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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 7:34:14 GMT -5
I figured I'd throw this out there because you know what they say, nothing ventured nothing gained.
When I first joined TGC Tours, the first thing I had to do, in order to get placed, was Q School. I did it and got placed.
So here's my stupid question.
Can I do Q School again to get replaced or is this just a one shot deal?
Figured I'd ask. What the heck.
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Post by hmammoth on Jan 20, 2016 7:46:01 GMT -5
I figured I'd throw this out there because you know what they say, nothing ventured nothing gained. When I first joined TGC Tours, the first thing I had to do, in order to get placed, was Q School. I did it and got placed. So here's my stupid question. Can I do Q School again to get replaced or is this just a one shot deal? Figured I'd ask. What the heck. One shot deal
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Post by dh-nufc on Jan 20, 2016 7:46:28 GMT -5
One shot deal. There was a Q school type event in December but apart from that you can only move up or down in the normal way. There is an end of season championship where you can gain promotion to the Web. That's how I got there last year.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 8:00:59 GMT -5
Thanks for the replies. Yeah, I should have waited to join TGC Tours. I wasn't ready when I did. Took me months to get my game to where it is now. Moving up, however, is tough and not so much a reflection on your score relative to everyone in all the classes from A to E. If I did Q School now, assuming I'd spent these last 4 months just practicing my butt off like I've been doing, I probably would have made it into C class at minimum. Considering I was placed in D, as bad as I was, I think that's a conservative estimate. More likely I would have been placed in A or B.
With the requirements for moving up (top 10 finish) it is doubtful I will ever get anywhere near those classes, whereas just keeping from dropping down (top 70 finish) is extremely easy. Were I in A or B now, I'd probably never do any better than 50 through 70. But being where I am (E class) I'm never going to even see those days.
Yeah, I have my regrets and absolutely wish I didn't join when I did. I wasn't close to being ready to play competitive golf. Now I am. But it's too little too late. Right now I'm hanging onto 4th place in E Class but because of a "bad" 4th round (2 under) I will probably just miss top 10 (I estimate 30 under will be needed and I finished 28 under) and I'll still be in E Class next week, probably never to get out.
But, that ship has sailed and there's nothing I can do about it. I know I'm now good enough to finish top 70 in A or B and avoid getting demoted but I'm never going to see those classes because I'm not good enough to make top 10 where I am now.
Of course maybe once the guys in E class who are in the top 10 now move up to D, maybe the week after, by process of elimination, I'll end up moving up anyway simply because all the better players in my class are gone. I admit I hadn't considered that. Still, it's frustrating when you realize that you rushed into doing this when you weren't close to being ready and I regret that more than you can imagine.
Spilled milk and I'm done crying over it.
Just needed to get that out of my system.
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Post by ABU_Bear on Jan 20, 2016 8:07:02 GMT -5
Thanks for the replies. Yeah, I should have waited to join TGC Tours. I wasn't ready when I did. Took me months to get my game to where it is now. Moving up, however, is tough and not so much a reflection on your score relative to everyone in all the classes from A to E. If I did Q School now, assuming I'd spent these last 4 months just practicing my butt off like I've been doing, I probably would have made it into C class at minimum. Considering I was placed in D, as bad as I was, I think that's a conservative estimate. More likely I would have been placed in A or B. With the requirements for moving up (top 10 finish) it is doubtful I will ever get anywhere near those classes, whereas just keeping from dropping down (top 70 finish) is extremely easy. Were I in A or B now, I'd probably never do any better than 50 through 70. But being where I am (E class) I'm never going to even see those days. Yeah, I have my regrets and absolutely wish I didn't join when I did. I wasn't close to being ready to play competitive golf. Now I am. But it's too little too late. Right now I'm hanging onto 4th place in E Class but because of a "bad" 4th round (2 under) I will probably just miss top 10 (I estimate 30 under will be needed and I finished 28 under) and I'll still be in E Class next week, probably never to get out. But, that ship has sailed and there's nothing I can do about it. I know I'm now good enough to finish top 70 in A or B and avoid getting demoted but I'm never going to see those classes because I'm not good enough to make top 10 where I am now. Of course maybe once the guys in E class who are in the top 10 now move up to D, maybe the week after, by process of elimination, I'll end up moving up anyway simply because all the better players in my class are gone. I admit I hadn't considered that. Still, it's frustrating when you realize that you rushed into doing this when you weren't close to being ready and I regret that more than you can imagine. Spilled milk and I'm done crying over it. Just needed to get that out of my system. As I've said in the past...it is VERY easy to move down the tiers and VERY difficult to progress on an upward trend the way the system is set up. It works...but there is not enough there for winners and consistent top 20 finishers. I'll use myself as an example...the past 5 tournaments I have finished T12 T13 T28 T38 T24 respectively in CC-D.....if I had been automatically promoted to CC-C after my win I would have finished the last 5 tournaments in CC-C T22 T16 T30 T53 T32....not a great difference in those finishes
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Post by dh-nufc on Jan 20, 2016 8:10:44 GMT -5
Hey @wagtunes. I did play quite a bit before I did Q-School and I did really well, scraping into Web-A at the time. When the challenge circuit came about I was demoted to CC-B. I had 10 weeks in CC-B and got 3 exemptions but I blew every one. I somehow managed an amazing 4 rounds for the end of season championship where I finished 2nd in CC-B and got promoted back to web. It's a hard slog but it can be done. It only takes 1 good week where every round is to the best of your abilities. It sounds like you were close this week. You will get there.
