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[gordovanheisenberg]

I am not "official" but from my understanding course approval is decided by existing memebers who voulenteer?

[ErixonStone]

Aug 11, 2017 9:53:05 GMT -5 gordovanheisenberg said:

I am not "official" but from my understanding course approval is decided by existing memebers who voulenteer?

There are few (half a dozen, maybe) members who have the ability to approve courses in the database.

The "review" option in the course submission page is for the general public to post their own reviews - something that is rarely done. Most people who play courses, provide feedback in the course forums thread in the New Courses sub-forum.

[gordovanheisenberg]

Aug 11, 2017 10:28:29 GMT -5 ErixonStone said:

Aug 11, 2017 9:53:05 GMT -5 gordovanheisenberg said:

I am not "official" but from my understanding course approval is decided by existing memebers who voulenteer?

There are few (half a dozen, maybe) members who have the ability to approve courses in the database.

The "review" option in the course submission page is for the general public to post their own reviews - something that is rarely done. Most people who play courses, provide feedback in the course forums thread in the New Courses sub-forum.

So in answer to my question I was being an idiot hahaha. Thanks. Just leaving a comment or two was what I was looking to do. I don't want to have the responsibility of deciding what gets in and what doesn't 😬

[Deleted]

I just submitted Devon Quarry Country Club (Tour) for review because it is different enough from the original that it probably needs its own entry.

One of the most challenging aspects of the publishing of a course in TGC is that it doesn't allow a user to publish over their own course (and I understand the reasons why). But that's what leads to these multiple version annoyances and extra work for the reviewers.

In my case, DQCC is approved, but after several hundred plays in TGC2 there was feedback that I needed to address in order to make this a course capable of hosting a TGCT event. So several fairways and greens were redesigned, one hole was completely redesigned, and problematic OB was removed. But due to those significant changes, I feel it should be submitted again and added as an entry in my designer profile. Plus, it likely will host a Web event this year, so it'll need its own course listing.

[mrooola]

Aug 13, 2017 14:32:46 GMT -5 VctryLnSprts said:

I just submitted Devon Quarry Country Club (Tour) for review because it is different enough from the original that it probably needs its own entry.

One of the most challenging aspects of the publishing of a course in TGC is that it doesn't allow a user to publish over their own course (and I understand the reasons why). But that's what leads to these multiple version annoyances and extra work for the reviewers.

In my case, DQCC is approved, but after several hundred plays in TGC2 there was feedback that I needed to address in order to make this a course capable of hosting a TGCT event. So several fairways and greens were redesigned, one hole was completely redesigned, and problematic OB was removed. But due to those significant changes, I feel it should be submitted again and added as an entry in my designer profile. Plus, it likely will host a Web event this year, so it'll need its own course listing.

I don't decide anything in this matter, but I see 0 reasons for resubmitting the course. It only adds to the workload of the reviewers. It's like everyone who resubmitts their tgc1 ports. Just stop it. There is an option on your designer page to port courses.

[Deleted]

But it's not a port, that's why I added the explanation. When this course gets used on Tour it will not have a listing.

The last thing I'm trying to do is add unnecessary work to the TGCT team. The purpose of my post is to think through the rationale.

[mrooola]

Aug 13, 2017 16:00:53 GMT -5 VctryLnSprts said:

But it's not a port, that's why I added the explanation. When this course gets used on Tour it will not have a listing.

The last thing I'm trying to do is add unnecessary work to the TGCT team. The purpose of my post is to think through the rationale.

I never said it was a port. Unless you changed par I still see 0 reasons for it

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Well, this conversation is going well. 🤔

[ErixonStone]

I don't see how this is different from someone submitting a remastered version of an old course.

Except that you used the word Tour in the name instead of Remastered, and the original course is not so old.

[Deleted]

Maybe I should ask it this way: shouldn't there be a way then to modify the TGCT database so that my (Tour) version is the listed version?

Bottom line is this: I now have two published versions of this course because TGC doesn't allow overwrites, but nobody should play the original anymore because it's not the version that will be used on TGCT. However, the course was submitted before hundreds of people played it and said the OB and a few other things had to be fixed. Now I've fixed those things, remastered some holes, and it's basically a different experience.

When it gets used on Web, as I'm told it will, the (Tour) version won't have a listing.

It comes down to accuracy in my mind. My intention is never to be a pain for admins. I'm a donor to them, I support their efforts. So I don't appreciate people treating me like I'm being a dumbass.

Thanks for understanding ErixonStone.

[mrooola]

I'm sorry you feel that I somehow treated you like a dumbass simply because I expressed my opinion in the views of a reviewer. If we can't even disagree on something without that somehow gets interpreted as being rude I'm not sure how this forum will survive. All designers are asked to submit 1 version of the course. That has been stated by Canuck and I stand by that. I'll leave you now and hope I haven't offended you further.

[Deleted]

I would like to be able to edit an approved listing without bothering anyone.

[Deleted]

Aug 14, 2017 12:02:01 GMT -5 mrooola said:

I'm sorry you feel that I somehow treated you like a dumbass simply because I expressed my opinion in the views of a reviewer. If we can't even disagree on something without that somehow gets interpreted as being rude I'm not sure how this forum will survive. All designers are asked to submit 1 version of the course. That has been stated by Canuck and I stand by that. I'll leave you now and hope I haven't offended you further.

You and I have spoken in the past and I've complemented your work, I thought we had a bit more rapport than the gruff response I thought you made. Even though I provided a detailed explanation for my question, you seemed snappy in response. So I'd actually say, if a lowly layperson can't ask an innocent question without having a reviewer snap at them, this forum won't survive.

I personally believe my question to be a valid one.

[mrooola]

Aug 14, 2017 13:07:01 GMT -5 VctryLnSprts said:

Aug 14, 2017 12:02:01 GMT -5 mrooola said:

I'm sorry you feel that I somehow treated you like a dumbass simply because I expressed my opinion in the views of a reviewer. If we can't even disagree on something without that somehow gets interpreted as being rude I'm not sure how this forum will survive. All designers are asked to submit 1 version of the course. That has been stated by Canuck and I stand by that. I'll leave you now and hope I haven't offended you further.

You and I have spoken in the past and I've complemented your work, I thought we had a bit more rapport than the gruff response I thought you made. Even though I provided a detailed explanation for my question, you seemed snappy in response. So I'd actually say, if a lowly layperson can't ask an innocent question without having a reviewer snap at them, this forum won't survive.

I personally believe my question to be a valid one.

Wasn't my intention to be snappy and rude. Thought I was on point and didn't feel a need to elaborate. Oh well, for what it's worth I'm sorry if I offended you. Good luck with the course.

[Deleted]

No worries, sorry for being sensitive. I just try very hard to be a contributing member here, I'm not trying to cause the admins or the reviewers any additional headaches. Just wanting to understand what to do in my situation.