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Post by CuseHokie on Nov 17, 2019 18:20:12 GMT -5
You know this Doyley but it’s constant complaints here. No need to change...just try to supply variation. Nothing anyone does will stop complaining because the alternative is to ask how to be better personally, and so many here have no desire to do that. And yet winners are at -60. Grow up folks. Personally I'm quite happy to criticise my own play. Frankly you should hear me when i am playing if you believe otherwise.
But if i hit a PW chip that comes back to my feet, and then on the next attempt i loft it down fractionally (literally as little as i physically can) and end up 30 feet past the pin on the other side....What have i actually done wrong? Bearing in mind the only reason i was chipping in the first place is because my approach was probably 1 yard long. A single yard. And a yard shorter probably leaves me chipping from the other side. Such is the wafer thin margins we're taking here.
It's not the scoring that's the issue, it's the fact that we're seeing setups that in many places do not distinguish between a good shot and a bad one. There's no strategy involved if you literally can't keep a ball on the green. It's a crapshoot and it actually demeans the entire notion of the skill. It's arcade nonsense that makes far more of a joke of the tour than any -60 ever has
And btw, when you have to be literally inch perfect, we're just handing an even bigger advantage to the flickers than they already have, which is an odd place to be....
Precisely. I’ll upload my R4 and narrate the stupidity later.
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Post by staypuft39 on Nov 17, 2019 18:26:13 GMT -5
Had to go back and check out the thread for this course, as I recognized it as a US Open contest course from last year (which explains the difficulty). When Dario gives you a shout out for creating tough pins...DAMN there must be some tough ones out there. Happy to miss this week and wait for something more...cut-makeable.
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Post by flyingj75 on Nov 17, 2019 18:31:15 GMT -5
Again, as if it hasn't been stated clearly enough. The shortswing/flicker garbage, idiocracy is being pampered, fed, and encouraged by setups and conditions week after week. LOOK AT THE LEADERBOARDS. I have always been a "everybody is playing the same course and conditions" guy, but these particular conditions play right into the hands of those lol, great players, lol. I want to see a black x for every disqualification on the leaderboard, and those are only the ones flagged, I would also like to see a show of hands, who in the top 20 is flicking/shortswinging. Own it! I want to know who I am actually competing against.
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Post by jtcurrent on Nov 17, 2019 19:42:11 GMT -5
You know this Doyley but it’s constant complaints here. No need to change...just try to supply variation. Nothing anyone does will stop complaining because the alternative is to ask how to be better personally, and so many here have no desire to do that. And yet winners are at -60. Grow up folks. Personally I'm quite happy to criticise my own play. Frankly you should hear me when i am playing if you believe otherwise.
But if i hit a PW chip that comes back to my feet, and then on the next attempt i loft it down fractionally (literally as little as i physically can) and end up 30 feet past the pin on the other side....What have i actually done wrong? Bearing in mind the only reason i was chipping in the first place is because my approach was probably 1 yard long. A single yard. And a yard shorter probably leaves me chipping from the other side. Such is the wafer thin margins we're taking here.
It's not the scoring that's the issue, it's the fact that we're seeing setups that in many places do not distinguish between a good shot and a bad one. There's no strategy involved if you literally can't keep a ball on the green. It's a crapshoot and it actually demeans the entire notion of skill. It's arcade nonsense that makes far more of a joke of the tour than any -60 ever has
And btw, when you have to be literally inch perfect, we're just handing an even bigger advantage to the flickers than they already have, which is an odd place to be....
Hey pal...you’re OG out here and the last sentence I completely agree with. But regarding the rest, you just didn’t hit the shot properly. These shots are tough and delicate, and maybe easier for those who can hit it dead on at all times. But we all play the same course and conditions so all is fair. This course is tricky and I knew there would be complaints. I’d be thrilled to make the cut myself! But sometimes it’s just exacting...not wrong...do you follow what I mean? Just my opinion and I always respect yours too, so not a criticism just a differing viewpoint.
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Post by Dave on Nov 17, 2019 19:52:22 GMT -5
How to ruin a really nice trek with some absolute abominations for "greens". I love the idea that you've got a strip of green about 8 feet wide to land on, either side and you roll 40 feet away with a 1-2 feet incline, (might 11th of round 3?). Took a nice little 5 putt double there.
I guess artificially tricking up a course to make the scoring more "realistic" is more important than making it fun in this tour. Consequently you're making it easier for those guys who know where their ball will finish before they hit it.
Good luck to the rest of you who play the game properly.
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Nov 17, 2019 20:10:16 GMT -5
Personally I'm quite happy to criticise my own play. Frankly you should hear me when i am playing if you believe otherwise.
