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Post by popeyedoyle0 on Nov 21, 2019 15:40:57 GMT -5
This question may have been already answered I'm not sure what constitutes a need for out of bounds in some of my courses I use valleys along or across my fairways instead of bunkers some of the valleys are somewhat deep but I have not made them out of bounds, I like to give the player a chance to salvage a shot and get back on the fairway or green. Not sure what is the right call in this situation can someone please help Thanks.
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Post by b101 on Nov 22, 2019 2:47:39 GMT -5
Honest answer? It's your call. Sometimes OB can be a great hazard (see multiple Scottish links courses), but there's nothing worse than finding you've hit into an out of bounds area in game when you feel you could play it. I tend to only use it on really obvious areas (cliff edges etc) where the ball might get caught - yes, players can take an unplayable, but you can be sure someone will try to hit a PW uphill 150ft from a 30% lie, realise after the first attempt that it's impossible and that they can no longer take an unplayable back to the fairway...
Basically, it's up to you - as long as there's a clear reason why it's OB (housing area, clubhouse, ravine etc) and you've marked it well (i.e. so the OB doesn't accidentally cross into the playable area, then it's good.
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Post by popeyedoyle0 on Nov 22, 2019 8:09:27 GMT -5
Thanks b101 I just thought there might be a standard rule for this game that I was not aware of and I didn't want that to be a problem in my course designs. thanks again.
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Post by joegolferg on Nov 22, 2019 10:54:34 GMT -5
Around the perimeter of your course and NEVER as an internal hazard!
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Post by lessthanbread on Nov 22, 2019 13:24:44 GMT -5
I am extremely stingy about using OB. Only when there is undeniable certainty a shot cannot be played. There are many situations that appear impossible to get out of but actually are.
I thankfully learned this early on in my designing when I was playtesting and ended up in an area I had planned for OB. Down a cliff off the green. I decided to give it a shot anyway and actually holed out from a seemingly impossible position. When in doubt, either leave it in play or change the landscape to make it obviously one way or the other.
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Post by 15eicheltower9 on Nov 22, 2019 13:40:00 GMT -5
Around the perimeter of your course and NEVER as an internal hazard! I disagree to a point. If you're just making woods OB in the middle of your course than yeah, that's wrong. But OB can be used effectively as an internal hazard. I have 5 holes that play all the way around a row of houses, which i made all OB. It would take a very errant shot to get there, but it's possible. Plus it's realistic to have someone's back yard be OB.
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Post by joegolferg on Nov 22, 2019 17:11:19 GMT -5
Around the perimeter of your course and NEVER as an internal hazard! I disagree to a point. If you're just making woods OB in the middle of your course than yeah, that's wrong. But OB can be used effectively as an internal hazard. I have 5 holes that play all the way around a row of houses, which i made all OB. It would take a very errant shot to get there, but it's possible. Plus it's realistic to have someone's back yard be OB. In that case it would be fair, but a housing development isn't really an integral part of a golf course and shouldn't really be there...
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Post by 15eicheltower9 on Nov 22, 2019 17:49:28 GMT -5
I disagree to a point. If you're just making woods OB in the middle of your course than yeah, that's wrong. But OB can be used effectively as an internal hazard. I have 5 holes that play all the way around a row of houses, which i made all OB. It would take a very errant shot to get there, but it's possible. Plus it's realistic to have someone's back yard be OB. In that case it would be fair, but a housing development isn't really an integral part of a golf course and shouldn't really be there... But there are plenty of courses integrated with housing developments, active adult communities, and resorts, where those areas do create boundaries that would play as OB and come into play. To say they shouldn't be there isn't a rule by any stretch. My point was if you wanted to use OB as a hazard in your course, make sure there's a reason other than just plopping in an OB area in.
