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Post by wadey1801 on Dec 5, 2019 6:21:06 GMT -5
I think the course rangers need a kick up the arse for picking such crap How very constructive! I'm sure you hate all courses where you can't shoot well all the time and require no thought. Just point and click. I don't see you volunteering your time as a ranger. We're not the scheduler. Pretty simple solution to be honest... Don't play if you don't like it. I strugle most weeks but I'd like to enjoy my rounds in the process. The recent crop of courses have been somewhat iffy at best. I wouldn't have the time to be a ranger but I'd certainly have a go at being a course selector. I run TaylorMade World Tour on PS4 and hardly have any complaints about courses I choose on there.
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Post by CuseHokie on Dec 5, 2019 6:29:45 GMT -5
How very constructive! I'm sure you hate all courses where you can't shoot well all the time and require no thought. Just point and click. I don't see you volunteering your time as a ranger. We're not the scheduler. Pretty simple solution to be honest... Don't play if you don't like it. I strugle most weeks but I'd like to enjoy my rounds in the process. The recent crop of courses have been somewhat iffy at best. I wouldn't have the time to be a ranger but I'd certainly have a go at being a course selector. I run TaylorMade World Tour on PS4 and hardly have any complaints about courses I choose on there. You’re going to need to call the ghostbusters and have them cross the streams to break through the wall of cronyism here. I think it’s a great idea but they always seem to reject new volunteering ideas to solve what we view are gaps in the system. Status quo is easier. 🤷🏼♂️
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Post by humanecentipede on Dec 5, 2019 7:49:44 GMT -5
Final round, bogeyed number one after deciding to lay up before the hazard, bad mistake. Five birdies on that side and a horrible par on one of the 5s (so even par on the 5s on that side). Came out hot on the back side, jk bogeyed number 10 after missing a 3 ft putt for par...so -3 thru 10. Salvaged the round by scoring eight straight birdies on the final eight holes for an -11. Six way tie for 6th on PS4 at -39. Really wish I could take one or two of those putts again, but that’s the way she goes.
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Post by Generic_Casual on Dec 5, 2019 23:16:16 GMT -5
I'd like to say that the smarter I try and play the shittier I do. I usually try and ALWAYS be super aggressive and it works. Playing safe is NOT the way to go for me and it shows.
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Post by fadgewacker on Dec 6, 2019 1:45:50 GMT -5
I'd like to say that the smarter I try and play the shittier I do. I usually try and ALWAYS be super aggressive and it works. Playing safe is NOT the way to go for me and it shows. Going for it in R3 / R4 wasn’t an option for me the way the course was set up mate, not for me anyway.
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Post by b101 on Dec 6, 2019 3:02:38 GMT -5
As an outsider (bar having designed two of the courses you've just played - Greenstone and Olkham, which are definitely not US Open style venues...), I can't see what more variety you could want from a course selection point of view (can't comment on conditions). In the last ten weeks:
Copper Dunes - 7600, very scoreable. -57 wins. RTJ Ross Bridge - 8192, tough. -49 wins. Greenstone River - 6750, scoreable but par 69. -49 wins / Omalara - 7300, very scoreable, -62 wins Bar Harbor Maine - 6913, par 70. -51 wins. Fabled Haven, 7167, scoreable. -56 wins. Lone Red Maple, 7700, US Open style course. -52 wins. Amaryllis, 6893, very scoreable. -61 wins. Americana, 7450, US Open style course. -47 wins. Old Olkham, 7395, scoreable. -56 wins.
Now Clearwater, which is very tough.
Ok, you've had a run of a few tough courses and Olkham needed wind to make it interesting, but if you go back over ten weeks, you have nearly every theme, an RCR, tough courses, shorter courses, rugged/natural courses, more manicured courses, courses where the greens defend, courses where the tee shots/length/accuracy defend. I think Dale's done a damn good job of giving you variety.
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Post by fadgewacker on Dec 6, 2019 3:08:43 GMT -5
Absolutely no issue with the variety of course, nor am I massively vocal over the molestation of conditions, but I personally believe it is that which is causing the “sickening” of folk.
When you couple that with some of the pins on mounds we've been getting, there is only ever going to be one kind of winner, and that's the one who can most confidently thread the needle, consistently, over 72 holes.
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Dec 6, 2019 5:40:25 GMT -5
there is only ever going to be one kind of winner, and that's the one who can most confidently thread the needle, consistently, over 72 holes. Which is precisely why looking at the winning score as a measure of difficulty or how well it's been set up...is totally pointless.
There will always be 6-10 guys that can thread that needle and score almost regardless of conditions. Their experience bares no resemblance to the experience of the rest of us.
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Post by fadgewacker on Dec 6, 2019 6:51:58 GMT -5
there is only ever going to be one kind of winner, and that's the one who can most confidently thread the needle, consistently, over 72 holes. Which is precisely why looking at the winning score as a measure of difficulty or how well it's been set up...is totally pointless.
There will always be 6-10 guys that can thread that needle and score almost regardless of conditions. Their experience bares no resemblance to the experience of the rest of us.
Absolutely. Those 6-10 will more than likely still be there at the top, were molehill pins and VF/VF telltubbyland greens employed much less. At least choosing courses with more natural green complexes, and playing them as the designer intended them to be played, would give those of us that do wander somewhat a few more chances at makeable putts and a more enjoyable experience while we continue to lose. Don't get me wrong, I'm not moaning and saying "it's too hard... I can't do it"... because I can (to a point), I'm just getting a bit disinterested with artificial difficulty being added on top of artificial difficulty in order to (presumably) try to keep a lid on scores. I might be in a minority here, but I'd far rather play some nice RCRs / natural courses and be rewarded for my shotmaking, who knows, maybe have a bit more of a chance on a purple patch kinda weekend, instead of feeling like at every opportunity I'm about to be rolled over and bummed by the game for the slightest push / pull. If that results in higher winning scores, and I end up further from the top, then so be it, but at least I'll have enjoyed my time playing, and I can continue to measure myself against the people that I wish to.
