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Post by lessthanbread on Dec 29, 2019 11:19:33 GMT -5
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Post by Davidius74 on Dec 29, 2019 11:30:28 GMT -5
Who cares about official objects that could potential create legal issues. Remove them altogether from the game. I think we can all agree that having more of a selection of generic objects for the designer to create more unique courses is better then having anything official on the tour etc.
HB should just make a new game without all the official courses and let us create our own fictional courses with so many more objects. Let the themes only serve to have the base ground layer a certain way and backdrops but allow all plants/trees/rocks to be global as the world is diverse and not every tropical region has palms, not all deserts have cactus or alpine regions have pines etc. So many designers have had to "settle" on a theme because it is the one that closest resembles what they want even though not all trees and plants are in that them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2019 11:40:27 GMT -5
As cool as this is, I didn't even download the .zip from Chad because I kinda knew there was no way this was going to fly. We all know that HB has done literally nothing for us for over a year now, but when it comes to finding time to ban users from their forums for telling the truth or putting ****** over course names, they are on top of it. They spend time on the things that seem to upset people, rather than time on things that, oh I don't know, might IMPROVE the game. Total class.
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Post by inflames47 on Dec 29, 2019 11:55:23 GMT -5
Shaun, or any other HB employees that will most likely be reading this in the next couple days, I am done biting my tongue. I have been a loyal backer of this game and have bent over backwards to pump the tires of this TGC 2019. Through streams and tutorials that have literally been seen over 100,000 times, myself (and other awesome TGC 2019 streamers and youtubers) have sold this game for you through their content and course designs, while you haven't given us much more than an update on the future of this game or this franchise. Your interaction with the community is an absolute embarrassment and how you treat your hardcore fanbase is just appalling, but you can get away with it because you are the only golf game on the market. All we are asking for is something new and fresh for the designer. I understand the potential legal issues, but why can't you just remove those objects and release the new plants and terrain combos as their own separate themes? I know nothing about making a video game, but I feel like this wouldn't take a ton of time to do as a service to your fan base. But you aren't going to. Really sad. This about sums it up but it goes to deaf ears.
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Post by inflames47 on Dec 29, 2019 11:59:33 GMT -5
Who cares about official objects that could potential create legal issues. Remove them altogether from the game. I think we can all agree that having more of a selection of generic objects for the designer to create more unique courses is better then having anything official on the tour etc. HB should just make a new game without all the official courses and let us create our own fictional courses with so many more objects. Let the themes only serve to have the base ground layer a certain way and backdrops but allow all plants/trees/rocks to be global as the world is diverse and not every tropical region has palms, not all deserts have cactus or alpine regions have pines etc. So many designers have had to "settle" on a theme because it is the one that closest resembles what they want even though not all trees and plants are in that them. Basically the premise of steam workshop..but that doesn't help the console players
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Dec 29, 2019 12:34:48 GMT -5
Well, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but HB is aware of this and looks like they will most likely be patching this (my guess is the legal issues surrounding the tournament objects). HB Shaun told me in a PM that he recommends not to publish anything with the new objects or "themes" I've been PM'ing with HB Shaun asking (pleading) for at the very least that they could remove those potentially troubling objects and release the new tree/bush combos as their own themes (you know, since they will already be patching this, why not do this relatively small thing for a group of dedicated designers who build amazing courses to sell your game). I was told that they already released all the objects they could in the last update (apparently 15 or so sheds was all they could release?), but there are "other restrictions on the number of items of each type that can be available in-game in each of the themes" (which makes no sense if you just remove the legal-trouble objects. Also I was told that this was "not something we will be making further changes to for 2019". Shaun, or any other HB employees that will most likely be reading this in the next couple days, I am done biting my tongue. I have been a loyal backer of this game and have bent over backwards to pump the tires of this TGC 2019. Through streams and tutorials that have literally been seen over 100,000 times, myself (and other awesome TGC 2019 streamers and youtubers) have sold this game for you through their content and course designs, while you haven't given us much more than an update on the future of this game or this franchise. Your interaction with the community is an absolute embarrassment and how you treat your hardcore fanbase is just appalling, but you can get away with it because you are the only golf game on the market. All we are asking for is something new and fresh for the designer. I understand the potential legal issues, but why can't you just remove those objects and release the new plants and terrain combos as their own separate themes? I know nothing about making a video game, but I feel like this wouldn't take a ton of time to do as a service to your fan base. But you aren't going to. Really sad. Your spot on. It's frustrating whatever ball gag that HB has on themselves. I think 2K has to push updates out for this game but hell we only had like 3. For a $50 game and no support/communication after 4 months is pretty piss poor.
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Post by nevadaballin on Dec 29, 2019 13:37:44 GMT -5
We miss King Kyne. He would have given the support and communication we deserve from HB.
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Post by LocoOnTheSoco on Dec 29, 2019 13:39:11 GMT -5
Console designers be like:
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2019 13:48:11 GMT -5
Who cares about official objects that could potential create legal issues. Remove them altogether from the game. I think we can all agree that having more of a selection of generic objects for the designer to create more unique courses is better then having anything official on the tour etc. HB should just make a new game without all the official courses and let us create our own fictional courses with so many more objects. Let the themes only serve to have the base ground layer a certain way and backdrops but allow all plants/trees/rocks to be global as the world is diverse and not every tropical region has palms, not all deserts have cactus or alpine regions have pines etc. So many designers have had to "settle" on a theme because it is the one that closest resembles what they want even though not all trees and plants are in that them. This is not true for the vast majority that is potential buyers of golf games. The PGA title, licensed courses etc. is very important for the vast majority who want to play a game where they take on the role as a golfer on the top golf tours on the big events, on the famous courses they see on TV. The vast majority of players are not online-players, but players playing single-player career/tour mode. HB/2K must have realised this as they got hold on the PGA license - and future editions of the game will focus much more on the career mode for casual players.
