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Post by firstblitzer on Aug 4, 2015 3:55:08 GMT -5
crazycanuck
When I see a top 20 player like Andi Smith shoot +41 for a tournament, I have to wonder why? The first thing that comes to mind is that he lost interest and just doesn't care anymore... It's not like he doesn't have the skill (Please feel free to correct me Andi if you read this).. This is not good.
He spat the dummy and had a sook.
I went into this tourney flying blind, played each round without having seen the course before, got my arse handed to me in the first round, with 4 three putts and a 4 putt, did I carry on like a wanker, and throw in the towel ( like Andi), f4ck no, I played the rest of the event the best I could knowing I had no hope of a top 10, 25 etc.
People piling on Canuck and saying his course is unfair, are taking the game way to seriously, LOL, for f4cks-sake get over yourselves.............
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Post by blueorfe on Aug 4, 2015 4:54:28 GMT -5
Well, I clearly screwed this course set up again, for a second time. It was tough setting up this course as the greens were very difficult to begin with. I play tested this one much much more but I clearly missed quite a bit. I apologize that many of you aren't having fun (despite many of you putting up good numbers). I will ask that my courses not be picked for any more PGA/Euro events and will focus on creating easier courses with less demanding greens that average players will hope to find a challenge. I'll admit, my confidence is a bit shot after reading comments over the last few weeks. I'm hopeful that this tournament doesn't turn people off TGC tours and I will make sure you guys get some courses coming up that have easier greens yet still provide a bit of a challenge for you. Sorry guys. Absolutely no apologies needed Andre. I apologize to you for nitpicking in my earlier post. The course is fantastic, completely playable and a very stern challenge, just a couple of pin placements that were a little unfair IMO. That wasn't a good putt at all, I misread it by a foot, so maybe I got what I deserved? I never really complained about it, just highlighted an issue that I had at the time. When you are in a competition and you see your ball rolling 40 feet away when you should've made birdie from 8 feet, it is easy to spit your dummy and blame someone else for your mistake. Having to choose 72 pin positions must be very hard? You're bound to upset a few people with a few of them. I applaud you for making courses that really test the top players in the game. The last thing that we need is going back to the birdie fest courses from earlier on in the season, that's where the frustration is. If I would have taken the time to practice the courses a little more, then I would have been able to plan my way round in a more efficient way, eliminating the needless bogies that I made this week by playing to the correct part of the green on the holes where being too aggressive could land you in trouble. Your courses are wonderful and I look forward to playing them, every time I get the chance too. Your new one Timberwolf is breathtaking. I bet that every one of your courses are on my favourites list. The scores here are where they should be most weeks, I think the low score right now is -32? That's still very low scoring. So please don't feel discouraged by this and continue to make top quality courses with difficult greens for yourself and the tour. Most of us can only dream of making courses to the standard of yours. You do so much for this tour and community, it's very much appreciated. It would be sad if you chose not to continue submitting courses for the tour.
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Post by boomboom on Aug 4, 2015 5:32:19 GMT -5
Well, I clearly screwed this course set up again, for a second time. It was tough setting up this course as the greens were very difficult to begin with. I play tested this one much much more but I clearly missed quite a bit. I apologize that many of you aren't having fun (despite many of you putting up good numbers). I will ask that my courses not be picked for any more PGA/Euro events and will focus on creating easier courses with less demanding greens that average players will hope to find a challenge. I'll admit, my confidence is a bit shot after reading comments over the last few weeks. I'm hopeful that this tournament doesn't turn people off TGC tours and I will make sure you guys get some courses coming up that have easier greens yet still provide a bit of a challenge for you. Sorry guys. Well, I'm a webby, did not play your course, but I watched MrSour twitch and had a hoot watching that. I thought what a great challenge for the best players and enjoyed watching as the course chewed him up. I actually think that was a perfect test and exactly the kind of course that should of been played and selected.
Anyway, your post struck a chord with me, I'm currently the designer hosting the CC events. Have to admit in reading the feedback for over a week, I have not been able to step back into the designer for more than a few minutes. I was so extremely excited to host an event leading up to this week as well. I created 10 versions of the course, rookie mistake I'm sure, but I was hoping to please, Certainly not tick off the community like I have done.
It's nice to nail over 2000 plays across them all. I was initially over the moon when selected, but I'm down now and thinking it might not be worth the effort anymore.