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Post by joegolferg on Nov 23, 2019 4:32:24 GMT -5
In that case it would be fair, but a housing development isn't really an integral part of a golf course and shouldn't really be there... But there are plenty of courses integrated with housing developments, active adult communities, and resorts, where those areas do create boundaries that would play as OB and come into play. To say they shouldn't be there isn't a rule by any stretch. My point was if you wanted to use OB as a hazard in your course, make sure there's a reason other than just plopping in an OB area in. Yeah but those housing areas are not hazards. The OOB that surrounds these areas is just a boundary marker. I'm talking about using OOB as an actual internal hazard which, sadly, is something some designers do in this game.
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Post by 15eicheltower9 on Nov 23, 2019 10:56:47 GMT -5
But there are plenty of courses integrated with housing developments, active adult communities, and resorts, where those areas do create boundaries that would play as OB and come into play. To say they shouldn't be there isn't a rule by any stretch. My point was if you wanted to use OB as a hazard in your course, make sure there's a reason other than just plopping in an OB area in. Yeah but those housing areas are not hazards. The OOB that surrounds these areas is just a boundary marker. I'm talking about using OOB as an actual internal hazard which, sadly, is something some designers do in this game. Sorry I was misunderstanding you. I thought you meant no OB inside the perimeter at all, my bad.
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Post by nevadaballin on Nov 23, 2019 17:58:11 GMT -5
I never use them in course design. I'd rather give the player the option to hack it out of trouble or take a drop. This is a Video Game/Real World separation line that i've created in my mind. No one has ever complained that there wasn't an OB on a course (that I know of) but I've seen some pretty shady OB placements on a course or two that do have them
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 1:30:39 GMT -5
But there are plenty of courses integrated with housing developments, active adult communities, and resorts, where those areas do create boundaries that would play as OB and come into play. To say they shouldn't be there isn't a rule by any stretch. My point was if you wanted to use OB as a hazard in your course, make sure there's a reason other than just plopping in an OB area in. Yeah but those housing areas are not hazards. The OOB that surrounds these areas is just a boundary marker. I'm talking about using OOB as an actual internal hazard which, sadly, is something some designers do in this game. If one area is so horrifically rocky or if there's a big gorge the course is built around, it may be necessary to save idiot newbies the frustration of hitting the stroke limit just because they didn't immediately take an unplayable.
I know your courses wouldn't have anything like this on them as they're flat and therefore boring
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Nov 28, 2019 6:02:53 GMT -5
Yeah but those housing areas are not hazards. The OOB that surrounds these areas is just a boundary marker. I'm talking about using OOB as an actual internal hazard which, sadly, is something some designers do in this game. If one area is so horrifically rocky or if there's a big gorge the course is built around, it may be necessary to save idiot newbies the frustration of hitting the stroke limit just because they didn't immediately take an unplayable.
I know your courses wouldn't have anything like this on them as they're flat and therefore boring Muhahahah
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Post by gforce41 on Nov 29, 2019 18:43:07 GMT -5
I try not to be picky with others designs, but this is the one thing the drives me absolutlely nuts. There should never be OB in the middle of the course*. OB is technically off the course, and most often off the course property. There's nothing like ripping a drive down the middle and watching it trickle into some rocks etc and then realizing you are OB. I realized there is a limitation to the game where you cannot designate a hazard or lateral hazard but...just...don't...do it...please. And if you must, please clearly mark it with white stakes!! (*And yes, I have played some old courses around here where there is OB in the middle of the course to prevent you from cutting off a dogleg by teeing off over the last green and potentially knocking one into someone's noggin...ha)
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Post by ddixjr509 on Dec 13, 2019 9:07:40 GMT -5
Around the perimeter of your course and NEVER as an internal hazard! Technically correct- and is a good rule of thumb for real life courses. As b101 alluded to- I've used OOB in the internal portion of the course- only in areas (rocky ravines) where people were too dumb to take an unplayable lie. I hate to do it, but sometimes we have to protect players from themselves. Ideally, Designers should be able to differentiate OOB and lateral hazards in these cases- but alas.
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