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Post by Brighttail on Sept 9, 2020 22:03:36 GMT -5
What appears the same is likely going to have different timing values, though, in that timings are calculated to 7 decimal places. This might be, I'm sure you will get back to me on that. But I can verify without a doubt from hitting balls on the practice tee that these shots all go in roughly the exact same locations. So when I hit a fast, it'll generally always hit the tractor, etc. It might be the data shows the tempo *is* varying, but it's still pretty much the same result. Gotta do it in tournament play and record what shots they were so they can look at the data and compare the shots!. They can't look at the data from a practice range. |
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Post by jtcurrent on Sept 9, 2020 22:08:25 GMT -5
What appears the same is likely going to have different timing values, though, in that timings are calculated to 7 decimal places. This might be, I'm sure you will get back to me on that. But I can verify without a doubt from hitting balls on the practice tee that these shots all go in roughly the exact same locations. So when I hit a fast, it'll generally always hit the tractor, etc. It might be the data shows the tempo *is* varying, but it's still pretty much the same result. It’s the same result for perfect isn’t it? What’s the difference? The difference is the straight line. If that changes so does the result. As it should be. |
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Post by bahnzo on Sept 9, 2020 22:09:38 GMT -5
This might be, I'm sure you will get back to me on that. But I can verify without a doubt from hitting balls on the practice tee that these shots all go in roughly the exact same locations. So when I hit a fast, it'll generally always hit the tractor, etc. It might be the data shows the tempo *is* varying, but it's still pretty much the same result. It’s the same result for perfect isn’t it? What’s the difference? The difference is the straight line. If that changes so does the result. As it should be. Sure, the swing plane is different for me, but the tempo is not. The tempo should be varied as well. Watch this video and you'll see what I mean. |
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Post by jtcurrent on Sept 9, 2020 22:23:06 GMT -5
It’s the same result for perfect isn’t it? What’s the difference? The difference is the straight line. If that changes so does the result. As it should be. Sure, the swing plane is different for me, but the tempo is not. The tempo should be varied as well. Watch this video and you'll see what I mean. I see what you’re saying but the point is your swing plane is always dead straight. I could make an argument against that, couldn’t I? If that varies, as many of ours do, so does the landing area. And the distance for fast swings is different too. You’re not completely off base here, you’re just trying to either shoot every hole you can in the game or you’re trying to create your own game. Again, nothing wrong with that but why not use what the game offers? Seems to me the most reliable outcome is perfect tempo and a straight line. So let’s get rid of that! Oh wait you seem to be able to do at least one of those so it’s ok. 😉 |
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Post by bahnzo on Sept 9, 2020 22:53:17 GMT -5
Sure, the swing plane is different for me, but the tempo is not. The tempo should be varied as well. Watch this video and you'll see what I mean. I see what you’re saying but the point is your swing plane is always dead straight. I could make an argument against that, couldn’t I? If that varies, as many of ours do, so does the landing area. And the distance for fast swings is different too. You’re not completely off base here, you’re just trying to either shoot every hole you can in the game or you’re trying to create your own game. Again, nothing wrong with that but why not use what the game offers? Seems to me the most reliable outcome is perfect tempo and a straight line. So let’s get rid of that! Oh wait you seem to be able to do at least one of those so it’s ok. 😉 I don't know what you mean by my swing plane is always dead straight. It's most certainly not. You are missing the point here....my tempo is the exact same each time w/o any variance. If it's fast, then it's one tempo, slow and it's another. And same for the perfects. I don't want that. That's not good. I mean, it might seem like it would be a good thing to hit all those perfects like that, but it's not. It's broken that the game is determining them like it is. There is no way my swing is that exact each time and that seems like a problem. I dunno, maybe I should just shut up and enjoy being able to achieve perfect swings all the time. It's coming as I practice more and more. I'm sure nobody will cry foul when I (and other mouse users) are doing that in the real tours, right? |
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Post by greyosprey on Sept 9, 2020 23:22:48 GMT -5
This "scripting" deal will be interesting because I do believe it is possible to play for a certain swing tempo - fast or slow. Hard to imagine being able to hit the same 0.000000X decimal repeatedly though.