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Post by Ray on Dec 6, 2019 7:24:01 GMT -5
Could always remove the advantage the flickers have, as well as the disadvantage XB and to a lesser extent PC have with tempo by making everyone play Pro clubs.
Nah... who wants a level playing field and more realistic scoring...
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Post by unclevirt on Dec 6, 2019 8:21:42 GMT -5
Could always remove the advantage the flickers have, as well as the disadvantage XB and to a lesser extent PC have with tempo by making everyone play Pro clubs. Nah... who wants a level playing field and more realistic scoring... But but....don't make me sacrifice distance Ray. And I'm on PC. There are definitely a lot of things that can cause tempo issues with PC but I think they are mostly controllable or can be controlled if you know what you are doing...like keeping your mousepad clean, having a good enough rig to keep your frames from dropping mid swing....that kind of stuff. I don't think you can do that with XBOX. Anyways....don't make me sacrifice distance....my ego can't take it.....:/
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Post by fadgewacker on Dec 6, 2019 8:33:07 GMT -5
Could always remove the advantage the flickers have, as well as the disadvantage XB and to a lesser extent PC have with tempo by making everyone play Pro clubs. Nah... who wants a level playing field and more realistic scoring... But but....don't make me sacrifice distance Ray. And I'm on PC. There are definitely a lot of things that can cause tempo issues with PC but I think they are mostly controllable or can be controlled if you know what you are doing...like keeping your mousepad clean, having a good enough rig to keep your frames from dropping mid swing....that kind of stuff. I don't think you can do that with XBOX. Anyways....don't make me sacrifice distance....my ego can't take it.....:/ I’m at the point right now that I honestly think that for the integrity of the tours, it might be best to go Pro. Not sure how engaging I’d find the reduced challenge of the swing vs the better spread of competition but I’m really at the point now where it’s the only viable way forward, as HB aren’t doing anything with this iteration of master swing. Tough one.
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Post by ohheycat on Dec 6, 2019 8:44:21 GMT -5
Round and round and round we go
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Post by unclevirt on Dec 6, 2019 9:14:18 GMT -5
But but....don't make me sacrifice distance Ray. And I'm on PC. There are definitely a lot of things that can cause tempo issues with PC but I think they are mostly controllable or can be controlled if you know what you are doing...like keeping your mousepad clean, having a good enough rig to keep your frames from dropping mid swing....that kind of stuff. I don't think you can do that with XBOX. Anyways....don't make me sacrifice distance....my ego can't take it.....:/ I’m at the point right now that I honestly think that for the integrity of the tours, it might be best to go Pro. Not sure how engaging I’d find the reduced challenge of the swing vs the better spread of competition but I’m really at the point now where it’s the only viable way forward, as HB aren’t doing anything with this iteration of master swing. Tough one. Totally agree, what's fair for everyone is best for the tour.
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Post by killahbeaz132 on Dec 6, 2019 12:49:48 GMT -5
Was able to get my first 2 rounds in last night before the deadline. Started off absolutely dreadful. I ended up just kind of falling apart in the first round and only wound up with a -4. I had pretty much reserved myself at that point to a missed cut. Started the second round and ended up getting an eagle on #1. That sparked some momentum and I ended up finding a rhythm and pulled off a -11 in the second round which was astonishing to me quite honestly lol. I even managed a birdie on the dreaded 15th hole in round 2. Driver off the deck for the 2nd shot to get to 18ft and drain the putt. So -15 at the cut. Hopefully we can put together some solid weekend rounds and get inside that top 25 and even better hopefully. Trying to keep the momentum running and also carry that into the President's Cup next week! When it comes to the course and the state of the tours about the fairness of it all, my opinion is that I don't know that much is going to change as far as HB's work on the master clubs swing. That being said, I really think that the masters clubs are the way to go, because it does have that possibility for the tempo to be off and to be really punished for it. I think that's the most realistic option. I mean, I get it.....there are people that are skirting the system some to gain an advantage. I think that in time that may very well work itself out with the new repeated offender punishments and some are definitely getting caught. Also unclevirt made a comment about PC being able to combat the tempo issues some and XB1 not really being able to do anything about it. I mean I've played on XB1 since TGC1 and have continue to play on it. Is it a smaller margin for error? Sure it is. Is it frustrating at times? No doubt. Can you still compete on XB1 and try to battle? Absolutely. Listen, I know that I'm "one of the better" XB1 guys but I've also seen the other XB1 guys on the PGA and in other tours. I'm no better than them, they all have a bunch of talent. I KNOW that we can compete against all of us guys on tour. There's a lot of back and forth about what we are going to do about the tours, but if we really sit back and think about it, can you think of a better golfing community right now? I mean quite honestly TGCT has a great contingent and the vast majority of you guys out here are great guys that are wanting to compete against each other to see who the best is. We all want a fair playing field but that's always going to be hard to do. I mean there are always going to be some bad apples that try to gain an unfair advantage. But everyone here knows who's doing those things and we all also know who is doing the right things out here. Let's try to keep the positive energy that comes in here some shine thru and continue to make this great. I know we can all give opinions and that's not a bad thing and not everyone is going to like every course. But we can all do is constructively and also give negative feedback. Just my thoughts on it. I enjoy all you guys and this community though! Cheers guys!
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