I do thank the tours for giving me the opportunity to host an event, and when the sour taste of the feedback fades, maybe I'll get the opportunity to do so again with a future design.
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Post by TimB on Aug 4, 2015 5:55:25 GMT -5
Well, I clearly screwed this course set up again, for a second time. It was tough setting up this course as the greens were very difficult to begin with. I play tested this one much much more but I clearly missed quite a bit. I apologize that many of you aren't having fun (despite many of you putting up good numbers). I will ask that my courses not be picked for any more PGA/Euro events and will focus on creating easier courses with less demanding greens that average players will hope to find a challenge. I'll admit, my confidence is a bit shot after reading comments over the last few weeks. I'm hopeful that this tournament doesn't turn people off TGC tours and I will make sure you guys get some courses coming up that have easier greens yet still provide a bit of a challenge for you. Sorry guys. Well, I'm a webby, did not play your course, but I watched MrSour twitch and had a hoot watching that. I thought what a great challenge for the best players and enjoyed watching as the course chewed him up. I actually think that was a perfect test and exactly the kind of course that should of been played and selected.
Anyway, your post struck a chord with me, I'm currently the designer hosting the CC events. Have to admit in reading the feedback for over a week, I have not been able to step back into the designer for more than a few minutes. I was so extremely excited to host an event leading up to this week as well. I created 10 versions of the course, rookie mistake I'm sure, but I was hoping to please, Certainly not tick off the community like I have done.
It's nice to nail over 2000 plays across them all. I was initially over the moon when selected, but I'm down now and thinking it might not be worth the effort anymore.
I do thank the tours for giving me the opportunity to host an event, and when the sour taste of the feedback fades, maybe I'll get the opportunity to do so again with a future design.
I'm here from CC just reading some threads before I start my day. Sorry to burst into the PGA thread. BoomBoom, dont let the feedback get to you. I generally keep my mouth shut about the courses being played, never said anything about yours but I have read the feedback from others as it were. It wasn't your fault. The greens are tough yes, but couple that with the HB winds thats what makes it hard for us lesser folk lol. People would have scored a lot better if the winds were not so bad, having a 200 yard 2'nd shot on a par 4 doesnt allow for much room to screw up. You need to get close to the pin the score. Oddly enough the putting wasnt my downfall, my putting is my best part of the game, I was able to take a 30-40 foot putt and get it within inches of the hole for a tap in par. Thats the way I played the course, slow, methodical, conservative, hope to get a good approach shot and snag a birdie or two. It worked for me, in so much that I finished the tourney under par. I have no real complaints about the course, yes it was tough, probably too much for us in CC, but I achieved my goal. Keep at it and get back in the designer, dont let us whiners get to you lol
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Post by NCFCRulz on Aug 4, 2015 6:22:38 GMT -5
Personally I love the holes where there are giant hills off the back of them as I am smart enough to make sure I play the ball short whereas alot of the top 100 attack it for the birdie and then complain at their bogey. So I make shots on the field here and do well with these courses and I thoroughly enjoy it. The more challenging the better imo and I don't think there is any unfair pin placements here. You can make par on every hole without the pin placement coming into question. That's more than acceptable for me
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Post by mcbogga on Aug 4, 2015 7:03:58 GMT -5
Well, I clearly screwed this course set up again, for a second time. It was tough setting up this course as the greens were very difficult to begin with. I play tested this one much much more but I clearly missed quite a bit. I apologize that many of you aren't having fun (despite many of you putting up good numbers). I will ask that my courses not be picked for any more PGA/Euro events and will focus on creating easier courses with less demanding greens that average players will hope to find a challenge. I'll admit, my confidence is a bit shot after reading comments over the last few weeks. I'm hopeful that this tournament doesn't turn people off TGC tours and I will make sure you guys get some courses coming up that have easier greens yet still provide a bit of a challenge for you. Sorry guys. Well, I'm a webby, did not play your course, but I watched MrSour twitch and had a hoot watching that. I thought what a great challenge for the best players and enjoyed watching as the course chewed him up. I actually think that was a perfect test and exactly the kind of course that should of been played and selected.
Anyway, your post struck a chord with me, I'm currently the designer hosting the CC events. Have to admit in reading the feedback for over a week, I have not been able to step back into the designer for more than a few minutes. I was so extremely excited to host an event leading up to this week as well. I created 10 versions of the course, rookie mistake I'm sure, but I was hoping to please, Certainly not tick off the community like I have done.