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Post by firstblitzer on Sept 10, 2020 0:10:01 GMT -5
I see what you’re saying but the point is your swing plane is always dead straight. I could make an argument against that, couldn’t I? If that varies, as many of ours do, so does the landing area. And the distance for fast swings is different too. You’re not completely off base here, you’re just trying to either shoot every hole you can in the game or you’re trying to create your own game. Again, nothing wrong with that but why not use what the game offers? Seems to me the most reliable outcome is perfect tempo and a straight line. So let’s get rid of that! Oh wait you seem to be able to do at least one of those so it’s ok. 😉 I don't know what you mean by my swing plane is always dead straight. It's most certainly not. You are missing the point here....my tempo is the exact same each time w/o any variance. If it's fast, then it's one tempo, slow and it's another. And same for the perfects. I don't want that. That's not good. I mean, it might seem like it would be a good thing to hit all those perfects like that, but it's not. It's broken that the game is determining them like it is. There is no way my swing is that exact each time and that seems like a problem. I dunno, maybe I should just shut up and enjoy being able to achieve perfect swings all the time. It's coming as I practice more and more. I'm sure nobody will cry foul when I (and other mouse users) are doing that in the real tours, right? Or maybe, use a controller....... |
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Post by bubbsboy100. on Sept 10, 2020 2:29:55 GMT -5
I just wonder when they tested game what on earth they were thinking. Yes difficulty was needed but you have no idea when you are hitting a fast or a slow majority of the time.
By that i mean when trying to hit a perfect. Lashing through for fasts or should i say very fasts is fine, but its boring and not how the game should be. Shelf life will be short and only the look of the game will keep folk thinking "just one more round", but i fear that wont last.
Judging distance and trying to hit part of green you wanted with loft or de loft then putting it away is enough, but no logic tempo unless trying for fasts /slows makes it a mess.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2020 8:25:00 GMT -5
It’s not the same in this version because having a line that’s not straight adds more variation to ball flight. In the last version you could miss by a mile and only suffer a certain deviation from straight. I’d be disappointed if playing for fast or slow is a problem because there’s so many other variables in play. It would be saying "you must have all tempo deviations or you’re pulled"...that makes no sense to me. I think straight lines are a bigger issue. I've found it pretty difficult to have a swing line that takes you more than a yard or two off your intended line tbh. Except maybe with the Driver. Tempo is where 95% of the deviation is coming from.
As for the deliberate fast thing. It seems pretty clear to me that those people aiming for perfects have far more potential shot outcomes than those deliberately playing for fasts. Has it been looked into whether the dispersion outside the perfect area is equal to or less than the dispersion inside it?
Strikes me that playing deliberately outside the cone to avoid the dispersion that comes from trying to be inside it is an identical situation to Push/Pull isn't it?
The reason players do it (that they find it hard to consistently hit it perfect) and the justifications for it (that is just how i swing, i've found a reliable shot shape etc etc) are identical. It's just in the last game the differentiator was how straight you hit it. In this game it's the tempo. The workaround being used is the same - to deliberately "miss" in the around the same place each time.
So if push/pull was something that needed to be policed, logically deliberate fasts might be too?
Can someone use the "Thats just how I swing" claim seeing as there's a swing calibration now, if they used that swing in the calibration wouldn't that set it to be perfect for them? Curious to know what the ratio of fast/perfect/slow is in the platinum test exhibition events. |
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Post by rusteerabbit on Sept 10, 2020 9:16:26 GMT -5
I personally had a breakthrough last night with the swing. As many of you, I had no consistency with my tempo. I was either fast or slow, but rarely perfect. When playing last night, I did not look at the screen while swinging. Instead, I focused only on the controller and watched my thumb movement from back to front. By doing this, my consistency improved significantly and many of the swings were perfect or slightly slow or fast.
Up until then, I was getting very frustrated and thought the inconsistency issue was with the game (I'm on XBOX). My exercise last night proved to me that is not the case and the tempo issues were all on my mechanics. In two separate tournaments, I had a 10-stroke improvement from one day to the next just by changing this routine.
The only problem with this approach now, however, it getting the right power (as I am not watching my golfer's animation). With the improved tempo, I was still hitting it down the middle even at 101 or 102% power, so I am willing to take that hit. Partials will be tough.
