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Post by jord088 on Apr 22, 2020 6:29:31 GMT -5
I’m really interested in starting to design my home course, I am on PS4 and finding it really difficult to map out (angles from points to yardages etc) is there any tips to help to this? Side note: I would like to move to PC and would like a half decent pc to run it, any recommendations for a good starter pc?
Thanks
Jordan
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Post by yeltzman on Apr 22, 2020 7:58:23 GMT -5
Whats your home course.if your designing it on console i would pick out one point and do all the measurements of that point,then try to find another point for the angles not easy to do on console mapping a real course used to take me about 2-3 weeks just to get layout looking half right,Gone to pc now and let the LIDAR sort all that out,its like cheating how i used to design.
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Post by Royce on Apr 22, 2020 9:29:51 GMT -5
I design RCR's on XB1 using what Yeltzman described above as a "triangulation" method using Google Earth Pro.
I begin by locating the back of the tee box and back of the green connected by a straight line:
Once I have all 18 holes located in relation to each other I start measuring out each individual hole using a centerline:
Very tedious as you can imagine but I actually enjoy the process and you get really familiar with a course and how the angles play using this method. Google Earth Pro is essential.
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Post by jord088 on Apr 22, 2020 11:35:05 GMT -5
Whats your home course.if your designing it on console i would pick out one point and do all the measurements of that point,then try to find another point for the angles not easy to do on console mapping a real course used to take me about 2-3 weeks just to get layout looking half right,Gone to pc now and let the LIDAR sort all that out,its like cheating how i used to design. Thanks for the advice! It’s called Padeswood & Buckley in the UK. I would really like to go to PC and explore the LIDAR route I’d preferably like a laptop, what specs will run it very well without breaking the bank?
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Post by jord088 on Apr 22, 2020 11:36:40 GMT -5
I design RCR's on XB1 using what Yeltzman described above as a "triangulation" method using Google Earth Pro.
I begin by locating the back of the tee box and back of the green connected by a straight line:
Once I have all 18 holes located in relation to each other I start measuring out each individual hole using a centerline:
Very tedious as you can imagine but I actually enjoy the process and you get really familiar with a course and how the angles play using this method. Google Earth Pro is essential.
That’s awesome! That’s exactly what I was looking for! Thank you so much for the info. I will definitely give this a try. Is it best to start flat and add the slopes after?
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Post by jord088 on Apr 22, 2020 11:38:44 GMT -5
Whats your home course.if your designing it on console i would pick out one point and do all the measurements of that point,then try to find another point for the angles not easy to do on console mapping a real course used to take me about 2-3 weeks just to get layout looking half right,Gone to pc now and let the LIDAR sort all that out,its like cheating how i used to design. Is the LIDAR and mapping relatively easy to do? I did see there was a video posted with a tutorial but am unable to view it as it’s a private video.
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Post by jord088 on Apr 22, 2020 11:51:30 GMT -5
I design RCR's on XB1 using what Yeltzman described above as a "triangulation" method using Google Earth Pro.
I begin by locating the back of the tee box and back of the green connected by a straight line:
Once I have all 18 holes located in relation to each other I start measuring out each individual hole using a centerline:
Very tedious as you can imagine but I actually enjoy the process and you get really familiar with a course and how the angles play using this method. Google Earth Pro is essential.
How do you set your measuring tool 90 degrees to your starting line? Or is it just guess work? Thanks
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Post by Royce on Apr 22, 2020 12:01:19 GMT -5
I design RCR's on XB1 using what Yeltzman described above as a "triangulation" method using Google Earth Pro.
I begin by locating the back of the tee box and back of the green connected by a straight line:
Once I have all 18 holes located in relation to each other I start measuring out each individual hole using a centerline:
Very tedious as you can imagine but I actually enjoy the process and you get really familiar with a course and how the angles play using this method. Google Earth Pro is essential.
How do you set your measuring tool 90 degrees to your starting line? Or is it just guess work? Thanks
Great question, I actually place a house down on the centerline to use as a guide to create the 90 degree angle.
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Post by jord088 on Apr 22, 2020 12:07:18 GMT -5
How do you set your measuring tool 90 degrees to your starting line? Or is it just guess work? Thanks
Great question, I actually place a house down on the centerline to use as a guide to create the 90 degree angle.
Ahhhh! Amazing, thank you so much!
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Post by yeltzman on Apr 22, 2020 12:46:34 GMT -5
Looking at the DEFRA website it seems that Golf Course misses out on Lidar data by one box,i am assuming in on the english/welsh border,i have only really found good data courses close to the coast,but i am no expert at all on it and it seems there are different ways to construct it on Lidar but its all above my head.