It's nice to nail over 2000 plays across them all. I was initially over the moon when selected, but I'm down now and thinking it might not be worth the effort anymore.
I do thank the tours for giving me the opportunity to host an event, and when the sour taste of the feedback fades, maybe I'll get the opportunity to do so again with a future design.
As with any art you cannot be soft. Follow your vision and do not compromise. The tour decides what courses they want to use and they do a good job. That's all the approval you need. No great course ever has been free from controversy. In fact - it's almost nessecary for a good course. I bet that there would have been an uproar about the greens if Magbolia was not an Augusta recreation - as an example. When I made the tour version of Tobo I set out to punish two things that I thought were too easy and was getting too much reward on tour - the flop and firing blindly at pins. It worked perfectly, sent some players into fits but also though many a lesson that there might be more to the short game than lofting flops.... Actually had less controversy than I expected. So listen to the criticism and evaluate if there is anything to learn from it - but be aware most of it is just people whining about their own shortcomings. If you like your work, then all is good.
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Post by blackaces13 on Aug 4, 2015 7:14:49 GMT -5
I haven't read any comments after Canuck's, but I always say the harder the better. You're not supposed to 1-putt most greens. Look at the putts per hole of the leaders in this game for a given tournament, it is usually in the 1.3 range. 20 putt rounds are common. That is otherworldly, just unfathomable for any real world player. If you have to make the greens overly severe to get the numbers up from there then so be it. Making a 12 footer for birdie should be an accomplishment, and you should be rewarded by gaining strokes on the field for making one. It shouldn't be a routine task required to tread water. Comments are always going to skew negative. It's like those "how's my driving" stickers on trucks, I bet they don't get many callers praising the driving skills of the trucker. Full disclosure, I haven't played my first round yet this week. So of course I reserve the right to come back here in a rage about how this is the worst course ever created.
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Post by bogeyman on Aug 4, 2015 7:15:15 GMT -5
Well, I'm a webby, did not play your course, but I watched MrSour twitch and had a hoot watching that. I thought what a great challenge for the best players and enjoyed watching as the course chewed him up. I actually think that was a perfect test and exactly the kind of course that should of been played and selected.
Anyway, your post struck a chord with me, I'm currently the designer hosting the CC events. Have to admit in reading the feedback for over a week, I have not been able to step back into the designer for more than a few minutes. I was so extremely excited to host an event leading up to this week as well. I created 10 versions of the course, rookie mistake I'm sure, but I was hoping to please, Certainly not tick off the community like I have done.
It's nice to nail over 2000 plays across them all. I was initially over the moon when selected, but I'm down now and thinking it might not be worth the effort anymore.
I do thank the tours for giving me the opportunity to host an event, and when the sour taste of the feedback fades, maybe I'll get the opportunity to do so again with a future design.
As with any art you cannot be soft. Follow your vision and do not compromise. The tour decides what courses they want to use and they do a good job. That's all the approval you need. No great course ever has been free from controversy. In fact - it's almost nessecary for a good course. I bet that there would have been an uproar about the greens if Magbolia was not an Augusta recreation - as an example. When I made the tour version of Tobo I set out to punish two things that I thought were too easy and was getting too much reward on tour - the flop and firing blindly at pins. It worked perfectly, sent some players into fits but also though many a lesson that there might be more to the short game than lofting flops.... Actually had less controversy than I expected. So listen to the criticism and evaluate if there is anything to learn from it - but be aware most of it is just people whining about their own shortcomings. If you like your work, then all is good. Hear hear - well said.
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Post by mcbogga on Aug 4, 2015 8:02:38 GMT -5
I haven't read any comments after Canuck's, but I always say the harder the better. You're not supposed to 1-putt most greens. Look at the putts per hole of the leaders in this game for a given tournament, it is usually in the 1.3 range. 20 putt rounds are common. That is otherworldly, just unfathomable for any real world player. If you have to make the greens overly severe to get the numbers up from there then so be it. Making a 12 footer for birdie should be an accomplishment, and you should be rewarded by gaining strokes on the field for making one. It shouldn't be a routine task required to tread water. Comments are always going to skew negative. It's like those "how's my driving" stickers on trucks, I bet they don't get many callers praising the driving skills of the trucker. Full disclosure, I haven't played my first round yet this week. So of course I reserve the right to come back here in a rage about how this is the worst course ever created. I for one would certainly prefer the other route which is turning of the grid - would move the putting right into the sweet spot without need for ski-slope greens. The putting averages could need to come up a bit for sure from the "sim" aspect. But let's get this thread back to discussing the tournament it's supposed to. Far to common that the results are overshadowed by course discussions lately. Some great shooting by a lot of people and there will be a fresh WGC champion at the end of the week potentially...