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Post by Brighttail on Sept 10, 2020 9:34:44 GMT -5
I don't know what you mean by my swing plane is always dead straight. It's most certainly not. You are missing the point here....my tempo is the exact same each time w/o any variance. If it's fast, then it's one tempo, slow and it's another. And same for the perfects. I don't want that. That's not good. I mean, it might seem like it would be a good thing to hit all those perfects like that, but it's not. It's broken that the game is determining them like it is. There is no way my swing is that exact each time and that seems like a problem. I dunno, maybe I should just shut up and enjoy being able to achieve perfect swings all the time. It's coming as I practice more and more. I'm sure nobody will cry foul when I (and other mouse users) are doing that in the real tours, right? I find when I calibrate, the spot changes. Right now it is only doing this for my fast shots. My perfects are evenly spaced and the few slows I hit seeming are as well. |
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Post by jtcurrent on Sept 10, 2020 9:51:53 GMT -5
I see what you’re saying but the point is your swing plane is always dead straight. I could make an argument against that, couldn’t I? If that varies, as many of ours do, so does the landing area. And the distance for fast swings is different too. You’re not completely off base here, you’re just trying to either shoot every hole you can in the game or you’re trying to create your own game. Again, nothing wrong with that but why not use what the game offers? Seems to me the most reliable outcome is perfect tempo and a straight line. So let’s get rid of that! Oh wait you seem to be able to do at least one of those so it’s ok. 😉 I don't know what you mean by my swing plane is always dead straight. It's most certainly not. You are missing the point here....my tempo is the exact same each time w/o any variance. If it's fast, then it's one tempo, slow and it's another. And same for the perfects. I don't want that. That's not good. I mean, it might seem like it would be a good thing to hit all those perfects like that, but it's not. It's broken that the game is determining them like it is. There is no way my swing is that exact each time and that seems like a problem. I dunno, maybe I should just shut up and enjoy being able to achieve perfect swings all the time. It's coming as I practice more and more. I'm sure nobody will cry foul when I (and other mouse users) are doing that in the real tours, right? Put it this way: I wish my lines were as straight as yours.  And if you're also getting perfect a lot of the time you're going to play very well indeed...and I'll be completely jealous. I'm working on my fast swing but even that I can't always achieve and there are many variables that come into play, including whether I hit it straight or not. I'd give anything to be able to do what you're doing...it's a much more consistent way to play. |
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Post by Brighttail on Sept 10, 2020 11:51:27 GMT -5
I posted your video on the HB boards for Craig and the developers. My gut instinct is it is a visual bug because if I were hitting the same fast swing each and every time in the tour events I just played, the API would be flagging me for hitting the same shot to 7 decimals, over and over and over. The API didn't do that, so we'll see what HB says.
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Post by Brighttail on Sept 10, 2020 12:55:27 GMT -5
I don't know what you mean by my swing plane is always dead straight. It's most certainly not. You are missing the point here....my tempo is the exact same each time w/o any variance. If it's fast, then it's one tempo, slow and it's another. And same for the perfects. I don't want that. That's not good. I mean, it might seem like it would be a good thing to hit all those perfects like that, but it's not. It's broken that the game is determining them like it is. There is no way my swing is that exact each time and that seems like a problem. I dunno, maybe I should just shut up and enjoy being able to achieve perfect swings all the time. It's coming as I practice more and more. I'm sure nobody will cry foul when I (and other mouse users) are doing that in the real tours, right? Craig just responded on his boards and said they cannot replicate this on their side. All their data is showing a different shot and different spot on each of their shots. He suggested that if you feel this is an issue/bug, to go on 2k's site and file a bug report with your video. I also suggest you play the TGCTours exhibition events and let the staff here know what hole/shot it happened on so they can make sure the numbers aren't the exact same.
Bottom line is they shouldn't be if you aren't running a script. The likely hood of two shots in 18 holes matching up to 7 decimal places is mathematically impossible without an outside script running.
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Post by bahnzo on Sept 10, 2020 13:49:57 GMT -5
I don't know what you mean by my swing plane is always dead straight. It's most certainly not. You are missing the point here....my tempo is the exact same each time w/o any variance. If it's fast, then it's one tempo, slow and it's another. And same for the perfects. I don't want that. That's not good. I mean, it might seem like it would be a good thing to hit all those perfects like that, but it's not. It's broken that the game is determining them like it is. There is no way my swing is that exact each time and that seems like a problem. I dunno, maybe I should just shut up and enjoy being able to achieve perfect swings all the time. It's coming as I practice more and more. I'm sure nobody will cry foul when I (and other mouse users) are doing that in the real tours, right? Craig just responded on his boards and said they cannot replicate this on their side. All their data is showing a different shot and different spot on each of their shots. He suggested that if you feel this is an issue/bug, to go on 2k's site and file a bug report with your video. I also suggest you play the TGCTours exhibition events and let the staff here know what hole/shot it happened on so they can make sure the numbers aren't the exact same.
Bottom line is they shouldn't be if you aren't running a script. The likely hood of two shots in 18 holes matching up to 7 decimal places is mathematically impossible without an outside script running.
I've already seen the numbers from a TGCT exhibition event. While they aren't the same out to 7 decimal places, they are strikingly the same out to 3. All my perfects register as .066 and usually .0667-8-6 right around there. So accurate to 4 decimal places is pretty good in my book. All my fasts and slows exhibit this exact same behavior. I'm not sure what the numbers are, but if those are seconds, then being accurate out to 1000ths of a second surely can't be correct here. |
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And if you're also getting perfect a lot of the time you're going to play very well indeed...and I'll be completely jealous. I'm working on my fast swing but even that I can't always achieve and there are many variables that come into play, including whether I hit it straight or not. I'd give anything to be able to do what you're doing...it's a much more consistent way to play.