobs? How many are non skilled jobs? And even with such a high number you still gave a shortfall of 1 million jobs as the current unemployment figure in the US is 7.1 million people. Education is vital to filling skilled jobs in any country, and with such prestigious universities in the US and UK, why do we find ourselves with a growing gap for skilled workers? Could the biggest reason for that shortage be yet another conflict within neo capitalism? Extortionate tuition fees absolutely stumps our population of educated citizens and potential professionals, people are losing confidence in studying because of the crippling debt they are left with after graduating, in the UK the average debt students are left with is £57,000. Disgusting. Is this really the start in life young professionals want? Why can't look at education as an investment rather than 'a waste of money' as I've heard it being referred to, mainly by middle aged men who some of them graduated 40 years ago without owing a penny back? Education should be free for all people of all ages, we benefit greatly from graduates who go on to work and run our most important services. Money well spent I say. It is a big number. And our unemployment low. The reasons aren't very complicated. Obviously the jobs themselves are varied but just from what I know in my area, the issue is skilled workers. We have a Tesla battery factory and an Apple data farm here in Reno. They can't fill their their jobs because there aren't enough skilled workers. They have said as much to the local media. I promise you that if Emily the cocktail waitress or Reggie the blackjack dealer had the skills to do those jobs, they'd be there. The wages and benefits are better than what they have now. People with no job would absolutely be there. But ya need to be qualified. No need to get too deep with this one. |
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Post by joegolferg on Sept 15, 2017 2:58:20 GMT -5
6.2 million openings is a big number, but what do we know about the actual jobs within that number? How many are skilled jobs? How many are non skilled jobs? And even with such a high number you still gave a shortfall of 1 million jobs as the current unemployment figure in the US is 7.1 million people. Education is vital to filling skilled jobs in any country, and with such prestigious universities in the US and UK, why do we find ourselves with a growing gap for skilled workers? Could the biggest reason for that shortage be yet another conflict within neo capitalism? Extortionate tuition fees absolutely stumps our population of educated citizens and potential professionals, people are losing confidence in studying because of the crippling debt they are left with after graduating, in the UK the average debt students are left with is £57,000. Disgusting. Is this really the start in life young professionals want? Why can't look at education as an investment rather than 'a waste of money' as I've heard it being referred to, mainly by middle aged men who some of them graduated 40 years ago without owing a penny back? Education should be free for all people of all ages, we benefit greatly from graduates who go on to work and run our most important services. Money well spent I say. It is a big number. And our unemployment low. The reasons aren't very complicated. Obviously the jobs themselves are varied but just from what I know in my area, the issue is skilled workers. We have a Tesla battery factory and an Apple data farm here in Reno. They can't fill their their jobs because there aren't enough skilled workers. They have said as much to the local media. I promise you that if Emily the cocktail waitress or Reggie the blackjack dealer had the skills to do those jobs, they'd be there. The wages and benefits are better than what they have now. People with no job would absolutely be there. But ya need to be qualified. No need to get too deep with this one. Would you support free education to help grow the educated population? Or do you have any other alternatives? |
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Post by joegolferg on Sept 15, 2017 5:59:12 GMT -5
😂 #ImWithHer
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Post by paulus on Sept 15, 2017 6:12:21 GMT -5
Wow! Just wow  We all knew she was establishment, but that's quite crazy... |
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Post by paulus on Sept 15, 2017 6:21:00 GMT -5
It is a big number. And our unemployment low. The reasons aren't very complicated. Obviously the jobs themselves are varied but just from what I know in my area, the issue is skilled workers. We have a Tesla battery factory and an Apple data farm here in Reno. They can't fill their their jobs because there aren't enough skilled workers. They have said as much to the local media. I promise you that if Emily the cocktail waitress or Reggie the blackjack dealer had the skills to do those jobs, they'd be there. The wages and benefits are better than what they have now. People with no job would absolutely be there. But ya need to be qualified. No need to get too deep with this one. We have similar issue in my area of work too - but that's not indicative of all sectors as the studies show. The employers themselves need to do more - train these people rather than just expecting them to be there. And that's what we've ended up doing - picked a couple of smart young lads & we're training them up to do the stuff we need. The problem is they then go work for someone else after you put that investment in, which is why companies are reticent to do it. The only other alternative is to have better state funded education & training programmes - but then you need a more left leaning government to increase taxes to pay for it.... |
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Sept 15, 2017 6:26:06 GMT -5
The quote from the book and the headline simply don't match. All she said was that the whole Trump campaign was based on distorting fact, creating alternate reality, and played on mistrust between the people and the establishment - which it was.
