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Post by Terry Grayson on Oct 14, 2019 14:06:43 GMT -5
SOMEONE GOT SOME SPLAININ' TO DO .. WES ROLLING UP IN HERE LIKE THIS
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Post by Terry Grayson on Oct 14, 2019 14:12:41 GMT -5
EVERYONE ELSE AWAITING FURTHER RESPONSES
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2019 14:16:39 GMT -5
Tott, I wasn't going to weigh-in because I didn't want it to feel like you were getting ganged up on, but I also hope to have a positive end to this situation as well. I've known the commenter personally for a couple years now, even spent time with him outside of TGCT, and all I can say is that he is not a mean-spirited person at all. I watched the VOD to see what the situation was, and I understand where you're coming from regarding the repeated comments about the green sizes, but as you've seen from many, many members of this community (myself included), we joke around about courses all the time. We have all had it happen to us, honestly we have. I can even remember one stream where Griff went all mother-effer on Terry Grayson's greens one time being so big and slopey. For me personally, when I was new here 3 years ago Griff and Reeb tore Devon Quarry Country Club to shreds, and after I had time to think about it, you know what? They were RIGHT about what they were saying. I'd like to think it made me a better designer. To be fair, you had reached out to me for advice early on in your project and I looked at your course photos and gave you my thoughts on some things, and then when I played your course and I came to that par 3, I saw that you took exactly zero of my advice. Look, I'm not upset about that, you are the designer and you get to make the choices you feel are right, but from that experience and now the defense of your greens (which are way too big and flat), I can see that you're not interested in hearing about the things that might help you improve your ideas, you're more interested in justifying the way you chose to do it. That's fine, but I will say that you're probably not going to receive much constructive criticism after that. I genuinely hope if given some time to reflect on your design and a look through the other rookie designs, you might recognize the differences being talked about. So much of being "good" at designing in this game is taking the ideas that you have and being able to represent them effectively on the "digital canvas." Once you achieve that, you'll be all set. Good luck in the contest (I am not a judge, so my comments here are completely impartial and have nothing to do with scoring).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2019 14:29:51 GMT -5
I think most of the courses around here suck End of the day if you create something and put it out on the internet be prepared for criticism. There are some top RCR designers who have taken criticism and they spend insane amounts of time on them (before LIDAR). sh%$ even LIDAR designers who put in a lot time have taken criticism. The other option? Do not watch the streams and keep doing what you are doing.
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Post by tottenhamordie on Oct 14, 2019 14:39:17 GMT -5
Tott. Bud. If you have any questions or concerns about constructive criticism from others I would refer you back to your very first post ever on this site.
yes, i already acknowledged that. thats why i dont get where the line is. are we just drawing the line wherever we need it? yes, i have been completely negative in other course threads, so if i just word my negative comments into little one liners, then thats ok? this was more about him being a judge, and just how it came off. he was foaming at the mouth to make jokes about my course, he literally couldnt wait. combine that with the fact he purposely says my name wrong, and i guess im just supposed to be be like "hyuk hyuk hyuk jokes lol ha ha ha ha". and when people message me, agreeing with me, but wont post here, just shows the culture around here. even guys with waaaaay more posts than me, who have clearly been around for a while. ok "bud"?
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Post by catcherman22 on Oct 14, 2019 14:40:26 GMT -5
But hey, defend him, not that it's a surprise at this point.... I know right... it's like he's part of some clique or something....
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Post by tottenhamordie on Oct 14, 2019 14:45:43 GMT -5
But hey, defend him, not that it's a surprise at this point.... I know right... it's like he's part of some clique or something....
right? that clique that totally doesnt exist when you all flock here to defend your boy. that clique that, by the messages i have, others totally dont know exists either. man what a wild idea......
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Post by Terry Grayson on Oct 14, 2019 14:46:19 GMT -5
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Post by CiB0RG on Oct 14, 2019 15:06:46 GMT -5
Ah okay, so there's a secret group of people outside of the clique that messages each other about the existence of the clique. So now there's an anti-clique. Do you guys call yourselves something cool like "The Rebellion" or "The Renegades"? Do you meet on Thursday nights to discuss how the clique has wronged you every week?
Ok enough joking around. Jokes aren't fun. It seems like the supposed clique only exists to those who feel like they are outside of it. Thus proving that "the clique" is just a made up thing for people who have done something to outcast themselves from the community. Now they have something they can rally behind when they feel like individuals are pushed to the side. The reality of the clique is that it's basically just all the well-standing members of the community that have mutual respect for each other. In other words, the clique is just people that are here having fun.
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Post by greyosprey on Oct 14, 2019 15:09:31 GMT -5
The best of the TGCTours community on display in this thread.
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Post by tottenhamordie on Oct 14, 2019 15:09:32 GMT -5
Ah okay, so there's a secret group of people outside of the clique that messages each other about the existence of the clique. So now there's an anti-clique. Do you guys call yourselves something cool like "The Rebellion" or "The Renegades"? Do you meet on Thursday nights to discuss how the clique has wronged you every week? Ok enough joking around. Jokes aren't fun. It seems like the supposed clique only exists to those who feel like they are outside of it. Thus proving that "the clique" is just a made up thing for people who have done something to outcast themselves from the community. Now they have something they can rally behind when they feel like individuals are pushed to the side.
these are people i have never talked to before today. but its funny, such clique doesnt exist but you try so hard to down play and and cast it aside hahahahaha. seems fishy to me but im just an outcast cry baby so what do i know......
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Post by Terry Grayson on Oct 14, 2019 15:11:19 GMT -5
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Post by Terry Grayson on Oct 14, 2019 15:13:46 GMT -5
THE DAM when anyone uses the word CLIQUE
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Post by CiB0RG on Oct 14, 2019 15:14:07 GMT -5
Ah okay, so there's a secret group of people outside of the clique that messages each other about the existence of the clique. So now there's an anti-clique. Do you guys call yourselves something cool like "The Rebellion" or "The Renegades"? Do you meet on Thursday nights to discuss how the clique has wronged you every week? Ok enough joking around. Jokes aren't fun. It seems like the supposed clique only exists to those who feel like they are outside of it. Thus proving that "the clique" is just a made up thing for people who have done something to outcast themselves from the community. Now they have something they can rally behind when they feel like individuals are pushed to the side.
these are people i have never talked to before today. but its funny, such clique doesnt exist but you try so hard to down play and and cast it aside hahahahaha. seems fishy to me but im just an outcast cry baby so what do i know......
I added this on as an edit to my last but I will post it again. The mystery of the clique explained: "The reality of the clique is that it's basically just all the well-standing members of the community that have mutual respect for each other. In other words, the clique is just people that are here having fun."
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Post by reebdoog on Oct 14, 2019 15:16:30 GMT -5
oh my gosh this is such a BORE. Anyone have something original to say or make folks laugh?
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