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Post by Crazycanuck1985 on Oct 14, 2019 16:53:47 GMT -5
Me as the grizzled vet designer trying to fit in with the cool kid designer clique
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Post by tottenhamordie on Oct 14, 2019 16:56:49 GMT -5
tottenhamordie - I'm sorry that there are people out there that don't seem to like the DAM guys, or their friends, or the other contributing members of this community that apparently make up the "insiders clique." Obviously that's never the goal, but hey, I don't expect everyone to like me. At the end of the day, hopefully the community design "clique" is doing more good than bad within TGCTours, and I think if we lined up all of the people supported and helped in this community by members that you have deemed "insiders," it would number more than the amount of people who hate the "insiders." At this point, we might as well just agree that there is a clique within the design community, but if that's the case, it's a lot bigger than just the people with DAM badges in their signature, and I'll tell you right now that there is no official invite to get into the clique, but there sure is a way to keep yourself outside of it. Food for thought I guess.
i never said there was a design clique. the most frustrating part about this is, people dont seem to actually read anything i say. they see my name, they see who im talking about, and already have their response copy pasted without regard to context or the actual points being made. and i get it man, theres no special requirement to be in the group. there are no applications, no try outs, no special code. this has been repeated over and over. but to just ignore the fact that its the same people, every time, without fail is just funny to me. to see the same people defend the person in question, without pause, doesnt really help the whole play dumb like there isnt a circle of people on here who will defend whatever, troll whatever, say whatever and get away with it. someone asked why i didnt just DM him, because i want to put this out there for all to see, not slink around in DMs. i want to see the same people flock to it immediately to defend it. all of the memes, gifs, and troll replies are clearly just defense mechanisms after you realize you basically out yourselves every time this happens. and the fact i have a dozen messages from random people i have never talked to, some who have good standing here, telling me its just the way it is around here isnt a fluke either. some here immediately assume they are all angry people who just dont like them. what a pathetic way to just cast it aside.
in my opinion, what he did was f*& ek up. people either didnt watch the entire vod, or they are just playing dumb for the sake of defending him. he obviously had all these issues. well in the words of someone else, why didnt he DM me? why salivate over the chance to essentially TRY to roast me on a live stream? why not post it in my course thread thats been up for a month? because he needed an audience. he wanted the one or two laughs he got. good for you timmy!!!! no jokes the entire first play through, the name of my course gets mentioned and hes already frothing at the mere mention of it. calling me by the wrong name on purpose. and im supposed to just sit there and take it? nah, sorry, never been that way, and never will be. and he can make all the jokes he wants in his soft little lispy voice, and i dont care how long anyone has known him. hes a scum bag for that in my book. plain and simple.
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Post by tottenhamordie on Oct 14, 2019 17:09:57 GMT -5
You started this thread about a 3rd party course review, this is why I am for the 1st time ever commenting on one of your ridiculous threads... after watching it, still have no idea what made you so upset? If people we're extremely nice would that have inspired you to make a thread asking why you didn't get enough criticism? Who knows... From your 1st post to now, nothing has changed. Have a bad round then go give what you call "constructive criticism" on that course which is really just crying about your poor performance, or in the tour thread calling everyone bots because you didn't win. Don't get the course review you wanted, why not blame it on a few playful jokes about the MASSIVE greens on your course. Still cannot believe that is what this is all about, extremely mild compared to what has been said in the past... quit being soft or quit the game. "Psychological projection is a defense mechanism people subconsciously employ in order to cope with difficult feelings or emotions. Psychological projection involves projecting undesirable feelings or emotions onto someone else, rather than admitting to or dealing with the unwanted feelings."