Nowhere does she say "You should just automatically trust those in power"
Almost like the website in the link doesn't like her and wants to twist her words  |
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Post by joegolferg on Sept 15, 2017 6:37:08 GMT -5
The quote from the book and the headline simply don't match. All she said was that the whole Trump campaign was based on distorting fact, creating alternate reality, and played on mistrust between the people and the establishment - which it was.
Nowhere does she say "You should just automatically trust those in power"
Almost like the website in the link doesn't like her and wants to twist her words I knew before I read it it wouldn't be what it seems from the tweet. But I have no doubts about Clinton actually believing that everyone should blindly follow authority. |
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Post by HeMan1202 on Sept 15, 2017 7:36:07 GMT -5
It is a big number. And our unemployment low. The reasons aren't very complicated. Obviously the jobs themselves are varied but just from what I know in my area, the issue is skilled workers. We have a Tesla battery factory and an Apple data farm here in Reno. They can't fill their their jobs because there aren't enough skilled workers. They have said as much to the local media. I promise you that if Emily the cocktail waitress or Reggie the blackjack dealer had the skills to do those jobs, they'd be there. The wages and benefits are better than what they have now. People with no job would absolutely be there. But ya need to be qualified. No need to get too deep with this one. Would you support free education to help grow the educated population? Or do you have any other alternatives? And by free you mean the hard working population would get taxed to pay for the lazy uneducated population so they can get a skill to get a job. I know I am exaggerating (slightly) as there are hard working folks that need assistance.
It may be a bit harsh but peoples poor life choices does not justify free education or free anything. If they really wanted to Emily the waitress and Reggie the blackjack dealer would seek out further education for a better job. Lots of people do it. Affordability is not an excuse as there is tons of financial aid and assistance available to everyone.
I work hard to provide for my family, not everyone else's.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2017 8:03:47 GMT -5
Don't those uneducated people then become contributing tax payers who more than pay back the cost of getting them off the public teat of unemployment or underemployment? You have to fix the problem, not scowl at it.
Publicly funded, government regulated health care costs less than privatised health care. It's a safety net that caters for the truly unwell very well and makes the less urgent wait unless they have private health insurance. It works like a charm here in Australia, it would work for the cost of less than 1% of the US' military spending per year based on reports I've read from reputable sources.
Seriously, gun control next, I love that one...
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Post by joegolferg on Sept 15, 2017 8:03:56 GMT -5
Would you support free education to help grow the educated population? Or do you have any other alternatives? And by free you mean the hard working population would get taxed to pay for the lazy uneducated population so they can get a skill to get a job. I know I am exaggerating (slightly) as there are hard working folks that need assistance.
It may be a bit harsh but peoples poor life choices does not justify free education or free anything. If they really wanted to Emily the waitress and Reggie the blackjack dealer would seek out further education for a better job. Lots of people do it. Affordability is not an excuse as there is tons of financial aid and assistance available to everyone.
I work hard to provide for my family, not everyone else's.
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Post by HeMan1202 on Sept 15, 2017 8:21:46 GMT -5
And by free you mean the hard working population would get taxed to pay for the lazy uneducated population so they can get a skill to get a job. I know I am exaggerating (slightly) as there are hard working folks that need assistance.
It may be a bit harsh but peoples poor life choices does not justify free education or free anything. If they really wanted to Emily the waitress and Reggie the blackjack dealer would seek out further education for a better job. Lots of people do it. Affordability is not an excuse as there is tons of financial aid and assistance available to everyone.
I work hard to provide for my family, not everyone else's.
What sort of financial aid? There are many ways to get financial aid for education. Scholarships or federal grants are given to those who qualify (generally by income level).
In the end they can do like most everyone else who gets an education (without parental assistance) and take out student loans.
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Post by joegolferg on Sept 15, 2017 9:12:49 GMT -5
What sort of financial aid? There are many ways to get financial aid for education. Scholarships or federal grants are given to those who qualify (generally by income level).
In the end they can do like most everyone else who gets an education (without parental assistance) and take out student loans.
Exactly, a loan is not really aid, in my opinion it is preying on students that have no way of supporting themselves adequately during their studies. And God forbid if you ever need to be treated by one of these lazy, freeloader graduates in your local hospital! |
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