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Post by mrvinegar206 on Apr 20, 2017 21:06:00 GMT -5
I wanted to resurrect this thread by posting some of the inspirations that went into my new course, Crab Claw Bay Golf Links.
#1: The green shape was inspired by the 14th at Muirfield Village. It just fits perfectly into the hillside. #2: A little bit of 9 at Chambers Bay from the elevated tees. #3: The green contours were inspired by the 4th at Kapalua Plantation. #4: The cross-bunkers are inspired by Hell's Half Acre. #5: It was inspired by a combination of the 8th and 11th at the Old Course in St. Andrews. #6: Nothing was a direct inspiration. Just the idea of a skyline green template. #7: A slightly unusual take on a punchbowl as the back of the bowl is missing. Punchbowls can make for some of the crazier holes, like 12 at Chambers Bay, 6 at Doubtful Dunes, and 4 at Fisher's Island, to name a few. #8: Inspired by the Alps template. #9: The green is inspired by 16 at Pasatiempo, but way toned down. #10: Inspired by (select almost any hole) at Whistling Straits. #11: The green was inspired by 14 at Spyglass. #12: An insane cape hole. Has a very Dye feel to it, too. #13: Green has a kick-slope that was made popular by the Redan template. #14: A more traditional cape #15: Inspired by the Postage Stamp #16: The green was inspired by the 17th green at Royal County Down #17: The hole started out as a nod to 6 at Royal County Down and then greatly changed and evolved from that. #18: Green was inspired by a combination of the 18th green at Chambers Bay and the 9th green at Oakmont.
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Post by Errol1967 on May 14, 2017 5:25:32 GMT -5
I love this thread. Im a big lover of the nature and everywhere I look I see golf holes. I never touched a club in my life, cause of the money, but Im very good at midget golf, but thats something different. I really like golf as a sport, but also the nature and surroundings on the golf course. I bought a special notebook, where I write my ideas in and it have many ideas. I get my ideas from just walking in the nature, or playing No Man's Sky, then Im thinking from hey...that would be a nice and pretty golf hole and write this idea in my notebook. I also take screeshots on my phone from the nature around me. The pictures you see is in the area I live in. Its have beautifull parks and ponds and it gives me some golf course ideas. I really like the designer in the golf club and Im still learning it and practicing offline, but designing on the PS4 is a real pain in the ass, with to many crashes and sick of it to save it every time...one of the main reasons I dropped out of the invicta contest. I own a PS4 Pro atm and its a bit better...framerate is better, but still struggling to make a course and I really like to publish my first course. I hope the designer in TGC2 is better, cause I have many ideas for a golf course. I made a walk today and took some pretty pictures from the area where I live, this gives me some nice ideas from making a golf hole. Anyway...I like this thread...keep it up.
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Post by mav78 on May 14, 2017 8:49:57 GMT -5
Cool thread. I have only just noticed it. When I get a chance I'm going to have good read through and get my learning head on. I am in the process of writing about UK designers James Braid and Herbert Fowler. Britain is full of hidden links course - many designed by these two - that began to form around the late 1800's mainly due to want of societies and clubs. Football, Rugby and Cricket clubs began to form around this era too, so golf was part of that social evolution. Thanks to travel improvements - mainly railways, which is why many courses have railtracks running alongside them - golf spread to all four corners of the British Isles. It seems Braid and Fowler did most of their designing at home while their comptemparies like Ross ands Colt went to other shores, mainly America.
Once I finish it ill and copy and paste it here for some feedback if that's ok? I also designed a course for my college course so ill dig out the sketches and plans when I get a sec.
Search Askernish Golf Club if you get a chance. I went to a lecture with the man who basically found an old Tom Morris abandoned golf club on a Scottish Isle and bought it back to life. Pretty much something like that would be a dream.
'Make this course look like land' is my favourite quote. All I do when design is just follow the terrain, let that design it for me.
