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Post by ezzinomilonga on Feb 5, 2020 9:20:35 GMT -5
Impressive list Ezzino! I am a little unclear on the * scoring; is * the best, or ****? you know, this thing of the stars is really stupid. I realized it shortly after i posted, but it was too late and i'm too lazy to cancel those stars. Anyway, 4 stars are higher, but is not about better or best, here, for me. It was to show just some kind of preference, or some kind of personal "urgency", maybe. Often a course has 4 stars cause i love the designer (Simpson, Raynor&Co, Alison, Tillinghast, Nicklaus, Player, Ross, Trent Jones Sr, Dye and, sometimes, Coore&Crenshaw are my favorites), sometimes cause i played the course in other games and i love it (as for Atlanta, that has some of my preferred par 3s, or TPC Louisiana, that is nothing exceptional after all, but i love it just cause is the course i used to learn how to play TW2013 and, definitely, how and why to fall in love with golf). But mine is a really too long list to be useful, honestly i realized it only when i counted the courses. My idea was to indicate 40-50 courses, but..the truth is they are simply too much. And, of course, i know just a minority of the courses from all over the world. I'm sure i forgot who knows how much great courses or designers. No counting all the Australian courses, just to say. But something i was curious about is..the Lidar data are generally available even in places like South Africa, Oceania and Asia? Cause something i realized, working on the various lists of courses and reading here and there, is that Asia (China, Korea, Malaysia, Middle East especially) is becoming the place where the best newest courses are built and the best designers are involved. Places like Mission Hills in China, for example, are absurd and impressive megastructures and i'm pretty sure that in some of these places must be some great, fantastic course. My intention is to work on courses from these places, when i'll learn enough about the process to design courses. I wish to check also the italian course in which the next Ryder Cup will be played (now i don't remember if is the GC of Milano or another one), in Italy there is some very interesting course, one of the best is probably one of the courses of the sicilian Donnafugata Resort. I'll do it, soon or later. Today i wish to check a rendition i found of Sleepy Hollow. Is from a designer i don't know..so i havr not idea of what i'll find. I'm very curious..i'll report here how it plays. Yesterday i checked a pair of renditions of The Country Club, One made by Josh Nezat (the same who did the perfect Winged Foot West, impressively not Lidar), but is a test version with the holes perfectly shaped but it misses trees, water hazards and sculpting, so is unplayable. Unfortunately, it seems also he abandoned the project months ago. There is another test version made by Dwight Hall, the guy who release a lot of lidar courses but often with just a single set of pins. I hope in some day to recover my delay and to report all the new courses we have, then i'll restart to check them. In my papersheet i have almost 50 new course to add to the list, so i think we already reached easily 700 real courses in game. Obviusly i still need to check and verify them..and this will be another story
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Post by sandsaver01 on Feb 5, 2020 11:53:09 GMT -5
But something i was curious about is..the Lidar data are generally available even in places like South Africa, Oceania and Asia? I believe that Lidar data are available in someplaces. I know our English designers have used some from the UK. I do not think there is much in Australia. I know nothing about how to access this non-USA data or if it is in a format that is usable in Chad's tool. Maybe someone who reads this can inform us.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2020 12:08:58 GMT -5
But something i was curious about is..the Lidar data are generally available even in places like South Africa, Oceania and Asia? I believe that Lidar data are available in someplaces. I know our English designers have used some from the UK. I do not think there is much in Australia. I know nothing about how to access this non-USA data or if it is in a format that is usable in Chad's tool. Maybe someone who reads this can inform us. www.usna.edu/Users/oceano/pguth/md_help/html/gis_country_sites.htmFor Australia, I would try this: elevation.fsdf.org.au/
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Feb 5, 2020 13:34:29 GMT -5
Thank you for the answers guys. In short, no China (and the majority of Asia) or South Africa. Well..it could be worst Anyway..i checked Sleepy Hollow. Is not the CC, is the golf course, in Ohio, made by Stanley Thompson . A Lidar one i think, pretty accurate, but some tree (around the fairway but almost never actually in play) is missing and there is just one pin position..with some issue on at least a pair of them (yellow slopes). I found other real courses to check, if the weather is not too bad to use internet, tonight (or tomorrow at worst) i hope to recover all my delay and to add every remaining course to the list..then i'll restart strictly to check courses. I started also a list of all the holes i recognize as interesting in terms of design, creating a database of pictures. Something i hope will be useful to create courses, when i'll be ready. The final goal is to be good and prepared enough to produce a solid fictional course every 3 qualitative real courses. I just wish to have more time..but between work and real life is not so easy. (it seems i should also re-learn how to play, but i have really not the time to do this, right now, so..who cares?)