I have found you still have to do alot of work in the designer to make it really playable with LIDAR,but the time it saves giving you the layout of the plot or even the course at times just saves weeks of work.Downside i have a very poor laptop and due to course file sizes you can't add as much as you want.Of Course others may disagree with this but its due to the equipment i am using,but with me doing links courses i just get by.
PS if you do start to design on PS4 just make sure you save very often,nothing worst than 1-2 hours work being lost due to a crash,when you do something you like save it.
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Post by jord088 on Apr 22, 2020 16:14:12 GMT -5
Looking at the DEFRA website it seems that Golf Course misses out on Lidar data by one box,i am assuming in on the english/welsh border,i have only really found good data courses close to the coast,but i am no expert at all on it and it seems there are different ways to construct it on Lidar but its all above my head. I have found you still have to do alot of work in the designer to make it really playable with LIDAR,but the time it saves giving you the layout of the plot or even the course at times just saves weeks of work.Downside i have a very poor laptop and due to course file sizes you can't add as much as you want.Of Course others may disagree with this but its due to the equipment i am using,but with me doing links courses i just get by. PS if you do start to design on PS4 just make sure you save very often,nothing worst than 1-2 hours work being lost due to a crash,when you do something you like save it. Thanks mate, I assumed there would still be a lot of work but even just being able to trace the outline like you say would shave hours off just laying it out!
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Post by yeltzman on Apr 22, 2020 16:36:33 GMT -5
I will add your only designing a local course,So 99.9% of players who would play it will have no idea of the layout,it is not like an augusta where most players know most holes.So just do your best make it playable and in the end your designing it for yourself,just take your time and enjoy the process and do a job your happy with, you will never get a course perfect how blending,bunkers firmness etc is done in game just make the best version you can,and i hope you have plenty of patience.
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Post by jord088 on Apr 22, 2020 17:45:20 GMT -5
I will add your only designing a local course,So 99.9% of players who would play it will have no idea of the layout,it is not like an augusta where most players know most holes.So just do your best make it playable and in the end your designing it for yourself,just take your time and enjoy the process and do a job your happy with, you will never get a course perfect how blending,bunkers firmness etc is done in game just make the best version you can,and i hope you have plenty of patience. Yes it’s more for my own personal satisfaction! Hoping to play it and feel somewhat like I’m actually playing will be an awesome feeling.
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Post by sandsaver01 on Apr 23, 2020 6:48:15 GMT -5
Looking at the DEFRA website it seems that Golf Course misses out on Lidar data by one box,i am assuming in on the english/welsh border,i have only really found good data courses close to the coast,but i am no expert at all on it and it seems there are different ways to construct it on Lidar but its all above my head. I have found you still have to do alot of work in the designer to make it really playable with LIDAR,but the time it saves giving you the layout of the plot or even the course at times just saves weeks of work.Downside i have a very poor laptop and due to course file sizes you can't add as much as you want.Of Course others may disagree with this but its due to the equipment i am using,but with me doing links courses i just get by. PS if you do start to design on PS4 just make sure you save very often,nothing worst than 1-2 hours work being lost due to a crash,when you do something you like save it. Yeltzman I must disagree a bit about your statement above. Yes if one does a Lidar course there is a lot of work to be done after importing the lidar and OSM to build the course file, but at least for me very little has to be done involving the terrain IF the Lidar data is good. Sure there will be some artifacts, and some small alignment issues on green edges, but not that many on the courses I have done. If the Lidar is not so good it is a different story - I had to abandon Victoria National because the data was so bumpy it would have taken many hours to smooth it out and that kind of defeats the purpose of Lidar.
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Post by yeltzman on Apr 23, 2020 7:00:18 GMT -5
It all depends on the course and the terrain,Now i am talking about Pot bunkers which are not possible in game,How the terrain is generated with the pots if there close to greens or Hillocks or Slopes really effects the lidar bad i have found.If a Bunker is close to a green the blending eats instead onto the green,classic example here the 10th hole at hillside.Don't think i have ever questioned the terrain in Lidar,on Royal cinque ports i said it was impossible how /lidar created the terrrain and slopes to ever create in the designer plus even better there had a course planner to double check everything out but the data was from 2019 so i think it goes to show how much work you have to do is really how good the data is. It all depends on the data and the course i have always wondered how lidar does the greens so good,but the tee boxes mostly are all over the place. Finished version,took as long as the old way of designing. To me this picture shows how impressive Lidar is,its not just the contouring around the greens which saves all the time,its the surrounds what is generated just which gives the course a great feel (of course the correct lighting helps as well).
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