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Post by Tim on Jan 20, 2016 8:26:20 GMT -5
We are soon to be releasing a new "dynamic" way of earning exemptions and getting demotions based on current field of the tournament.
This way for the bigger flights there will be more exemptions handed out and a bigger group that would receive demotions. This is a little more fair and allows us to back-fill tours at a higher pace.
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Post by dh-nufc on Jan 20, 2016 8:33:04 GMT -5
We are soon to be releasing a new "dynamic" way of earning exemptions and getting demotions based on current field of the tournament. This way for the bigger flights there will be more exemptions handed out and a bigger group that would receive demotions. This is a little more fair and allows us to back-fill tours at a higher pace. Are you ready for the back lash from the "Every change is bad" brigade?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 8:49:42 GMT -5
Just for the heck of it, I went back and played one of the tougher courses from the old Q School (I shot 15 over that day) and played it again just now. I was fortunate to get brutal 15 mph winds to make it an accurate test. I shot par.
Now the old Q school rankings have been taken down so I don't know what shooting par for the whole Q School would have gotten me placed at (and yes, I'm positive I could at least shoot par on these courses now) but it certainly would have gotten me placed higher than my +83 did.
Should have waited. Should have waited. Should have waited.
I am so kicking myself right now for just jumping into this.
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Post by Tim on Jan 20, 2016 9:33:41 GMT -5
If you are playing as you say you are wagtunes.. you will move up in time.. I wouldn't worry about it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 9:37:41 GMT -5
If you are playing as you say you are wagtunes.. you will move up in time.. I wouldn't worry about it. What I find amusing is how when you improve your game gradually, you don't notice it. Just pulled up the last course in the old Q School (Crawford Mines) where I shot my worst score in October (21 over) Today, I missed par by 3 inches on my last putt and finished 1 over. Again, I don't know where this would have placed me had joined just before the new Q School was created but it would have certainly been higher than where I was placed. But, like I said, it's water under the bridge and there isn't much I can do about it. I just find it all so very funny.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 13:12:33 GMT -5
Well, just for fun, I played the new Q School for January and shot 16 over which, ironically, would have landed me in the same class (D) as my 83 over did back in October.
So a few comments on that.
1) Since I'd end up in the same place that I'm trying to get back to, kind of pointless playing it again as I'll eventually get back to D where I probably belong.
2) The new courses are harder than the old courses. Yet the scoring system is infinitely hardly. Don't for the life of me understand this. I'm a better player yet I'd be put in the same class as I was in October.
3) Unless the players coming into Q School have miraculously become infinitely better, with this strict class criteria (anything over 20 over goes to E) there is going to be a massive log jam in E class depending on how many new players we get. You may be looking at 200 plus entrants in these events in E class.
I'm not going to question the new courses and the stricter placing criteria because ultimately, it doesn't affect me one way or the other, but it's going to be very interesting to see how lopsided the class distribution is going to be IF we get an influx of new players.
Either way, I'm looking forward to making it into D class shortly.
Wish me luck
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Post by ErixonStone on Jan 21, 2016 9:41:00 GMT -5
A few weeks ago, Doyley asked current TGCTours players to try out the new 2016 Q-School courses to try to establish a range of scores to use to assign new players to the tours. Most players found the new Q-School courses to be significantly less difficult than the 2015 courses. That's why the scores for assignment have changed so much.
I'm not sure how many players completed the test Q-School, but the bar has been set. As you know, six consecutive rounds doesn't reliably assign players to the correct tour/flight for their level, but it's as close as you could reasonably expect.
When I started, I could barely hit a ball straight. I hadn't learned of TGCTours until two months later, and by then, I had learned how to stay in the cone. I shot +7 in Q-School in October and was assigned to the CC-A tour. My first four finishes: 47, 37, T-34, T-36. Then I had a great week and finished in a 5th-place tie to earn a Web.com exemption. My finishes in Web: T-16, T-48, T-39, MC, T-28. I've been a slightly above-average player on Web.com, and I'm just waiting for that one week where I put four great rounds together.
I've seen guys rocket up the flights from CC-A to Web to PGA/Euro with consistently strong play.
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Post by Tim on Jan 21, 2016 9:44:59 GMT -5
From the tests we did, the courses were indeed less difficult than the original q-school.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2016 10:26:13 GMT -5
From the tests we did, the courses were indeed less difficult than the original q-school. Well, then I am one very odd duck because the old courses are significantly easier for me. Don't ask me why. It just is what it is.
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