But if i hit a PW chip that comes back to my feet, and then on the next attempt i loft it down fractionally (literally as little as i physically can) and end up 30 feet past the pin on the other side....What have i actually done wrong? Bearing in mind the only reason i was chipping in the first place is because my approach was probably 1 yard long. A single yard. And a yard shorter probably leaves me chipping from the other side. Such is the wafer thin margins we're taking here.
It's not the scoring that's the issue, it's the fact that we're seeing setups that in many places do not distinguish between a good shot and a bad one. There's no strategy involved if you literally can't keep a ball on the green. It's a crapshoot and it actually demeans the entire notion of skill. It's arcade nonsense that makes far more of a joke of the tour than any -60 ever has
And btw, when you have to be literally inch perfect, we're just handing an even bigger advantage to the flickers than they already have, which is an odd place to be....
Hey pal...you’re OG out here and the last sentence I completely agree with. But regarding the rest, you just didn’t hit the shot properly. These shots are tough and delicate, and maybe easier for those who can hit it dead on at all times. But we all play the same course and conditions so all is fair. This course is tricky and I knew there would be complaints. I’d be thrilled to make the cut myself! But sometimes it’s just exacting...not wrong...do you follow what I mean? Just my opinion and I always respect yours too, so not a criticism just a differing viewpoint. Yep, i didn't.
But i then made the necessary adjustment and it was still wrong, just in the opposite direction.
That's where it reaches a point where it goes beyond exacting/delicate and requires the kind of precision that is actually impossible for us to accurately judge, hence why i say it's sometimes more about luck than judgement or skill.
We already have a legitimacy issue with the PS4 advantage and the flicking, and it's being made worse through the selections and the setups. Things that are in our control.
And to what end? To reduce the winning score by 5-10 shots? That's just not a fair trade off in my book, but as two old stagers we can agree to disagree
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Post by CuseHokie on Nov 17, 2019 21:12:24 GMT -5
Hey pal...you’re OG out here and the last sentence I completely agree with. But regarding the rest, you just didn’t hit the shot properly. These shots are tough and delicate, and maybe easier for those who can hit it dead on at all times. But we all play the same course and conditions so all is fair. This course is tricky and I knew there would be complaints. I’d be thrilled to make the cut myself! But sometimes it’s just exacting...not wrong...do you follow what I mean? Just my opinion and I always respect yours too, so not a criticism just a differing viewpoint. Yep, i didn't.
But i then made the necessary adjustment and it was still wrong, just in the opposite direction.
That's where it reaches a point where it goes beyond exacting/delicate and requires the kind of precision that is actually impossible for us to accurately judge, hence why i say it's sometimes more about luck than judgement or skill.
We already have a legitimacy issue with the PS4 advantage and the flicking, and it's being made worse through the selections and the setups. Things that are in our control.
And to what end? To reduce the winning score by 5-10 shots? That's just not a fair trade off in my book, but as two old stagers we can agree to disagree Mate, If you ran for President, you’d have my vote. 👍🏻
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Post by CuseHokie on Nov 17, 2019 21:32:24 GMT -5
Hole 1 - with a pin like that, there's no point in laying up. Just hoping to blast it with the wind that strong and flop it to get up and down?
Hole 2 - another joke of a pin... you can't go straight at it because you'll bounce back down into the bunker... of course there's a huge ridge if you are short that you will have an impossible lag putt.
Hole 3 - what can I say, a fast DS goes long and left. Love the water fall feature on the green.
Hole 4 - don't wanna go left!
Hole 5 - I hit it how I wanted, just didn't setup far enough to the right I guess.
Hole 6 - to have the roll out on a pitch into the wind like that was surprising...
Hole 7 - the fast DS is back, extra 5 yards and left of target! woo!
Hole 8 - have issues with this hole/pin with the wind. Double fast driver... double fast 1 iron, and I'm still not in the right time zone. I guess maybe a double fast 2 wood gets there? The contouring doesn't reward a good 1-iron approach.
Hole 9 - this was probably the most offensive pin. Without the wind meter, there's always a little doubt. My ball lands what, 3 yards short? Tops? Remember we are playing very firm. And it spins back off the front. What is this, tgc2 spin now? And that chip is no easy chip. If you run it a yard past, it's likely off the green. Good shot not getting rewarded.
Hole 10 - I figured the wind had to have been helping 10 or so... even with the fast my delofted GW doesn't even make it on the green...and comes back off. If I land it on the green it probably rolls to the back collar.
