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Post by dgforelife on Nov 17, 2019 4:28:20 GMT -5
After a week off I'm back (probably only for two rounds as usual)
Going to post personal rating for the week along with some course ratings.
Played three rounds and figured it was enough as I'm going to guess the cutline is at -16 or -17. I'm sitting at -14 thru two rounds.
Driving- 10/10. 100% Fairways hit for three rounds.
Approach shots- 4/10. This was the killer, couldn't get it close often enough
Putting- 6/10. One bogey in three rounds but overall wasn't getting putts to fall that I should of.
Course ratings:
Difficulty- 7.5/10 large fairways with some tricking pin locations. Lots of runoffs around the greens.
I could be wrong but I believe there is only one pin location on hole 7.
Playability- 8/10. It's paramount to use the slopes of the greens to have decent looks at this track. There were maybe 2 sketchy pin locations thru three rounds, the one I remember forsure was hole 1 Rd 3.
Predicted winning score/ -51
Good luck everyone!
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Nov 17, 2019 10:32:49 GMT -5
4 holes in and i'm already bored.
Very Firm/Very Fast to targets about 2 yards wide with drop offs on either side. Feel like i've seen this movie before
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Post by deathstar on Nov 17, 2019 11:13:44 GMT -5
4 holes in and i'm already bored.
Very Firm/Very Fast to targets about 2 yards wide with drop offs on either side. Feel like i've seen this movie before
Yeah exactly why cant we have some variation, mix it up a little please it doesn't always have to be super fast and super firm.
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Post by dgforelife on Nov 17, 2019 11:15:49 GMT -5
4 holes in and i'm already bored.
Very Firm/Very Fast to targets about 2 yards wide with drop offs on either side. Feel like i've seen this movie before
Yeah exactly why cant we have some variation, mix it up a little please it doesn't always have to be super fast and super firm. Round two conditions flip the script and then it goes back thereafter.
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Post by Kenny on Nov 17, 2019 11:59:53 GMT -5
Another week, another poor performance from me, another week when I could moan about the setup but what’s the point. And yep another missed cut. I did hit some good approach shots, only for the ball to bounce like it hit a trampoline when landing on the green. Could we have some pins near slopes next week just to mix things up a little bit? (🙄) I don’t even know how many demotion strikes I have against me, that’s how much I’ve cared recently, so might be heading and posting on Euro Tour soon...myeh!!
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Post by frank70 on Nov 17, 2019 13:54:09 GMT -5
-6 -8
-14 at the cut.
Not enough. My lomg game was okay. Just couldn't make enough putts. Hadn't a straight one me thinks - quite a few benders. Anyway: missed probably 18 of 20 putts from 10 to 20 feet. Just not good enough on the greens to make the cut.
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Nov 17, 2019 16:48:10 GMT -5
Random thought:
I miss equal PGA and Euro, and crossovers. Kind of think the flexibility it competition that structure provided is at the core of a lot of our....moaning?
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Post by gavlaar124 on Nov 17, 2019 16:59:24 GMT -5
-8 -7 for -15 at the cut (missed probably) on this clownmouth course
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Nov 17, 2019 17:20:21 GMT -5
62-60-62-67 - 29 under total.
Should make the cut.
Went Bogey free from Hole 2 in R1 to Hole 10 in R4 - then followed up with a double bogey @ 11 (That pin is the worst on show over the four rounds, and that is really saying something). Played genuinely pretty well throughout tee to green but missed a load of 10-15 footers and had 3 disasters around the greens. All three bogies came about the same way, overshooting on chips down the hill on the other side of the pin. My fault entirely, but jeez it was repetitive.
Very interesting reading the course description on this one - "The player must plan the approach shot in order to put their ball in position for any chance at a putt". Designing a course that makes you play away from pins is fine, but it needs to be set up to rewards the strategic play, and this simply wasn't
Numerous times through the four rounds it was basically impossible to hold the green unless you wanted a downhill 50 footer on a 187 green, which noone wants. At least half of the pins are on mounds so if your distance was 2 yards out either way you were off the green and the only skill being tested becomes chipping. Often the strategic play became playing for a chip a la TGC1. And i don't imagine it was designed to be played that way.
Seriously, I'd love to know the rationale behind the way it was setup (without getting into a "we don't want -70 every week" or "You're a PGA player, you should be able to handle it" conversation, both of which are non arguments). Not looking for an argument, i'd just genuinely like to know....
