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Post by Doyley on Jul 12, 2015 22:31:56 GMT -5
But would not the players being demoted down along with the great players being promoted up eventually give you the balance that would lower the scores for exemptions? It's only week two and there's guys that are clearly still in the wrong flight - but they're working their way up. Take this week's CC-D for example - remove the two top guys and the exemption level would have been 12-under for CC-E. That could happen next week. The week after that would likely be even closer to par. The system just needs a bit of time - way too early to write it off for the average golfer in my opinion.
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Post by Orion on Jul 13, 2015 0:29:33 GMT -5
No, I am not writing this off at all. I just wonder why these new conditions have just sprung up and what is the real purpose?
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Post by Doyley on Jul 13, 2015 1:45:09 GMT -5
No, I am not writing this off at all. I just wonder why these new conditions have just sprung up and what is the real purpose? The two new conditions? 1. 5-under or better on CC-Z is to keep that flight free of improving players - once you start shooting under par you should be ready to make the move up 2. The other change was because it seems backwards to have a higher flight with more skilled players have an easier road to a sponsor exemption than a lower flight with less skilled players - new rule makes it equal at worst
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Post by Orion on Jul 13, 2015 2:12:28 GMT -5
Well, Scott, you really threw one at me here. #2- Here you have a lower flight(CC-E) whose road is much more difficult because of the fact that they have to be within a certain number of strokes of the leading CC-A score and the road for a Higher level (CC-C) is more likely to be achieved because of the better skilled players having a more realistic chance of getting within the limits of the CC-A score, which is even easier for the CC-B player. Don't know about that one, but to just end this, because all I can do now is to agree to disagree. Am never going to see how the average guy has the same chance to get the exemption because the gap is much to great for his ability to shoot within 20 or 30 strokes of the leader of CC-A. Seems outside the realms of probability to me, but what do I know? Sorry Scott, just do not see it as a realistic possibility and am having a hard time to see the equality for an average player to meet.No, I am not writing this off at all. I just wonder why these new conditions have just sprung up and what is the real purpose? The two new conditions? 1. 5-under or better on CC-Z is to keep that flight free of improving players - once you start shooting under par you should be ready to make the move up 2. The other change was because it seems backwards to have a higher flight with more skilled players have an easier road to a sponsor exemption than a lower flight with less skilled players - new rule makes it equal at worst
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 3:02:02 GMT -5
Think you've mis-understood the new guidelines Orion. It's actually easier to earn an exemption lower down the flights now. Take the winner of each flight above and you have to be within 10 strokes of the worst score. For example,
Winner of... CC-A: -40 CC-B: -35 CC-C: -34 CC-D: -43
CC-E under the original guideline would need -33 to be promoted (CC-D's score) Under the new guidelines they would need -24 (CC-C's score).
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Post by Orion on Jul 13, 2015 3:52:07 GMT -5
Scott, I am including this quote because maybe I am not fully understanding your explanation. So, for simplicity, will just comment on a CC-E example. CC-E winning score is -25. For exemption consideration, you state that the CC-E player would need to be within 10 shots of the worst scoring leader of all flights above CC-E, which would be CC-D, -29. So, a -19 or better (lower) would receive an auto exemption and be auto entered into the next tourney at the CC-D level? If this is indeed correct, then my apologies to you, I was under the impression of having to be within 10 of the CC-A leader and that is why I kept referring to not being able to meet a 10 shot range on that level's winning score. (This is were I was using my score of -23 as not being enough for this exemption, but now I see that it would indeed be enough for the exemption, Right? I have to go at these examples very simplistic as I realize that I did not really understand the actual meaning and was somehow fixated on only CC-A. Just for my clarity before I wipe the egg from my face, and send you a box of Havana's, if in the example given, suppose CC-A had the worse winning score at -21 and the others have the current listed scores as they are now. The CC-E player would have to be at -11 or better to get the exemption and auto entry into the next Tournament at the CC-D level. If all of this is correct, and I do need your confirmation on this, then my concern is not really a concern at all. Man, I really look like a fool here right now. My apologies to you, sincerely . It finally clicked into place, but I will still ask you to confirm my above examples.
Finally saw the light and again my apologies and you can tell me how you like your eggs, I have some on my face and need to serve them to you for my ignorance.
Orion..............................
