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Post by b101 on Nov 13, 2019 16:42:49 GMT -5
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Kermit_418
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Post by Kermit_418 on Nov 13, 2019 18:48:01 GMT -5
I appreciate all the input. Im definitely going to rework it. Take out the trees and make a small rock wall between the two...or going off the last post, bring the river into play with an angled fairway. How aggresive do you want to be.
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Post by Kermit_418 on Nov 15, 2019 6:13:32 GMT -5
Thoughts?
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Post by Kermit_418 on Nov 15, 2019 6:14:35 GMT -5
Aerial
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Post by TannerBronson on Nov 15, 2019 6:45:31 GMT -5
That’s a whole ton better! I would even take out that pine tree in the middle I think.
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Post by b101 on Nov 15, 2019 14:11:52 GMT -5
Now, I'd be tempted to make the angle of the fairway over the rocks nearer 45 degrees from low left to high right with the better angle into the green being from as far right as possible. With the green, I'd angle it to face the right hand side of the fairway and probably pop a bunker in the front left side, so it comes into play more the safer players play off the tee. That way, you ask players the question of 'how brave are you?' and give them a whole range of sub-options with the bravest line being the best rewarded. I also agree about getting rid of the tree - it's no longer serving a purpose. Happy to draw you a very quick, rather rubbish sketch if need be!
Basically, playing with diagonal angles everywhere is one of the best things you can do in giving players options, in my opinion - it's more a case of 'how much challenge do you feel comfortable with?' rather than 'yes or no?'.
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Post by Kermit_418 on Nov 15, 2019 20:48:55 GMT -5
Pure gold. Ill make those adjustments today.
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Post by Kermit_418 on Nov 17, 2019 8:04:21 GMT -5
So I opted against the 45* on the fairway but I did add the greenside bunker. I just published OSPGC beta v4. I'd appreciate any feedback you guys could provide. This is the first original, starting from a flat plot I've done.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2019 20:35:31 GMT -5
EDIT: For some reason I didn't read the second page this is is entirely unnecessary at this point...
IRL holes known for split fairways would include stuff like #7 at Valhalla, #4 at Ballyhack, to an extent #11 at Sawgrass. #7 on Valhalla the central island cuts off a lot of distance, whereas #4 on Ballyhack is more for a better approach angle on an already very difficult hole (green runs right to left and front to back). When it's not about distance, a lot of the time the more aggressive shot rewards the player with a more favorable approach angle into the green. On some holes it can depend with pin position (new highland dunes #2).
In general with a split fairway offering two tee shot options of similar difficulty, it's worth building the green complex so that some hole locations favor a tee shot hit to one side and some to the other side. In such an instance, it's a good idea to avoid giving the player one clearly superior option...if you do, the split fairway adds no strategic value to the hole.
Then there are some holes that, like B101 said, do not have actual split fairways but employ a lot of the same strategic concepts as if they have a split fairway. This is a hole from my fictional WIP on which all the strategy centers around one large fairway bunker. I have a couple others that will have centerline fairway bunkers like a lot of b101's stuff and new highland dunes #2, but those aren't quite 'ready' for photos.
This hole you can either play right of the bunker, short of it, over it, or over and to the left. Based on the way the green is angled and designed you want to be both closer and have the best angle in that you can. Right of the bunker is the obvious safe play but leaves the worst angle to a green that slopes severely from right to left off a sidehill right to left lie. Short of the bunker is a bit longer but leaves a slightly better angle and better lie. And the Over options depend on how much wind you have at your back (over + left is not reachable without a slight tailwind or stronger + lofted up fast/fast) Any of the over options are favorable to most pins, but to a front right hole location it may be better to go short left than over the right portion of the bunker. Over + left is the ideal shot to any hole location when the conditions allow as it leaves a ~100yd approach shot. And an aerial view:
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