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Post by jacobkessler on May 24, 2017 18:36:12 GMT -5
How do you do it?
I'm not talking about the technical "how do you do it" as in copying it from your published courses, but how do you go about planning it out?
I personally have a note in my phone with pin locations for all four rounds. For example, here's two rounds for one of my courses: Mt. Kessler- A 1 Center 2 Back Right 3 Front Left 4 Back Right 5 Front Center 6 Center 7 Front Left 8 TEES UP Front Left 9 Front Center 10 Back Right 11 Front Center 12 Back Center 13 TEES UP Back Left 14 Front Left 15 Mid-Right 16 Front Right 17 Front Center 18 Back Center
Mt. Kessler- B 1 Front Left 2 Center 3 Back Center 4 Front Right 5 Back Center 6 TEES UP Front Center 7 Front Right 8 Center 9 Back Center 10 Front Center 11 Back Center 12 Mid-Left 13 Center 14 Mid-Right 15 Back Left 16 Center 17 Back Center 18 Front Left
I've also heard of people using the distance tool or just doing it as they go along. Just a question that popped into my head while playing this week's event.
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Post by beamstas on May 24, 2017 19:31:07 GMT -5
I have not multi pinned a course yet but riverside valley may be my first. In my opinion you would want a good mix of pins thru all 4 rounds with the average of all 18 getting harder as you progress. For exmaple front pins in round 1 may have some kind of backstop while front pins in round 4 may have roll off areas behind the pin. Back pins may be fairly flat in round 1 whereas in round 4 they may be on a plateu that punishes short shots.this is how i plan to pin my course. You dont want to have all easy back pins in round 1 and all tucked pins in round 4, variety keeps things interesting but you want the average difficulty to increase as the rounds progress. Just my 2c from an inexperienced designer.
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Post by beamstas on May 24, 2017 19:34:20 GMT -5
I would like to add i like pablos approach in the recent web tournament, although the pins got harder some of the tees were moved up which made for some interesting play and is something i would like to incorporate into my own designs.
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Post by ErixonStone on May 24, 2017 21:35:34 GMT -5
My method is to pick 4 placements on various parts of the greens as I design them and mark them with an X using the design tool. Then I design around those positions while thinking about which tee boxes to use. I then draw bad diagrams of my greens and mark pin positions A B C D that more or less match up to where I've drawn my Xs. I also write down the course conditions for each setup. Here's what I wrote for Hylan Park: The checkmarks remind me that I've set the pin/tee/condition correctly for that hole/round. The chicken-scratch at the bottom are all the corrections I found I needed to make as I played through each version of the course.
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Post by yyzleafs on May 25, 2017 6:43:50 GMT -5
If it were me I would just publish the course, move the pins and tees a bit, publish again, repeat, repeat
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Post by jacobkessler on May 25, 2017 7:01:52 GMT -5
My method is to pick 4 placements on various parts of the greens as I design them and mark them with an X using the design tool. Then I design around those positions while thinking about which tee boxes to use. I then draw bad diagrams of my greens and mark pin positions A B C D that more or less match up to where I've drawn my Xs. I also write down the course conditions for each setup. Here's what I wrote for Hylan Park: The checkmarks remind me that I've set the pin/tee/condition correctly for that hole/round. The chicken-scratch at the bottom are all the corrections I found I needed to make as I played through each version of the course. If I had more time on my hands, I'd do this too. Definitely like to be organized though.