1. crying lol 2. i have already apologized and moved on from my first post ever on here, when i was a noob, so nice try 3. i dont call people bots because i lose, so strike 3 i guess?
i have already said i joined this to learn. to get REAL feedback, which i have gotten so far from a few that have played it live or on youtube. im sorry that you cant read, or comprehend, that this is about a judge basically roasting my course for an audience. i never said my course was amazing, not even close to insinuating it. i am after all, a rookie duurrrr. so in that context, seeing someone roast it like it his little dumpster fire show, instead of treating like a rookie course, is frustrating.
oh, and as far as being soft. HAHAHAHAHAHA i volunteered my first course to be roasted on the dumpster fire show. i laughed the entire time i watched it because i knew i asked for it. in the context it was hilarious. i didnt ask to be roasted on this, i joined this for feedback to improve going forward. but nice analytics dr phil.....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2019 17:23:02 GMT -5
Okay, fair enough tottenhamordie. I have given respectful responses to your posts (which are all original, NOT copied and pasted), but you want to blast my reading comprehension, say I'm playing dumb, and then take this to the personal level by attacking people I consider good friends, then I'm done with the conversation. As I said, best wishes to you in the contest.
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Post by Crazycanuck1985 on Oct 14, 2019 17:24:32 GMT -5
tottenhamordie - I'm sorry that there are people out there that don't seem to like the DAM guys, or their friends, or the other contributing members of this community that apparently make up the "insiders clique." Obviously that's never the goal, but hey, I don't expect everyone to like me. At the end of the day, hopefully the community design "clique" is doing more good than bad within TGCTours, and I think if we lined up all of the people supported and helped in this community by members that you have deemed "insiders," it would number more than the amount of people who hate the "insiders." At this point, we might as well just agree that there is a clique within the design community, but if that's the case, it's a lot bigger than just the people with DAM badges in their signature, and I'll tell you right now that there is no official invite to get into the clique, but there sure is a way to keep yourself outside of it. Food for thought I guess.
i never said there was a design clique. the most frustrating part about this is, people dont seem to actually read anything i say. they see my name, they see who im talking about, and already have their response copy pasted without regard to context or the actual points being made. and i get it man, theres no special requirement to be in the group. there are no applications, no try outs, no special code. this has been repeated over and over. but to just ignore the fact that its the same people, every time, without fail is just funny to me. to see the same people defend the person in question, without pause, doesnt really help the whole play dumb like there isnt a circle of people on here who will defend whatever, troll whatever, say whatever and get away with it. someone asked why i didnt just DM him, because i want to put this out there for all to see, not slink around in DMs. i want to see the same people flock to it immediately to defend it. all of the memes, gifs, and troll replies are clearly just defense mechanisms after you realize you basically out yourselves every time this happens. and the fact i have a dozen messages from random people i have never talked to, some who have good standing here, telling me its just the way it is around here isnt a fluke either. some here immediately assume they are all angry people who just dont like them. what a pathetic way to just cast it aside.
in my opinion, what he did was f*& ek up. people either didnt watch the entire vod, or they are just playing dumb for the sake of defending him. he obviously had all these issues. well in the words of someone else, why didnt he DM me? why salivate over the chance to essentially TRY to roast me on a live stream? why not post it in my course thread thats been up for a month? because he needed an audience. he wanted the one or two laughs he got. good for you timmy!!!! no jokes the entire first play through, the name of my course gets mentioned and hes already frothing at the mere mention of it. calling me by the wrong name on purpose. and im supposed to just sit there and take it? nah, sorry, never been that way, and never will be. and he can make all the jokes he wants in his soft little lispy voice, and i dont care how long anyone has known him. hes a scum bag for that in my book. plain and simple. Alright, as someone who definitely is not in this "inner circle" (or if I am, I haven't received my t-shirt) and somebody that has been here since the start, I have some constructive criticism for you. First off, in regards to this "clique". I have had almost every role there is to have on this site when it comes to course design over these last six years. Scheduler, head reviewer, moderator. I have seen everything and I have access to private boards that discuss courses to pick for scheduling purposes. In six years, I have never once seen any sort of favoritism or bias towards any other courses or designers in terms of how courses are