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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2019 22:29:58 GMT -5
Question for PGA players:
What do you consider fun when playing an event?
Do you prefer courses where you don't have to think off the tee and just smack it down the middle or something where you have to shape a shot off the tee or go with less than driver to guarantee finding the fairway? Do you want a birdie oppotunity every hole or be happy to make par and move on to the next hole? Lots of slopes making different tiers on greens or just 1 level sloped in 1 or 2 directions?
Just curious what everyones opinion is.
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Post by SMIFFYLFC79 on Sept 16, 2019 0:11:50 GMT -5
Don't like birdie fest's where par feels like a bogey, apart from that I just play whats in front of me.
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Post by rob4590 on Sept 16, 2019 7:41:13 GMT -5
I'm (un)happy either way - I am very consistently shiiiitttt on all types of courses....... My only request - never use official courses, as while the RCR's may be more accurate than the user created versions, they still play terrible thanks to HB's incompetence and their in-house designers inability to lay down textures accurately......
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Post by mde8965 on Sept 16, 2019 9:41:38 GMT -5
Don’t mind having to think off the tee. But absolutely hate a bunch of pot bunkers peppering the landing zones as a means of artificial difficulty. Best courses where thinking is needed and fun include dog legs, with potential short cut through trees that is not easy to hit, but big reward if done well. Also don’t have major issues with low branches somewhere in the first 50yards. So you better shape your shot (fade/draw) or de-loft.
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Post by unclevirt on Oct 15, 2019 14:38:51 GMT -5
I'm weird but I absolutely LOVE extremely hard courses. If a par feels like the score I should have received (due to difficulty), I'm happy with that. I'm not really a big fan of birdie fests like Smiffly. However, I'm also like this when I watch the PGA/Euro events IRL. I prefer seeing events where the scores are closer to par like in stupid US Open conditions. I guess that carries over into the game for me but I feel like I have to focus more when shots carry extreme difficulty and that allows me to be more engaged in the game. When it's driver down the middle, wedge to five feet, birdie...I lose focus pretty fast which opens a window for extreme frustration when I don't make that 5 footer.
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Post by killahbeaz132 on Oct 16, 2019 13:08:49 GMT -5
I like the harder courses as well. I think that the difficulty of really having to hit your spots and getting punished if you don't is really good. I also think that it can kind of level the playing field some between consoles because if you're on your spots anyone has a chance. Birdie fests where the cut ends up between -20 to -25 or something like that can be rough
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Post by GW_Hope on Oct 16, 2019 14:20:01 GMT -5
Not fun- pins on mounds and false fronts.
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Post by Generic_Casual on Oct 16, 2019 17:37:17 GMT -5
I consider HB allowing the "short" swing to be not fun at all. 😬😬
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Post by CuseHokie on Oct 27, 2019 12:07:15 GMT -5
I like variety.
I don’t like the limited options that schedulers have to completely manipulate how the course is intended to play. Example, 144s on a course that plays 180 is not natural.
Conversely, super pitched greens where 160s is needed to hold is not fun with 187s. I shouldn’t have to lag a 10 foot birdie for fear of it rolling off the green.
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Oct 27, 2019 17:40:25 GMT -5
I like variety. I don’t like the limited options that schedulers have to completely manipulate how the course is intended to play. Example, 144s on a course that plays 180 is not natural. Conversely, super pitched greens where 160s is needed to hold is not fun with 187s. I shouldn’t have to lag a 10 foot birdie for fear of it rolling off the green. Variety from tournament to tournament, yes.
But i seriously think we're getting too much variety within tournaments at the moment.
Two weeks in a row we've had one round that was essentially target practice and another round/two set to the hardest conditions - sometimes with pins that just weren't suited to them.
Some courses just aren't designed to be played with very firm/fast settings and yet there seems to be a law that says we can't go a week without them.
Courses don't have to be played about with constantly to present a challenge or even to "keep scores down"
ps - personally i'd throw the very firm setting in the bin full stop. Outside of a links course on a dry day that kind of trampoline bounce is just absurd
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Post by Kenny on Oct 27, 2019 19:27:32 GMT -5
I hate stupid elevation changes and generally don’t like courses that don’t feel realistic. I try not to moan too much but it feels like nearly every week I won’t like something, whether it be those elevation changes, stupid pin placements, bunkers bang in the middle of fairways or whatever, there’s always something!! Maybe it’s an age thing? Fun for me might not be fun for someone else but for me hard but fair and something that resembles a real golf course, not a walk up the Alps. Just play Magnolia every week and I’m good!!