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Post by hoosierhoops24 on Feb 5, 2020 16:10:46 GMT -5
Just wondering. I see under TPC San Antonio that it’s listed as being unable to find the EPSG. The EPSG should be 26914. It’s listed on TNRIS which is the data hub for the state of Texas. In case anyone was interested in pursuing this project that is.
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Post by hoosierhoops24 on Feb 5, 2020 16:12:22 GMT -5
As a follow up to my previous post, I should note that the most recent lidar data available right now is from 2010. That could be a deal breaker.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Feb 5, 2020 21:40:36 GMT -5
We can probably delete Inverness Club from the list. I noticed Craig Frey (same guy of Whistling Straits and the not lidar of Pine Valley) released it weeks ago!! I'm going to test it, but considering the designer, i'm optimistic. (i suspect this guy likes bunkers ) EDIT : I checked it. A great course, a great work. Is not a lidar and it shows the course as it was looking before the HUGE renovation works ended in 2018. To be honest has been a nightmare to find some proper image of the layout. Now it would be beautiful to have the course post-restoration, cause in fact the architect (Andrew Green) tried to restore the original Donald Ross design and (most imoortant) routing, "ruined" by the Fazios (This attitude is one of the reasons why i don't like so much Tom, even if i perfectly know he is a great architect. 45 and 20 years before him and his father George, Tillinghast first and then Wilson, worked on this course, but both of them recognized immediately that the course was a gem as it was..and for this reason they changed very little, bunkering (mainly Tilly) and various details..Wilson increased also the yardage until the 7000 yards, keeping the routing untouched. Fazios no. They were too good to stay humble ) I'm joking, but the restored routing looks beautiful. I hope that there is a Lidar post 2018 available, cause this course really deserves.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Feb 5, 2020 22:29:46 GMT -5
As a follow up to my previous post, I should note that the most recent lidar data available right now is from 2010. That could be a deal breaker. It could be a good issue, mate. I'm not totally sure about this, cause i have not the time to verify it right now, but if i'm right the course opened exactly the same year, so the Lidar data could be no good/totally accurate.
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Post by sandsaver01 on Mar 1, 2020 10:44:43 GMT -5
Just an update on Lidar courses, since i am looking for a new project. I have investigated several possibilities, and come up short so far. Ezzino's request for the Atlanta AC Highlands has 2006 Lidar which i was trying to use but it is unclassified so no go. Southern Hills championship probably has decent Lidar, but all the OSM options are so blurry you wind up guessing about drawing the holes. I will continue looking.
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Post by Bearforlife73 on Mar 2, 2020 8:34:29 GMT -5
Hey man if you want a new project trinity forest is a beautiful course that needs a lidar version to best capture the courses beautiful ness
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Post by sandsaver01 on Mar 2, 2020 9:38:47 GMT -5
Hey man if you want a new project trinity forest is a beautiful course that needs a lidar version to best capture the courses beautiful ness There have been discussions about Trinity Forest on the forums since 2018 TJ. As I read through them, it appears that there is no Lidar yet available for the course but the data has been taken and probably will be available at TNM at some point. I know hoosierhoops24 has expressed some interest in doing it when the data is available, but now that the Byron Nelson is no longer going to be there maybe he changed his mind.
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Post by Bearforlife73 on Mar 2, 2020 11:06:55 GMT -5
I want to do an rcr of it but I’m on PlayStation and I can’t capture trinity in the way that I want
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Post by Bearforlife73 on Mar 2, 2020 11:07:13 GMT -5
I want to do an rcr of it but I’m on PlayStation and I can’t capture trinity in the way that I want
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Post by scoll3 on Mar 2, 2020 20:28:50 GMT -5
I previously mapped Trinity Forest in OSM for hoosierhoops24 to do in the future. Once the new Dallas LiDAR comes out the course will be ready to do. Not sure if he still wants to do it or not, however, given the tournament is moving away after this year.
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