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Post by mayday_golf83 on May 29, 2017 7:14:07 GMT -5
My method is to pick 4 placements on various parts of the greens as I design them and mark them with an X using the design tool. Then I design around those positions while thinking about which tee boxes to use. I then draw bad diagrams of my greens and mark pin positions A B C D that more or less match up to where I've drawn my Xs. I also write down the course conditions for each setup. My approach is similar to Patrick's, though I don't settle on my pin positions until the end. While I'm designing, I keep in the back of my mind where pins "could" go, and make sure I've got plenty of pinable locations on each green. Once I'm set, then I draw my map, with where I want my pins generally. I also put my tee boxes on the map so I can match them up. I like to rotate positions on the green as well to ensure I've got a good mix of front, middle and back pins. Here's what I did for the Euro version of Seenbayer Park. In this instance Rod wanted 3 firm and 1 medium setup, so I set the medium pins first using locations I knew I couldn't get away with in a firm setup (represented by the circled 2 on each green). Then I went and did the rest, alternating front, middle & back. Once I roughed in tees/pins on paper, I got specific and set the pin and tee for the first setup, writing down the hole-by-hole yardage on my sheet. Then I play tested a couple of times to make sure my pins were legal and I was happy with how it played. Once satisfied, I hopped back into the designer, marked the tee/pin locations with the distance tool and went about setting up the next day. Rinse/repeat for all four versions.
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Post by mav78 on May 29, 2017 9:24:37 GMT -5
The general consensus is to have 6 easy, 6 medium and 6 hard. I never worry about this too much, as long as they flow nicely like you have shown in your list then it's fine. You can get away with placing them the same section of a green for maybe 2/3 holes as long as it's not too often.
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Post by jacobkessler on May 29, 2017 9:34:11 GMT -5
I will say that I find it interesting that some people like to make Thursday the easiest and Sunday the hardest. Similar to mav, I like to balance things out over all 4 rounds in terms of difficulty.
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Post by pablo on May 29, 2017 15:46:21 GMT -5
I will say that I find it interesting that some people like to make Thursday the easiest and Sunday the hardest. Similar to mav, I like to balance things out over all 4 rounds in terms of difficulty. In terms of difficulty I tend to set the hardest pins on friday (earn that cut you b%&) and sunday. On saturday I usually go for easier pins and harder conditions, and on thursday it all depends on how I woke up the day I prepare the setup. As for pin locations, when a scheduler asks me to multipin I reload the course, and start placing random pins on each green to see how they play with the conditions I will use for a given day, and as I go finding potential positions, I mark them on the green with stakes. Red= potential r.1, blue = potential r.2, yellow = potential r.3 and white = potential r.4. I get a better perspective in terms of angles of attack like that than with a piece of paper (i'm more digital than analogic). Then I only need to clean a bit those areas, and mark the pins in a non-intrusive way, with the distance tool
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Post by jacobkessler on May 29, 2017 15:53:37 GMT -5
Oh, speaking of those stakes, am I the only one who knows what the blue stakes are for? Red is lateral, yellow is water, and white is OB, but does anyone have a guess to what the blue are? Hint- it's an actual thing, not just TGC.
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Post by Griz891 on May 29, 2017 19:06:57 GMT -5
I say wait for TGC2 and the designer will multi-pin the dam course for you as you design!!! Well, at least that's what I heard.....CARRY ON!!!
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Post by jacobkessler on May 29, 2017 21:01:34 GMT -5
I say wait for TGC2 and the designer will multi-pin the dam course for you as you design!!! Well, at least that's what I heard.....CARRY ON!!! That, of course, will make this thread pointless lol!
For the answer to my trivia question, the blue stakes stand for ground under repair... the more you know
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Post by mav78 on May 30, 2017 2:20:46 GMT -5
Oh, speaking of those stakes, am I the only one who knows what the blue stakes are for? Red is lateral, yellow is water, and white is OB, but does anyone have a guess to what the blue are? Hint- it's an actual thing, not just TGC. Blue stakes could marking irrigation points mate, where the hoses can be used from or sprinklers turned on. GUR is marked by white paint sprayed around the area, I haven't seen it marked by blue stakes, that's new to me.
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Post by mrooola on May 30, 2017 4:03:12 GMT -5
Where I live blue stakes and markers is used to show distance to the hole. Here it's usually 75 meters, but I've seen it used as 200 as well although normally that would be white.
GUR is used with blue and white stakes or white lines on the ground. I know that in some places blue stakes can be used for GUR. Best to check the local rules for clarification.
I'll chip in with my pinning methods later.
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