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Post by Kenny on Oct 27, 2019 19:43:57 GMT -5
And forced lay ups off the tee...followed by an approach shot of around 270yds... hate that as well that’s no fun.
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Post by CuseHokie on Oct 27, 2019 21:14:27 GMT -5
I like variety. I don’t like the limited options that schedulers have to completely manipulate how the course is intended to play. Example, 144s on a course that plays 180 is not natural. Conversely, super pitched greens where 160s is needed to hold is not fun with 187s. I shouldn’t have to lag a 10 foot birdie for fear of it rolling off the green. Variety from tournament to tournament, yes.
But i seriously think we're getting too much variety within tournaments at the moment.
Two weeks in a row we've had one round that was essentially target practice and another round/two set to the hardest conditions - sometimes with pins that just weren't suited to them.
Some courses just aren't designed to be played with very firm/fast settings and yet there seems to be a law that says we can't go a week without them.
Courses don't have to be played about with constantly to present a challenge or even to "keep scores down"
ps - personally i'd throw the very firm setting in the bin full stop. Outside of a links course on a dry day that kind of trampoline bounce is just absurd
Agree with everything you said.
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Nov 18, 2019 20:27:38 GMT -5
Been pondering this since my whinging yesterday and think i've clocked why a lot of the designs at the moment are enraging me.
It's the table top greens. The ones that fall away in every direction everywhere you look and are usually way too small. They're everywhere.
They basically reward the perfect shot and only the perfect shot. If you're less than perfect (as most of us are most of the time) you end up in roughly the same spot - off the green chipping or flopping whether you were a miles off or a little bit off with your approach. The Very firm Very fast obsession exacerbates it by making the margin of error even tinier.
A good design in my view gives you a bail out somewhere, makes you choose how much risk you want to take on and provides a variety of outcomes - Within 10 feet if you get it right. 25 feet away if you get it slightly wrong or off the green if you really mess up for example.
If a pin is on a mound and there's no bail out because the target is 5 yards wide. it becomes a death or glory situation that is entirely about execution. And we all know that a select few have a distinct advantage in that area.
"Risk-Reward" only really works if the risk is a positive choice, not something forced upon you because there is no safe spot on the green to play for. I should be able to plod my way around hitting it to 20 feet on every green if that's how i want to play it, but i don't think that's even possible on most of the courses we play. There's usually a yellow ridge not far from the pin to take me to 50 feet on one side and a drop off the green on the other. The only option is to try and hit the sliver of green around the pin.
And it's all because "realistic" scoring is valued over providing a semi realistic round of golf. The outcome (nobody, even the flickers, will break -50. NOONE!) is being prioritised over the experience of the rest of the field. All in my humble opinion. Please do tell me i'm wrong & why....
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Post by Doyley on Nov 18, 2019 20:54:38 GMT -5
And it's all because "realistic" scoring is valued over providing a semi realistic round of golf. The outcome (nobody, even the flickers, will break -50. NOONE!) is being prioritised over the experience of the rest of the field. All in my humble opinion. Please do tell me i'm wrong & why.... The realistic scoring argument - I'm not sure where that originated from - maybe it was a few seasons ago, but I can say that I have not mentioned realistic scoring to our schedulers as a TGCT goal for as long as I can remember. It's not a goal - it's not even possible so there's no point in trying to push for it.
What I do ask for is a challenge for the best players in the game. Sometimes those challenges can push the boundaries for what people deem fair but for the most part it straddles the line just fine. That being said, I'm all for variety and know that when all is said and done you'll have that by the end of the season.
I don't think the last course was too difficult but since it was more fantasy it gets lumped into the unhappy streak of courses for some people. So the variety is there w/ regards to difficulty - but it's also there in regards to course type (realistic/fantasy) and with so many different possible combinations - it's possible to run into a streak of courses that just don't light your fire so the end result is negative feedback.
People that are fine with the setups generally don't post those thoughts as much as those unhappy, so you'll generally read the negative ones more often here.
Guess the long and short of it is - I don't push for realistic scoring and don't expect it from our schedulers on any tour. I've said that before, but it always pops up that our philosophy is realistic scoring (as much as possible in this game) so to newer members that may not have caught it the last time I said it, they can hear it from me directly.
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