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Post by martbloke on Apr 22, 2021 16:10:57 GMT -5
Great change and now need to apply to slows too. Applaud them for finally seeing it as an exploit and doing something about it.
Could be better though I feel in that the more wayward misses (i.e. very fast/slow), should have a random amount of swing applied on top so you can't actually map your miss-hit and still purposely play for it once you've recalculated distances and know how much the swing is. TBH, a bit of randomness probably should be in the normal red fast/slow zones too but not a noticeable amount, very slight amount. The further from perfect you are (red zones), the greater the % of randomness applied is i.e. you have a fixed base amount of swing depending on the amount missed from perfect as per what it is now but then you have the possibility of an additional % amount of randomness on top and that % increases the further you are away. Say a 45 degree red fast by default swings 30 yards left but there is a random % of anywhere between 0-30% added on top so it could swing 30 yards on 1 shot or 39 yards on the next - a bit like the % AI difficulty variation in career between events and rounds. For an extreme very fast shot that swings 40 yards, the % randomness could be 0 - 50% so it could be 40-60 yards swing.
Who knows IRL how much their ball will hook/slice when you miss-hit a shot?
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Post by peskypeanut on Apr 22, 2021 16:13:05 GMT -5
Prediction Scores won't change I guess there will be a few more blowups, carry over water/OB will be a much more daunting prospect. I agree, on the whole, scores won’t be affected.
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Post by robn on Apr 22, 2021 16:17:34 GMT -5
So if the fasts don't go as far now as they used to, can't we just club up and still play for a fast?
Up there for thinking, down there for dancing.
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Post by Doyley on Apr 22, 2021 16:25:58 GMT -5
So if the fasts don't go as far now as they used to, can't we just club up and still play for a fast? Up there for thinking, down there for dancing. Not as accurately as before. The way the distance is calculated has changed drastically too. You now have to hit the exact spot on the fast to get a consistent distance where as prior to the change there was a large area (as large as all the grey/white area combined, if not larger) that would produce a similar distance.
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Post by matthew_titots on Apr 22, 2021 16:30:27 GMT -5
The only reason there was an influx (not many, but certainly a few more) of Xbox players inching their way into the top 20 on Tours was due to the red fast. It was/is the only way MANY Xbox players can remotely compete. Welcome back, PS4/5 Tour. I have to say I’ve never understood the complaints from XB players on this. Personally I’ve never played on XB to be able to form an opinion on the tempo difference. If it is more difficult like it seems to be, why don’t XB players just switch to PS if they want to compete at highest level?
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Post by sroel908 on Apr 22, 2021 16:35:19 GMT -5
The only reason there was an influx (not many, but certainly a few more) of Xbox players inching their way into the top 20 on Tours was due to the red fast. It was/is the only way MANY Xbox players can remotely compete. Welcome back, PS4/5 Tour. I have to say I’ve never understood the complaints from XB players on this. Personally I’ve never played on XB to be able to form an opinion on the tempo difference. If it is more difficult like it seems to be, why don’t XB players just switch to PS if they want to compete at highest level? Perhaps not everyone has the ability or resources to own multiple consoles, as well as to buy the same game twice? I play on PS4 and haven't played on an Xbox system either, but I can't imagine the solve for this issue is simply buy the other console...that's a bit ridiculous IMO.
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Post by robn on Apr 22, 2021 16:38:42 GMT -5
So if the fasts don't go as far now as they used to, can't we just club up and still play for a fast? Up there for thinking, down there for dancing. Not as accurately as before. The way the distance is calculated has changed drastically too. You now have to hit the exact spot on the fast to get a consistent distance where as prior to the change there was a large area (as large as all the grey/white area combined, if not larger) that would produce a similar distance. Ah yeah, I know. Was just semi-joking after I managed to do exactly what I said on one shot. Btw, I noticed you scored poorly at Strathlorne. Were you previewing the swing changes there or just a bad week??!