chosen. Do other designers have more courses on tour than others? Of course. These are people that devote much of their free time to design and produce quality courses, and lots of them, which makes them seem like they are "favorites". These "dozen random people" that have reached out to you are most likely those that have had one or two good courses and expect to be a lock. There are only so many tournaments and tons of courses, so many great courses fall through the cracks. And there is no interest in keeping track of which designer has had their courses on tour the most...this isn't "everybody gets a trophy" time. Pump out some good courses, and eventually your time will come. It truly is just laughable at those that think there is some inner circle of designers. I was joking about it on stream earlier today, but some of these guys go out of their way even to make sure it doesn't seem like favoritism. I'm not sure why I bothered to type this first part as those that think there is a clique won't believe me anyway. And as for your reception of the comments in the stream. I checked the VOD too, and these comments aren't exactly malicious. Did they need to be said especially with the designer not present? No, probably not, but its a freaking twitch stream and we are watching people play golf, which isn't the most exciting thing in the world. Poking fun at courses can make things a bit lighter. You aren't the only one that has had a course roasted. Far from it. From the looks of things, this is your first course? Creating an obnoxious thread calling someone out because he joked about one of your courses and then attacking the core of the design community isn't exactly the best way to be an active and useful member of the community. Take all feedback for what it's worth and design for you, not for others. I know this is a contest, but you are being pretty sensitive with all this and it isn't exactly a good look here. Despite what this group of people with a jealousy complex seem to think, as a relative outsider looking in, this design community is the strongest I've seen in the years I've been here, and go out of their way to help others and encourage them. The more newer designers reach out, the more likely they are to help. If this is how you want to approach things, it doesn't look like you are a great fit around here anyway.
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Post by golfwolfuk on Oct 14, 2019 17:40:03 GMT -5
Ok, Tottenham, First of all, if I thought in any way that the jokes I made in the stream were going to make you feel like this, dude, I wouldn’t of said those anything, sorry if I offended you or belittled you at all... the things I said were of a joking bantering nature.. or at least that’s how they were meant to be anyway. But I do realise that I’ve proberbly spoken out without regard for the effort that you put into your design, sorry bud.
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Post by nevadaballin on Oct 14, 2019 17:44:29 GMT -5
In the words of Clint Eastwood in The Unforgiven:
Sheriff "Little Bill" Daggett: I don't deserve this... to die like this. I was building a golf course, er, I mean house. Bill (Clint Eastwood) Munny: Deserve's got nothin' to do with it. *Bang*
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Post by SmilingGoats on Oct 14, 2019 17:48:24 GMT -5
This thread might break the record for "most words in a forum thread without a post from Brighttail or ezzinomilonga"
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Post by boffo on Oct 14, 2019 17:50:38 GMT -5
I wish I'd get messages about random things from dozens of people. All I have is a mailbox with dozens or even hundreds of messages all titled "Ranger" or "Rangering". Wannabe rangers are so uncreative when it comes to naming their messages to me.
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Post by ErixonStone on Oct 14, 2019 18:27:40 GMT -5
This thread might break the record for "most words in a forum thread without a post from Brighttail or ezzinomilonga" Someone didn't read back to page 1.
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Post by lions67 on Oct 14, 2019 18:38:03 GMT -5
This thread might break the record for "most words in a forum thread without a post from Brighttail or ezzinomilonga" Someone didn't read back to page 1. 🤣🤣
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Post by Generic_Casual on Oct 14, 2019 18:51:37 GMT -5
I'm only here to agree with Marty Tottenheimer. The DAM guys are a DAMN joke! In all seriousness...Terry is KILLING the GIF game! These comments are INCREDIBLE! I NEED MORE POPCORN! Also, surely you can all read this with sarcasm.
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Post by reebdoog on Oct 14, 2019 18:58:37 GMT -5
Me as the grizzled vet designer trying to fit in with the cool kid designer clique You're Joe Biden? Woah
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Post by reebdoog on Oct 14, 2019 18:59:40 GMT -5
This thread might break the record for "most words in a forum thread without a post from Brighttail or ezzinomilonga" I get a 2nd hand High when I read Ezzino posts. I smell like hash for the rest of the day.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2019 19:21:23 GMT -5
Is there a clique I can join that has a bunch of losers who spend way too much time playing a golf video game?
Wait a minute...
1200 hours logged on xbl. Surely I'm in!
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