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Post by Mark (Kram) on Aug 4, 2015 8:33:02 GMT -5
I liked the way I played this week, winds were: 12, 14, 3, 10.
66, 68, 64, 65. Nothing dazzling but consistent.
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Post by theduke21 on Aug 4, 2015 10:33:35 GMT -5
crazycanuck
When I see a top 20 player like Andi Smith shoot +41 for a tournament, I have to wonder why? The first thing that comes to mind is that he lost interest and just doesn't care anymore... It's not like he doesn't have the skill (Please feel free to correct me Andi if you read this).. This is not good.
He spat the dummy and had a sook.
I went into this tourney flying blind, played each round without having seen the course before, got my arse handed to me in the first round, with 4 three putts and a 4 putt, did I carry on like a wanker, and throw in the towel ( like Andi), f4ck no, I played the rest of the event the best I could knowing I had no hope of a top 10, 25 etc.
People piling on Canuck and saying his course is unfair, are taking the game way to seriously, LOL, for f4cks-sake get over yourselves.............
nice
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Post by SMIFFYLFC79 on Aug 4, 2015 12:15:19 GMT -5
I have no issues with how crazy sets up his courses, yes in round 1 I struggled but thought ok, 3 to go, now in round two I struggled like sin on the greens, I was missing 3-4-5 ft putts through my own doing, ok I did lose it three quarters thru rd 2, but I came back to round 3 with the thinking of some how salvaging a half decent, respectable over par score, again this was not to be, again I struggled with the putter, just could not find the hole at all, started round 4 with the full intension of shooting at least E par, again it was not to be, I had a bad week, and it had to be in a wgc didn't it?,
I have always played this game with fairness and I will continue to do so, did I give up, possibly yes, but out of frustration thru not being able to putt, which I should not have done but I did, and I apologise if this upsets some of you.
I have since played on the no aids tour I also participate in and shot 2 under par rds out of 3,
Again I had a bad week, nothing I can do about it now, I could have just gone stuff it, and not finish but I did finish as I was invited to play, ok I shot +41, so what, its a game, my interest of the game may be questioned if you so wish, but week in week out I will continue to compete, with good scores or bad scores, I would love to win every week, but that's not going to happen is it?
I struggled upon the greens, many, many others have not, does it make it a bad course cos I struggled myself, not necessarily, I just played bad.
Sorry if I have offended any of you somehow with my lousy score.
Play well all and happy golfing.
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Post by SMIFFYLFC79 on Aug 4, 2015 12:56:49 GMT -5
He spat the dummy and had a sook.
I went into this tourney flying blind, played each round without having seen the course before, got my arse handed to me in the first round, with 4 three putts and a 4 putt, did I carry on like a wanker, and throw in the towel ( like Andi), f4ck no, I played the rest of the event the best I could knowing I had no hope of a top 10, 25 etc.
People piling on Canuck and saying his course is unfair, are taking the game way to seriously, LOL, for f4cks-sake get over yourselves.............
DID NOT APRECIATE THIS COMMENT AT ALL, I PLAYED THE BEST I COULD AND I STRUGGLED, NO NEED TO BE SO OFFENSIVE.
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Post by joegolferg on Aug 4, 2015 13:21:25 GMT -5
Course isn't bad i just think people are finding it hard because the majority of pins are on massive slopes, but i do have the mention that hole 9 is ridiculous, you are forced to hit a 3 or 5 wood off the tee unless you have 10+ mph behind you on a hole that is almost 500yds and has bunkers guarding the green? come on be fair. The pin on 17th on friday is unfair, you roll 2 yds past the hole and you are saying bye bye to the ball. And i cant remeber which hole it is but there is a massive mound ON the green that is just stupid lol im sure which hole you will all know im talking about, the pin is on top of it in the thursday set up.
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Post by SmilingGoats on Aug 4, 2015 13:32:55 GMT -5
Guys...this thread is embarrassing. Let's dial down the rhetoric and act like proper gentlemen, shall we?
Consider this a warning for several of you.
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