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Post by Ray on Oct 9, 2019 21:57:52 GMT -5
Don’t land it on a downslope on the fairway then.
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Post by OldSouled on Oct 9, 2019 22:11:15 GMT -5
Don’t land it on a downslope on the fairway then. I want to see your shot here
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Post by Ray on Oct 9, 2019 22:17:21 GMT -5
You’ve asked for advice, it’s been given. I’m not going to waste my time proving I’m right. Take the advice or don’t, it’s all the same to me.
For what it’s worth - I’d have lofted a 4i so it landed on the green, or lofted the 5i so it landed softer and didn’t bounce so hard forwards.
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Post by Generic_Casual on Oct 9, 2019 22:31:52 GMT -5
I'd play a lofted 4-iron, but a HUGE fade to be honest. This shot HAS to land on the green to be manageable.
Also, you have to bite the bullet sometimes and realize that you can't hit every single shot to within 10 feet.
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Post by OldSouled on Oct 9, 2019 22:40:42 GMT -5
I'd play a lofted 4-iron, but a HUGE fade to be honest. This shot HAS to land on the green to be manageable. Also, you have to bite the bullet sometimes and realize that you can't hit every single shot to within 10 feet. Good point. I’ve started carrying a 7 wood because I like fully lofting it in these cases now. (This specific shot was from last week and purely just an example) I hear a lot of people say they don’t play fades or draws. What does the fade do in this instance?
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Post by Generic_Casual on Oct 9, 2019 22:46:42 GMT -5
I'd play a lofted 4-iron, but a HUGE fade to be honest. This shot HAS to land on the green to be manageable. Also, you have to bite the bullet sometimes and realize that you can't hit every single shot to within 10 feet. Good point. I’ve started carrying a 7 wood because I like fully lofting it in these cases now. (This specific shot was from last week and purely just an example) I hear a lot of people say they don’t play fades or draws. What does the fade do in this instance? In MY mind, and depending on how much smoke I've had, a fade makes it land softer. As in real life. It seems like it does. No scientific data for me. Just what me eyes can see. I carry a 2H and 4H. I play fades/draws almost every shot. I've even fully faded a LW pitch with a slow backswing on purpose to kill distance. I hit P/F on most drives and I use fade almost always to keep it straighter. I use fade/draw to counteract wind off the tee and also to help with red slope lies. Edit: Also, the fade will make the ball roll out more diagonally as opposed to straight down the slope.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 22:47:18 GMT -5
I remember rangering that course and taking an unplayable after every shot to see if I could get it closer than 60 feet using different clubs. I think it ran to the back of the green no matter where I landed, some holes you just have to play for par and move on.
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Post by DoubtfulObelisk on Oct 9, 2019 22:51:35 GMT -5
This is an example. I guess I needed to land it 20-25 yards short instead of 10-15? You got unlucky on that one. Anytime you hit a full shot, the ball will bounce for a bit and then "spin" as it transitions to rolling along the ground. If the ball spins and starts rolling before it reaches the green, you will get a crazy amount of rollout if the ball then rolls onto the green. Combine that with a green that slopes away, and that's how you get a 5 iron shot that rolls out 40+ yards. You'd have been much better off if the ball had flown just a couple yards farther and bounced onto the green before spinning -- the rollout would've been much more realistic in that case.
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Post by OldSouled on Oct 9, 2019 23:06:20 GMT -5
I remember rangering that course and taking an unplayable after every shot to see if I could get it closer than 60 feet using different clubs. I think it ran to the back of the green no matter where I landed, some holes you just have to play for par and move on. Lol good to know! And taking my medicine and playing for par is something I need to get better at. I think playing easy courses and shooting -15 makes those good -8 rounds on tough courses feel like bad rounds. But you’re right, in tough conditions or tough courses identifying birdie and par holes is important.
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Post by OldSouled on Oct 9, 2019 23:07:28 GMT -5
Good point. I’ve started carrying a 7 wood because I like fully lofting it in these cases now. (This specific shot was from last week and purely just an example) I hear a lot of people say they don’t play fades or draws. What does the fade do in this instance? In MY mind, and depending on how much smoke I've had, a fade makes it land softer. As in real life. It seems like it does. No scientific data for me. Just what me eyes can see. I carry a 2H and 4H. I play fades/draws almost every shot. I've even fully faded a LW pitch with a slow backswing on purpose to kill distance. I hit P/F on most drives and I use fade almost always to keep it straighter. I use fade/draw to counteract wind off the tee and also to help with red slope lies. Edit: Also, the fade will make the ball roll out more diagonally as opposed to straight down the slope. I will have to start testing out fades and draws more. And using less than full swing more as well.
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Post by twoplanetsaway on Oct 10, 2019 12:27:01 GMT -5
To answer the original question, yes it does. But not for the same reasons I suppose. I enjoy the challenge, but like very high winds, it’s something that occurs far too often because it doesn’t mirror how real courses are set up in pro tournaments. I’d personally like to see courses start out softer/slower early on and gradually build up to firm/fast or very firm/very fast as the sun begins to beat the course up over the weekend. As for wind, unless we’re playing St. Andrews or maybe Portrush or something, I see no good reason why very high wind should show up ever.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2019 12:35:46 GMT -5
I typically set up set up my society soft then it gets harder as the week goes by. I usually only put high winds when the course is near the ocean. But if I do it is only for one round then the rest are set at dynamic which is default.
I do not go below 144 greens and will not use 187 if I think the course cannot handle it. Wish we had a slider for greens speeds. I would set it up around 170 ish most tournaments for I feel that speed is about perfect for most courses.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2019 2:14:26 GMT -5
I love all green speeds. I prefer undulating, slow greens compared to flat, very fast greens though as I find them more interesting. I do enjoy the challenge of all types of green speeds though.
So to answer your question: yes, very Firm/very fast all the time would get tiresome. And the best players can adapt to all types of conditions.
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Post by wellsa27 on Oct 11, 2019 3:20:41 GMT -5
Play with Masters, you'll find the tempo just changes things up!
I'd prefer a range of settings, but generally it's my swing that causes me issues, not the course.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2019 4:04:36 GMT -5
13 of 20 rounds this season in CC-Pro were played on a setting other than Very Firm. 19 of 20 rounds this season have been played on a setting other than Very Fast. Not to say that your perception of always playing on Very Firm/Very Fast isn't valid. Overall, soft or slow conditions are more rare. But statistically, it's definitely not always Very Firm, Very Fast. In fact, that exact combination hasn't been played at all on CC-Pro this season. Haha people’s memory is always sketchy. Players were moaning that TST were always using ‘slow’ or ‘moderate’ speed greens. The facts from the the 2018/19 season were that ‘fast’ was used the most: GREEN SPEEDS Unknown: 28 (17%) Very Slow: 0 (0%) Slow: 6 (4%) Moderate: 33 (20%) Fast: 66 (39%) Very Fast: 35 (21%) As for firmness, there was a fairly decent spread: Unknown: 28 (17%) Very Soft: 2 (1%) Soft: 19 (11%) Moderate: 42 (25%) Firm: 48 (29%) Very Firm: 29 (17%)
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