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Post by itschadillac on Apr 26, 2016 18:20:28 GMT -5
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Post by Terry Grayson on Apr 26, 2016 19:10:50 GMT -5
You sure this is your first design??
beautiful course, I was struck with good lighting and a beautiful view from the first tee box.... Only thing I would mention is maybe moving that tree dead ahead to the right of the pin just a bit more right in case of a strong right to left wind... I nearly hit it, and did hit a little of a tree on hole two or three... definitely makes you shape your shot on a hole or two....
I though the construction of what I have played so far is very and I mean VERY good....Nicely sculpted bunkers and fairways, greens are nice and roll true and not overly aggressive...
I will point something out that I know others will ahead of time (But please know this absolutely took zero away from how good I personally think the course is overall)
see pic below
Where the light rough and rough and such come into the green there, and up top near the bunker needs to be straightened out, meaning if you are going to have light rough etc give the green some around it and such..Hope that makes sense.... Also some of the bunkers were split almost in half between two textures... while they absolutely dont bother me, some will point that out so I beat them to it. ha ha
Very good effort for a first time release.... Miles ahead of where I started and its obvious you have a very good grasp of the tools in the game and proper construction.....
Tidy up that texture issue is the only thing Id mention and maybe a tree or two moved back just a smidge and some sizing of the greens are small for the most part but the firmness and speed setting made them pretty easy to hold...other than that, good golf course already
Cant wait to test out the final release..... heading to play it again now and may give some more feedback on completion
good work so far sir..... Terry
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Post by Terry Grayson on Apr 26, 2016 19:30:30 GMT -5
Just finished up another round...Basically some cosmetic fixes in my opinion is all it needs...check your fairway on that hole on the back with the bear claw bunkers, looks like you may have forgotten to fill in a couple spots about midway down the fairway.... couple bunkers around 16 could be a little more sculpted and a little more smoothing on the cart path toward the end of the round
Ill say again for a first effort, outstanding work...loved the tree lined fairways and how it opened up at the end.....
Looking forward to final version.....
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Post by itschadillac on Apr 27, 2016 8:53:32 GMT -5
Terry, first off I really appreciate you taking the time to play the course and offer some feedback. I'll admit hearing you say that it's a really good first course takes a bit of a load off. I was a little nervous how some people would receive it. The entire time I was working on it I had no idea if it would be considered too hard or not hard enough, if the greens would be sloped enough or not enough. All sorts of doubts and things of that nature running through my mind. Yet in the end I felt confident enough that I had a good course and one that looks really nice for sure. So, was nice to hear it from others :-) And yes this is my first one, although as I mentioned I practiced some with other courses I then deleted, so I gained some experience before this one at least.
Are you referring to the second green here? The tall pine just in front of the green? Maybe move it to the right some for that pin location? I set up every single green to where I can have multiple pin locations too by the way, I just picked those pins to begin with.
So, are you meaning to be at least some light rough around every single hole? Right now I can think of two, maybe three that have no light rough around the green. Otherwise I think I have light rough around the other greens. I'm just wanting to make sure I'm understanding your suggestion?
When you say two textures, are you referring to using two different shapes to make the sand and didn't hide that well? Too obvious? Sorry if I'm wrong on this. New guy here lol
I'm actually curious what you thought about the 10th green? I debated and debated making it bigger. In fact the 6th hole green used to be fairly small, but, eventually I decided it was just too small and completely re-did it. But, with 10 I just kept debating and decided I'd let a few people play it and see if I got any "this green is terrible" comments :-) So, wondering what you thought about that one and if I should resize it?
Again really appreciate it. And I too liked the way the course flows with the tree lined fairways and then suddenly you are at the lake. Obviously that's how I planned it from the beginning, but it turned out just how I pictured it as well. A lot of the water on the course and the creek was honestly put there more so for the scenery than it was to ruin your day. lol. And all those rocks along the 9th and 18th, while that took about two and a half hours to do, I thought it really made 18, even 9, but especially 18 look awesome for a finishing hole. So, that's why I did it. By the way, fun fact, there are 700 rocks along 9 and 18. LOL. I was bored so I counted them one day.