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Post by Doyley on Nov 17, 2019 17:40:56 GMT -5
Random thought: I miss equal PGA and Euro, and crossovers. Kind of think the flexibility it competition that structure provided is at the core of a lot of our....moaning? To be fair, all the other tours have similar setups and most of those threads don't have issues most weeks. You guys do get a tougher course/setup generally speaking overall. I've played a few of the events that had some high levels of complaining and I expected to be blown away by the unfairness - and am usually left with a meh wasn't too bad. Probably just a slow drip of tough conditions and pins that are wearing you guys down - especially knowing that to be at a top of the leaderboard you need to be near perfect.
Lower tours - a par or bogey isn't the end of your event.
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Post by CuseHokie on Nov 17, 2019 17:43:56 GMT -5
I knew Dale would be good for a stupid arcade round. It’s in R4 boys. Hope you enjoy pinball golf.
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Post by jtcurrent on Nov 17, 2019 17:57:17 GMT -5
Random thought: I miss equal PGA and Euro, and crossovers. Kind of think the flexibility it competition that structure provided is at the core of a lot of our....moaning? To be fair, all the other tours have similar setups and most of those threads don't have issues most weeks. You guys do get a tougher course/setup generally speaking overall. I've played a few of the events that had some high levels of complaining and I expected to be blown away by the unfairness - and am usually left with a meh wasn't too bad. Probably just a slow drip of tough conditions and pins that are wearing you guys down - especially knowing that to be at a top of the leaderboard you need to be near perfect.
Lower tours - a par or bogey isn't the end of your event.
You know this Doyley but it’s constant complaints here. No need to change...just try to supply variation. Nothing anyone does will stop complaining because the alternative is to ask how to be better personally, and so many here have no desire to do that. And yet winners are at -60. Grow up folks.
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Nov 17, 2019 18:11:26 GMT -5
To be fair, all the other tours have similar setups and most of those threads don't have issues most weeks. You guys do get a tougher course/setup generally speaking overall. I've played a few of the events that had some high levels of complaining and I expected to be blown away by the unfairness - and am usually left with a meh wasn't too bad. Probably just a slow drip of tough conditions and pins that are wearing you guys down - especially knowing that to be at a top of the leaderboard you need to be near perfect.
Lower tours - a par or bogey isn't the end of your event.
You know this Doyley but it’s constant complaints here. No need to change...just try to supply variation. Nothing anyone does will stop complaining because the alternative is to ask how to be better personally, and so many here have no desire to do that. And yet winners are at -60. Grow up folks. Personally I'm quite happy to criticise my own play. Frankly you should hear me when i am playing if you believe otherwise.
But if i hit a PW chip that comes back to my feet, and then on the next attempt i loft it down fractionally (literally as little as i physically can) and end up 30 feet past the pin on the other side....What have i actually done wrong? Bearing in mind the only reason i was chipping in the first place is because my approach was probably 1 yard long. A single yard. And a yard shorter probably leaves me chipping from the other side. Such is the wafer thin margins we're taking here.
It's not the scoring that's the issue, it's the fact that we're seeing setups that in many places do not distinguish between a good shot and a bad one. There's no strategy involved if you literally can't keep a ball on the green. It's a crapshoot and it actually demeans the entire notion of skill. It's arcade nonsense that makes far more of a joke of the tour than any -60 ever has
And btw, when you have to be literally inch perfect, we're just handing an even bigger advantage to the flickers than they already have, which is an odd place to be....
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Nov 17, 2019 18:12:17 GMT -5
Re: the old Euro and PGA setup
It wasn’t so much about stopping complaining as it was about providing variety. Agreed that on this level we should get the toughest of setups, but the ability to crossover to the other equal tour - and have a split amongst the top few as to which tour was their regular - provided more engagement week to week IMO than what we have now.
All of that said, I recognize it wasn’t a thing admins decided they just weren’t going to do, became much harder to code starting with 2. Was only making an observation/comment as to the change from the good ol days....when we walked uphill to school, in the snow, both ways.
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Post by CuseHokie on Nov 17, 2019 18:12:43 GMT -5
The worst thing that ever happened to the tour was the ability to customize firmness, speed, and wind.
It’s ruined good designs and fabricated unnecessary difficulty.
Variation can be achieved by the choice of course from week to week.
Let the wind ride. Change direction perhaps. 🤷🏼♂️
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