Hole 11 - Another "lottery ticket" pin. Need to have enough momentum to get over the ridge but then magically brake within the 3 yard gap as to not roll off the green... dumb.
Hole 12 - Good swing, expected that to carry 140+ and didn't even get there. Maybe we should bring back the wind meter.
Hole 13 - I honestly thought I hit this perfectly. Pin is 167. Ball lands around 156... and rolls off the green to 182. Dumb. I'm not sure how you hold the green on that tier. Again dumb luck?
Hole 14 - This one takes the prize. 8 iron lands within the 1 yard gap of fairway between rough and green at 162... and rolls to 178. And still rolls 14 feet past the pin. Dumb. 16 yards of roll. With an 8 iron.
Hole 15 - That ball really didn't want to stay on the green did it.... luckily for me it did.
Hole 16 - 214, slightly uphill... wind straight across, probably not going to help. Hit it fine, still 20 feet past the pin. Dumb. I'm sure someone will say you need to account for the downslope. Sorry, I can't loft 4 irons to control that much.
Hole 17 - 214, pin right on top of a mound. Couldn't hit a better shot. That was the perfect shot I guess.
Hole 18 - If you look at the beads, it's like a vortex around that pin. Purposely tricked up. You have up hill, down hill, left, and right all within a 5 yard radius.
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Post by GW_Hope on Nov 17, 2019 23:04:32 GMT -5
Probably a missed cut but if not it will be a DNF. I quit It’s just not fun anymore.
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Post by unclevirt on Nov 17, 2019 23:29:35 GMT -5
I'm not gonna lie guys....I found myself many times on this course saying to myself, what did we do to upset the setup peeps? I have never had to stress over approach shots and putts like I did in this tournament. I'm not really sure if this is good or bad but it was definitely tough.
I think I shot -41 and I'm pretty proud of that. Round 3 and 4 were simply brutal with the wind, pin placements and firmness of greens. I'm not complaining by any means here. This is just an opinion.
There was also a par 4 in round 4 where I hit a perfect-perfect Driver and then a perfect-perfect 3 wood and wound up in the bunker short of the pin. That doesn't even feel like it should be allowed=P. The course was pretty but the greens were a bit too tough IMO. Anyways, good luck and have fun everyone!
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Post by hershalcrustofsk on Nov 18, 2019 0:13:03 GMT -5
-18 through 2. Would guess that’s on the bubble. Played the weekend rounds for the hell of it, no need to talk about those 🤮. Found the course to be tough but fair, on to next week. Best of luck to those left to play.
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Post by humanecentipede on Nov 18, 2019 1:37:29 GMT -5
Crazy greens at 187, definitely favors those who hit straighter than average. Hit a lot of great (lucky) shots and trickling 10 footers to finish my first round at -11, but I fear an implosion is right around the corner.
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Post by Generic_Casual on Nov 18, 2019 2:05:59 GMT -5
Came for the complaining. Was disappointed. I miss a good "Dave" rant now and again. Not played this course except once and I look forward to 40-footers and the like. I like the looks of it anyway and remember so from watching Mitch's video. Come on guys, this isn't the Ratel...
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Post by Generic_Casual on Nov 18, 2019 2:08:02 GMT -5
Again, as if it hasn't been stated clearly enough. The shortswing/flicker garbage, idiocracy is being pampered, fed, and encouraged by setups and conditions week after week. LOOK AT THE LEADERBOARDS. I have always been a "everybody is playing the same course and conditions" guy, but these particular conditions play right into the hands of those lol, great players, lol. I want to see a black x for every disqualification on the leaderboard, and those are only the ones flagged, I would also like to see a show of hands, who in the top 20 is flicking/shortswinging. Own it! I want to know who I am actually competing against. Not like they'll admit it... I'm sure of more than a few just from watching them stream and such, but can't name them. Don't want to wind up like good ol' habs and get the axe!
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Post by Generic_Casual on Nov 18, 2019 9:15:41 GMT -5
Round 1 in at -12. 😊😊
Couldn't ask for much better honestly. 😬😬
Hit some really nice shots on the tougher pins. 😏😏
Made a lone bogey on 7 after I tried to get cute and throw a fade up in the wind. 😭😭
Caught the slope. Rolled off. Had a skate rink putt from 7 feet and missed. 😔😔
Actually one of my better putting rounds in a LONG while! 😎😎
Made some absolute curlers from 12-20ish feet. 😏😏
Flopped in out of the rough for eagle on the back. 😊😊
Barely, and I mean BARELY missed a huge 30 foot sidewinder on 18 for eagle. 😲😲
Hope to keep it up, but we all know how I am. 😂😂
Good luck all! 😊😊
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