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Post by TreeWood on May 14, 2017 12:07:03 GMT -5
I love this thread. Im a big lover of the nature and everywhere I look I see golf holes. I never touched a club in my life, cause of the money, but Im very good at midget golf, but thats something different. I really like golf as a sport, but also the nature and surroundings on the golf course. I bought a special notebook, where I write my ideas in and it have many ideas. I get my ideas from just walking in the nature, or playing No Man's Sky, then Im thinking from hey...that would be a nice and pretty golf hole and write this idea in my notebook. I also take screeshots on my phone from the nature around me. The pictures you see is in the area I live in. Its have beautifull parks and ponds and it gives me some golf course ideas. I really like the designer in the golf club and Im still learning it and practicing offline, but designing on the PS4 is a real pain in the ass, with to many crashes and sick of it to save it every time...one of the main reasons I dropped out of the invicta contest. I own a PS4 Pro atm and its a bit better...framerate is better, but still struggling to make a course and I really like to publish my first course. I hope the designer in TGC2 is better, cause I have many ideas for a golf course. I made a walk today and took some pretty pictures from the area where I live, this gives me some nice ideas from making a golf hole. Anyway...I like this thread...keep it up. Hi Errol, Nice pictures. I love the look from photo #2. That would be a great little par 3 hole, with the willow tree on the left, and the pond to clear before getting to the green. These look kinda like theye were taken near the Nationaal Park near Meppel -- either that, or while you were taking your 9-iron through Keukenhof (those poor tulips). :-)
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Post by Errol1967 on May 14, 2017 12:24:31 GMT -5
Hi Errol, Nice pictures. I love the look from photo #2. That would be a great little par 3 hole, with the willow tree on the left, and the pond to clear before getting to the green. These look kinda like theye were taken near the Nationaal Park near Meppel -- either that, or while you were taking your 9-iron through Keukenhof (those poor tulips). :-) I live in Kampen, thats about 18 miles from Meppel.
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Post by TreeWood on May 14, 2017 13:02:46 GMT -5
Hi Errol, Nice pictures. I love the look from photo #2. That would be a great little par 3 hole, with the willow tree on the left, and the pond to clear before getting to the green. These look kinda like theye were taken near the Nationaal Park near Meppel -- either that, or while you were taking your 9-iron through Keukenhof (those poor tulips). :-) I live in Kampen, thats about 18 miles from Meppel. I'm getting better and better with my Dutch geography! Just Google Earthed it.... looks like a nice place, right on the river...
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Post by Errol1967 on May 14, 2017 13:09:22 GMT -5
I live in Kampen, thats about 18 miles from Meppel. I'm getting better and better with my Dutch geography! Just Google Earthed it.... looks like a nice place, right on the river... Yeah its a very old city in Holland with the river IJssel and lake Veluwemeer, actually it is the Drontermeer Its very beautifull here and peacefull.
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Post by Errol1967 on May 25, 2017 4:10:45 GMT -5
Took some pictures today, while walking...see some pretty golf holes:) Second picture is right behind my house.
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Post by tastegw on May 25, 2017 6:18:37 GMT -5
where are the gators?
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Post by Errol1967 on May 25, 2017 6:24:42 GMT -5
I ate them last week...lol, btw...we dont have gators here in Holland...ugly creatures.
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Post by TreeWood on May 25, 2017 11:48:31 GMT -5
If that 2nd pic is right behind Errol's house, I believe he lives in the middle of the 8th fairway.
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Post by Errol1967 on May 25, 2017 12:30:01 GMT -5
If that 2nd pic is right behind Errol's house, I believe he lives in the middle of the 8th fairway. Hahaha...
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Post by gregfordyce on Jun 8, 2017 8:49:31 GMT -5
Reviving this thread, darnit! We have discussed a lot regarding strategy and decisions/options/interest on this thread; there is a new course by Eric Nesbit, Forgedale Springs Golf Club, that I recommend you play as a good example of that. Lots of options on most shots, with the wrong decision being made resulting in a poor score - the very definition of good course design. Also, excellent firm green complexes - firm done right, imo. Just thought I'd put that out there, as it related to good golf course architecture.
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Post by mrvinegar206 on Jun 17, 2017 0:30:08 GMT -5
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Post by mav78 on Jun 18, 2017 5:28:06 GMT -5
Good article. This course design stuff is all pretty straightforward when spelled out to you eh I agree totally with what he is saying and personally believe strategic design is way more interesting and fun than penal. Generally, par 3's are holes that can be altered to play completely different. Simply changing hole location and - if you have a tee area that allows you to move the markers sufficiently in all directions - tee location, you can set up the hole to play different every time. As much as I agree with him: US Open setups have always been traditionally penal designs. I was under the impression it was like that because they wanted to weed out the best ball striker. The essence of the game is to hit the ball straight and by making them long, narrow fairways with very thick rough not too far off the fairway you can see who the best hitter is. Hopefully, we can see more of this low scoring in future US Opens, mix it up a little. I much prefer wider fairways. Not just because of the strategic element but the fact the 'difficult enough' game of golf is made easier for the majority of golfers. Far more fun can be had playing the game without endlessly looking for your ball in rough areas. it also has the added bonus of speeding up play. However, building fairways nearly twice as wide as the average 30 yards, bring about other issues. Fairways twice as wide will mean twice as much irrigation; finer turf seed (which is more expensive); construction and maintenance. This would add a considerable amount to the initial outlay and the upkeep of the course afterwards. It should be noted, also, that Erin Hills had a vast amount of land to work with, so hole width wasn't so much of an issue - in most cases it is. As much as I would like to see it, I don't think this design style will come into fruition too much in the future.
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