Challenge Circuit Flights B through ZTo earn an exemption you must be within 10 shots of highest (worst) scoring leader in all flights above yours. Previously it was within 10 of leader in flight immediately above yours. Ex. Flight Winning ScoreCC-A -33 CC-B -31 CC-C -39 CC-D -29 CC-E -25 CC-Z -10Exemptions given to… CC-A Top 5+ ties CC-B all scores 23-under and lower CC-C all scores 21-under and lower CC-D all scores 21-under and lower (taken from CC-B's leader) CC-E all scores 19-under and lower CC-Z all scores 15-under and lower ******new*** CC-Z players shooting 5-under or better for the tournament automatically earn CC-E card
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Post by Orion on Jul 13, 2015 3:58:59 GMT -5
Thanks Oswinner, I finally found the error of my ways and fully understand the procedure now. Simple mis read of something that is basically very simple to understand.. Not sure why it took this long. All is well on my part now. Made my apologies, case closed.
Thanks for you concern and help,
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Think you've mis-understood the new guidelines Orion. It's actually easier to earn an exemption lower down the flights now. Take the winner of each flight above and you have to be within 10 strokes of the worst score. For example, Winner of... CC-A: -40 CC-B: -35 CC-C: -34 CC-D: -43 CC-E under the original guideline would need -33 to be promoted (CC-D's score) Under the new guidelines they would need -24 (CC-C's score).
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Post by Doyley on Jul 13, 2015 8:42:55 GMT -5
No worries Orion - had me double checking things because I thought I must of missed something Remember it's also on a per week basis so as the better players move up those winning scores should start to drop on the lower flights bringing the exemption cut lines down to more reasonable targets to those flights.
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Post by Orion on Jul 13, 2015 12:25:03 GMT -5
Ok, get it. Just to clear this up for me then, you are confirming my examples in previous message as valid and correct? Also, just as a side note to all of this, would not the cycle be affected once a month with the graduates of the Q-school coming into this mix? Seems like there will always be one or more players who will end up in CC-E or D and could slightly affect some of the final scoring levels. Not too sure on how many people sign up each month to play the school and when it might start to reach it's peak. All it takes is one player to keep that lower level score much higher. Thanks for your time and explanations to help me get my head out of the clouds on this issue. I will be waiting for your confirmation as I have asked for, just for the record and my own need for that clarity. How do you like your eggs???
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No worries Orion - had me double checking things because I thought I must of missed something Remember it's also on a per week basis so as the better players move up those winning scores should start to drop on the lower flights bringing the exemption cut lines down to more reasonable targets to those flights.
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Post by Doyley on Jul 13, 2015 22:06:51 GMT -5
Your example a few posts up is correct
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 9:29:51 GMT -5
Hobble Creek looks to send a decent amount of players up from CC-Z to CC-E.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 11:43:26 GMT -5
Yeah, maybe it should have stayed 10 shots off instead of hitting -5.
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Post by Tim on Jul 15, 2015 12:28:55 GMT -5
We may need to look at this.
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Post by Mitchblue on Jul 15, 2015 16:29:50 GMT -5
Ok, get it. Just to clear this up for me then, you are confirming my examples in previous message as valid and correct? Also, just as a side note to all of this, would not the cycle be affected once a month with the graduates of the Q-school coming into this mix? Seems like there will always be one or more players who will end up in CC-E or D and could slightly affect some of the final scoring levels. Not too sure on how many people sign up each month to play the school and when it might start to reach it's peak. All it takes is one player to keep that lower level score much higher. Thanks for your time and explanations to help me get my head out of the clouds on this issue. I will be waiting for your confirmation as I have asked for, just for the record and my own need for that clarity. How do you like your eggs???
Orion..................
No worries Orion - had me double checking things because I thought I must of missed something Remember it's also on a per week basis so as the better players move up those winning scores should start to drop on the lower flights bringing the exemption cut lines down to more reasonable targets to those flights. Michael, Michael, Michael..you could have just came to me Take it easy my friend..cheers.
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Post by Orion on Jul 15, 2015 20:53:20 GMT -5
No comment.Ok, get it. Just to clear this up for me then, you are confirming my examples in previous message as valid and correct? Also, just as a side note to all of this, would not the cycle be affected once a month with the graduates of the Q-school coming into this mix? Seems like there will always be one or more players who will end up in CC-E or D and could slightly affect some of the final scoring levels. Not too sure on how many people sign up each month to play the school and when it might start to reach it's peak. All it takes is one player to keep that lower level score much higher. Thanks for your time and explanations to help me get my head out of the clouds on this issue. I will be waiting for your confirmation as I have asked for, just for the record and my own need for that clarity. How do you like your eggs???
Orion..................
Michael, Michael, Michael..you could have just came to me Take it easy my friend..cheers.
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