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Post by dansamp on Apr 22, 2021 16:39:05 GMT -5
The only reason there was an influx (not many, but certainly a few more) of Xbox players inching their way into the top 20 on Tours was due to the red fast. It was/is the only way MANY Xbox players can remotely compete. Welcome back, PS4/5 Tour. I have to say I’ve never understood the complaints from XB players on this. Personally I’ve never played on XB to be able to form an opinion on the tempo difference. If it is more difficult like it seems to be, why don’t XB players just switch to PS if they want to compete at highest level? Speaking as an Xbox player that's not going to switch over my reasons would be as follows: 1) the cost of buying a PS and the game again; 2) all my friends are on XB and I've been on XB for 15+ years so I'm not about to switch over to PS; and 3) I don't really have the space for another console and controllers in my tiny condo! So for those reasons combined with my competitiveness, I have hoped the game could be equal between the platforms. But I guess in the end my desire to be competitive doesn't outweigh the reasons I listed above. Clearly, the red fast was an exploit I was able to use to "level" the playing field (even though I wager red fasts themselves were easier on PS as well), and gave me a chance to move up the ranks. Will remain to be seen now if I can stay up on Plat playing for perfects. I look forward to the challenge. Haven't made a cut in 6 weeks anyways though, so maybe I can make a cut after a few demotions
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Post by hammers1man on Apr 22, 2021 16:39:30 GMT -5
The game looks much better on PC and Xbox than PS4. The framerate isn't great on my PS4 Pro. PC is definitely the best way to play this game imo.
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Post by matthew_titots on Apr 22, 2021 16:41:27 GMT -5
I have to say I’ve never understood the complaints from XB players on this. Personally I’ve never played on XB to be able to form an opinion on the tempo difference. If it is more difficult like it seems to be, why don’t XB players just switch to PS if they want to compete at highest level? Perhaps not everyone has the ability or resources to own multiple consoles, as well as to buy the same game twice? I mean, if you look at the leaderboards, you'd see that the majority of players in the higher tours were on PS consoles. That, plus the long list of discussions that have happened for years sure make it seem like there is a disparity in the swing between systems. I play on PS4 and haven't played on an Xbox system either, but I can't imagine the solve for this issue is simply buy the other console...that's a bit ridiculous IMO. No question I think all would prefer gameplay to be identical across all platforms. All I’m saying is that it’s not in the hands of the folks who run this site, so it just comes off as an excuse or complaining when there are options for folks to switch to the easiest console. Yes, I’m aware there is cost associated with that. But if someone really cared that much about an equal playing field they could do it.
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Post by sroel908 on Apr 22, 2021 16:47:07 GMT -5
Perhaps not everyone has the ability or resources to own multiple consoles, as well as to buy the same game twice? I mean, if you look at the leaderboards, you'd see that the majority of players in the higher tours were on PS consoles. That, plus the long list of discussions that have happened for years sure make it seem like there is a disparity in the swing between systems. I play on PS4 and haven't played on an Xbox system either, but I can't imagine the solve for this issue is simply buy the other console...that's a bit ridiculous IMO. No question I think all would prefer gameplay to be identical across all platforms. All I’m saying is that it’s not in the hands of the folks who run this site, so it just comes off as an excuse or complaining when there are options for folks to switch to the easiest console. Yes, I’m aware there is cost associated with that. But if someone really cared that much about an equal playing field they could do it. I understand, but there's honestly no where else to go to air any grievances about issues with the game. The devs rarely comment anywhere, and especially never on the official 2K forum. So TGC Tours is a place where Xbox users can share their frustrations with others on that console. If someone is so competitive that they need to buy a new gaming console to compete, then I suppose that's their choice. But it's not just as easy for some folks to quick drop hundreds of dollars to "get better" at a virtual representation of golf, especially when the game should play the same no matter what system you play it on.
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Amateur Golfer
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Post by LucasEatWorld on Apr 22, 2021 17:02:39 GMT -5
As a *mostly* red fast player myself, I'm 100% on board with this update. Needed to happen a long time ago, and kinda surprised they bothered addressing it this late in the game cycle, but I'm glad it happened. It'll take some time to adjust for sure, but I'm confident I'll be able to.
Now if they just fix the red slows to be equally as penalizing, and make splash/bunker shots slightly more difficult, it'd be a much more realistic SIM experience in terms of game play.
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Post by The Chef on Apr 22, 2021 17:20:20 GMT -5
Red fast player myself, apart from pitching and chipping.
I welcome the change. I just take it as learning this great game over again which I love. New game no cost. If I struggle and drop down a few leagues. So be it.
All the more fun fighting to get back again.
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Post by robn on Apr 22, 2021 17:20:53 GMT -5
I've just finished my first full round and shot a -3.
Thoughts.
1. The game is tougher.
The time has come. The song is over. Thought I had something more to say.
Wait....I lost my train of thought there.
2. Playing solely for fasts is dead in the water. But in certain situations it is still a viable shot. Interesting additional strategic element here perhaps.
3. I don't really care about the changes because I'm lethal with the short stick anyway.
4. 3 might not be true.
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Post by itsmb8 on Apr 22, 2021 17:31:28 GMT -5
This change means absolutely nothing to me because ive been playing for perfects anyways.
Looks like all the legal exploiters on the tour have to man up now and actually play the game the right way!
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