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Post by pyates on Apr 27, 2016 9:24:08 GMT -5
Might not get much time for a while, with the Olympic design contest taking up my TGC time (I'm last to finish), but I wanted to say it looks like a really natural and interesting design. Really looking forward to giving this a go. If I get to it before your final version I'll give my suggestions, but if I'm too late I'm sure I'll enjoy the final version. Will post my thoughts either way Great stuff
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Post by Terry Grayson on Apr 27, 2016 10:29:00 GMT -5
Terry, first off I really appreciate you taking the time to play the course and offer some feedback. I'll admit hearing you say that it's a really good first course takes a bit of a load off. I was a little nervous how some people would receive it. The entire time I was working on it I had no idea if it would be considered too hard or not hard enough, if the greens would be sloped enough or not enough. All sorts of doubts and things of that nature running through my mind. Yet in the end I felt confident enough that I had a good course and one that looks really nice for sure. So, was nice to hear it from others :-) And yes this is my first one, although as I mentioned I practiced some with other courses I then deleted, so I gained some experience before this one at least. Are you referring to the second green here? The tall pine just in front of the green? Maybe move it to the right some for that pin location? I set up every single green to where I can have multiple pin locations too by the way, I just picked those pins to begin with. No sir, the tree just ahead of the tee box on the first tee (on the right)...Just a little close, especially with a cross wind of any significance.... However It forces you to shape your shot, so maybe leave it So, are you meaning to be at least some light rough around every single hole? Right now I can think of two, maybe three that have no light rough around the green. Otherwise I think I have light rough around the other greens. I'm just wanting to make sure I'm understanding your suggestion? Check out the pic I posted above, below the bunker how the light rough and rough comes into the green, in reality they should follow around with a smooth transition around the green instead of coming to an abrupt stop there on the side of the green, it just creates an unrealistic look there is all.... When you say two textures, are you referring to using two different shapes to make the sand and didn't hide that well? Too obvious? Sorry if I'm wrong on this. New guy here lol I'm actually curious what you thought about the 10th green? I debated and debated making it bigger. In fact the 6th hole green used to be fairly small, but, eventually I decided it was just too small and completely re-did it. But, with 10 I just kept debating and decided I'd let a few people play it and see if I got any "this green is terrible" comments :-) So, wondering what you thought about that one and if I should resize it? Leave the 10th... I really enjoyed that one ....Again really appreciate it. And I too liked the way the course flows with the tree lined fairways and then suddenly you are at the lake. Obviously that's how I planned it from the beginning, but it turned out just how I pictured it as well. A lot of the water on the course and the creek was honestly put there more so for the scenery than it was to ruin your day. lol. And all those rocks along the 9th and 18th, while that took about two and a half hours to do, I thought it really made 18, even 9, but especially 18 look awesome for a finishing hole. So, that's why I did it. By the way, fun fact, there are 700 rocks along 9 and 18. LOL. I was bored so I counted them one day. I really enjoyed the course and again only a couple little cosmetic things like the above mentioned... Its a beautiful course though and for a first design it shows you have studied the architect and are comfortable with the tools.... Very good effort
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Post by itschadillac on Apr 27, 2016 10:56:37 GMT -5
Thanks pyates, hope you get to play it soon, would love the feedback!
Terry, thanks for clarifying. What's funny is that you mention that tree on hole one, I actually watched a close friend of mine play the course the other night and he streamed it for some other friends on twitch. When I was watching his stream I noticed that tree and thought maybe it could go backwards just a hair. There were two other trees I thought the same thing about, so I might look into it. Thanks again!
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Post by hershalcrustofsk on Apr 27, 2016 14:24:09 GMT -5
Great job on a first design. I'll start with the good and try not to elaborate too much on what terry has already said. The atmosphere and natural feel you have created here is so good, even for an experienced designer. I love the way the course forces you to shape shots and really think about each shot. Overall just an extremely well done course.
Couple things to watch for though, on the edges of some fairways there was some smoothing needed (example on the right side of 1 fairway just past the landing zone). There are not a bunch of these but just something to watch for. As terry mentioned a little bit of interesting stuff and inconsistencies where there is fairway, light and heavy rough especially around some greens and a few weird ones on fairways. I personally don't subscribe to the notion of putting a ring of rough around your bunkers but I can guarantee every time you don't do it, someone will say you should. I also felt there were just a few greens that were a little small for the firm settings, and getting it anywhere on the green was near impossible.
But seriously, if this is your first design, we've got a natural here. Great course with the potential to be even more wth a few minor tweaks. I really enjoyed it and look forward to seeing what else you have in store.