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Dec 29, 2019 13:52:25 GMT -5
LULZ
I figured Chad would be able to break into course design/files once he unveiled the LiDAR tool. Just confirms the sad truth of HB.
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Post by Davidius74 on Dec 29, 2019 14:19:07 GMT -5
Who cares about official objects that could potential create legal issues. Remove them altogether from the game. I think we can all agree that having more of a selection of generic objects for the designer to create more unique courses is better then having anything official on the tour etc. HB should just make a new game without all the official courses and let us create our own fictional courses with so many more objects. Let the themes only serve to have the base ground layer a certain way and backdrops but allow all plants/trees/rocks to be global as the world is diverse and not every tropical region has palms, not all deserts have cactus or alpine regions have pines etc. So many designers have had to "settle" on a theme because it is the one that closest resembles what they want even though not all trees and plants are in that them. This is not true for the vast majority that is potential buyers of golf games. The PGA title, licensed courses etc. is very important for the vast majority who want to play a game where they take on the role as a golfer on the top golf tours on the big events, on the famous courses they see on TV. The vast majority of players are not online-players, but players playing single-player career/tour mode. HB/2K must have realised this as they got hold on the PGA license - and future editions of the game will focus much more on the career mode for casual players. But HB has gone about deleting so many official courses anyway as they lost the licenses to said courses. I don't have PS Plus so can't play online against others but can compete still in the society events and play submitted courses, even submitting my own.
The PGA title might bring in a number of people to play the game but the career mode gets pretty stale pretty quickly as it is easy to win every event by a huge number of shots. Anyone who is still playing the game after a year has not even touched career mode for at least 6-8 months and are playing in the various societies so therefore the majority of people are playing online to some degree. Heck, anyone signed up to TGCTOURS is playing 'online' and with so many other societies out there I would dare say that at least 90% of people that play the game regularly are a member one or more societies so your point is not valid.
As designers, we would forego all the licensing stuff just to have a bit more variation for our courses to make them more unique. Now I only play on console so am not able to use these themes anyway but the designer is the reason I got this game as I am sure most people have.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2019 14:29:21 GMT -5
This is not true for the vast majority that is potential buyers of golf games. The PGA title, licensed courses etc. is very important for the vast majority who want to play a game where they take on the role as a golfer on the top golf tours on the big events, on the famous courses they see on TV. The vast majority of players are not online-players, but players playing single-player career/tour mode. HB/2K must have realised this as they got hold on the PGA license - and future editions of the game will focus much more on the career mode for casual players. But HB has gone about deleting so many official courses anyway as they lost the licenses to said courses. I don't have PS Plus so can't play online against others but can compete still in the society events and play submitted courses, even submitting my own.
The PGA title might bring in a number of people to play the game but the career mode gets pretty stale pretty quickly as it is easy to win every event by a huge number of shots. Anyone who is still playing the game after a year has not even touched career mode for at least 6-8 months and are playing in the various societies so therefore the majority of people are playing online to some degree. Heck, anyone signed up to TGCTOURS is playing 'online' and with so many other societies out there I would dare say that at least 90% of people that play the game regularly are a member one or more societies so your point is not valid.
As designers, we would forego all the licensing stuff just to have a bit more variation for our courses to make them more unique. Now I only play on console so am not able to use these themes anyway but the designer is the reason I got this game as I am sure most people have.
The only course deleted and censored are ANGC - and ANGC are known for C&D when it comes to recreations in golf games. I would guess that they want a deal with ANGC to include the course and masters - but it is a financial question, and we will not see that for TGC 2019, but perhaps for later editions of the game. The vast majority who buys this games do not spend hundred of hours on it. For HB/2K - it does not matter how many hours people play the game, but how many copies they sell. Some want a quick tour-mode to play the big events, likely at a time where the big events unfold on the TV-screen. Others want a more in-depth career mode. And a minority want a good online game. Consider this: if one million buys the game, how many of those are those hundreds that are playing TGC tours?
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Post by jwtexan on Dec 29, 2019 14:30:23 GMT -5
Hide this. Hide it now and hide it deep. No one listened...
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Post by XJ_Jagman on Dec 29, 2019 15:16:59 GMT -5
chadgolf first thing to say, you are my hero. Frickin' brilliant. I do love how HB has ignored the community until this moment. Not one single patch for twelve months ever since the infamous "12 Golf Sheds for Christmas" moment. BUT NOW, they've mentioned patching the game (to take away something that is already part of the game) because someone was smart enough to open Pandora's Box?!?! As a result of Chad's brilliance, it is blatantly obvious that HB "could" provide content the community has been screaming about for months/years rather quickly. The company just chooses to ignore our pleas. And with that said, I'm not sure how to feel about them at this moment. Oh wait, yes I am "Terry Emoji."
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Post by Oscar C on Dec 29, 2019 15:37:06 GMT -5
How weak of HB Shaun to reach out to one of our community and try and smooth it over with threats about publishing licensed content.
Shaun if YOUR team were clever enough to create a game that the public couldn’t pull apart to improve the product you wouldn’t have to worry about these kinds of issues popping up.
Again it shows that not only is this community more capable of using the tools they are also more than capable of using the detailed files to improve YOUR product.
I don’t know about anyone else but I can easily do without a golf game in my life so TGC 20?? Is most definitely not compulsory for me on 2 platforms mind you.
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