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Post by itschadillac on Apr 28, 2016 8:09:30 GMT -5
Great job on a first design. I'll start with the good and try not to elaborate too much on what terry has already said. The atmosphere and natural feel you have created here is so good, even for an experienced designer. I love the way the course forces you to shape shots and really think about each shot. Overall just an extremely well done course. Couple things to watch for though, on the edges of some fairways there was some smoothing needed (example on the right side of 1 fairway just past the landing zone). There are not a bunch of these but just something to watch for. As terry mentioned a little bit of interesting stuff and inconsistencies where there is fairway, light and heavy rough especially around some greens and a few weird ones on fairways. I personally don't subscribe to the notion of putting a ring of rough around your bunkers but I can guarantee every time you don't do it, someone will say you should. I also felt there were just a few greens that were a little small for the firm settings, and getting it anywhere on the green was near impossible. But seriously, if this is your first design, we've got a natural here. Great course with the potential to be even more with a few minor tweaks. I really enjoyed it and look forward to seeing what else you have in store. Thanks for playing it and for commenting hershalcrustofsk! I played a couple rounds last night and I can see some of the areas of the fairways that need some smoothing that you're referring to and the areas of rough. I'll get to work on those shortly to try to fix some of the things everyone here has recommended. BTW, you mentioned that a few greens were small for the firm setting. Curious if you think just going down a couple clicks maybe on the firmness will help that any? I'm planning to make the changes this weekend and maybe launch a second version Saturday with different pin placements to see if I've gotten some of the suggestions knocked out. I'll let you guys know when it's up!
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Post by hershalcrustofsk on Apr 28, 2016 12:40:34 GMT -5
So the firmness dial is kind of misleading there really are only a few firmness settings, I think there is just soft, medium and firm (someone please correct me if I'm wrong). So your options there are limited. Something you could so is have a firm setup where the pins are a little more exposed, or where there is a shorter club in to give a bit of a chance of stopping. Or you could go to medium firmness and tuck the pins a little more. Or publish one of each. I'm guessing your intent is to have a challenging course which I really like, just try to ensure it's at least possible to hit the green with a well executed shot, when you decide what firmness you are going with. Bigger greens, slopes that help or open fronts can help in achieving that if you want to go with firm. Another good reason for not having too many really small greens is it helps to do a good multi-pin if you are ever asked to host a tourney. Which with the quality of first effort you've shown here will be happening, if not on this one, one of your next works. Let me know when you do publish something else and I'll be sure to give it a go.
Keep in mind these are just my opinions, and they probably aren't ones that everyone would agree with. Great work and keep on doing your thing.
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Post by itschadillac on Apr 30, 2016 1:30:14 GMT -5
Alright, the second version of the course is now published with the suggested fixes and a few changes/additions that I thought of. Search bcgc2
- Hole 1: Replaced the tree that was sticking out a bit with a different tree and moved back and down some. - Hole 2: Fixed rough area around green by replacing with fairway around the green since it's a bit of a long par 4. - Hole 7: Removed a green side bunker. - Hole 11: Added/Fixed some fairway towards the end of the hole. - Hole 12: Moved the tree hanging out a little bit too much, back in some. - Hole 14: Added/Fixed fairway about half way down. - Hole 15: Tweaked the greens slope a little. - Hole 16: Tried to sculpt the two greenside sand traps more. - Hole 18: Added a sand trap to right of green after removing 7th hole sand trap, so I could keep my number of sand traps at 100, lol. - All holes: Smoothed out the cart paths more. All new pin placements. Tweaked green firmness and fairway firmness. Added in some more bushes and a couple trees. Smoothed all the edges of the fairways hopefully enough! Some other minor fixes
Thoughts?
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Post by welikeitroughnc on Apr 30, 2016 16:07:30 GMT -5
Can't find this course anywhere
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Post by itschadillac on Apr 30, 2016 18:20:35 GMT -5
Did you search bcgc2 ?
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Post by welikeitroughnc on Apr 30, 2016 19:11:08 GMT -5
I'll look in just a bit
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Post by itschadillac on May 10, 2016 13:15:03 GMT -5
I've released the final version of this. Just search Bear Creek Golf Club in game. Tried to make a few of the greens a little more receiving without taking the difficulties of it away.
Thanks for all the feedback everyone. I've enjoyed the process of making my first course and hope to make another one soon!
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